Some real good HD DVD FUD

[stockstar1138]

HD-DVD and Blu-ray, A Comparison

Disc Capacity

* HD-DVD, 15 GB per layer, typically 30 GB per disc
* Blu-ray, 25 GB per layer, typically 50 GB per disc
* Advantage: Blu-ray

Maximum Bitrate

* HD-DVD, 36.55 mbps
* Blu-ray, 54 mbps
* Advantage: Blu-ray

Video Codecs

* HD-DVD, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, VC1
* Blu-ray, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, VC1
* Advantage: Neutral

Video Resolution

* HD-DVD, up to 1080p
* Blu-ray, up to 1080p
* Advantage: Neutral

Audio Codecs

* HD-DVD, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital, DTS-ES (all required in some form)
o DTS-HD High Res up to 3 Mbps and DTS-HD Master Audio up to 18 Mbps; Dolby Digital Plus up to 3 Mbps and Dolby TrueHD up to 18 Mbps.
* Blu-ray, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital*, DTS-ES* (*=required, all others optional, meaning they aren't supported on many players)
o DTS-HD High Res up to 6 Mbps and DTS-HD Master Audio up to 24.5 Mbps; Dolby Digital Plus up to 1.7 Mbps, and Dolby TrueHD up to 18 Mbps
* Advantage: HD-DVD

Network Enabled

* HD-DVD, Required, firmware updates, web-enabled features on disc, etc.
* Blu-ray, Optional
* Advantage: HD-DVD

Interactivity

* HD-DVD, uses HDi, built in persistent storage, two video decoders
* Blu-ray, Uses BDJ, other features are optional
* Advantage: HD-DVD

Durability

* HD-DVD, same as CD and DVD
* Blu-ray, special hard coating developed by TDK
* Advantage: Blu-ray

Studio Support

* HD-DVD, Paramount, DreamWorks, New Line, Universal, Warner, the Weinstein Company, Studio Canal
* Blu-ray, Sony Pictures/MGM/Columbia TriStar, Buena Vista, Disney/Touchstone/Miramax, Fox, Warner, Lions Gate
* Advantage: Neutral

Manufacturer Support

* HD-DVD, Toshiba, Onkyo, LG, Samsung, Thomson/RCA
* Blu-ray, Sony, Panasonic, Sharp, Philips, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, LG, Samsung, Thomson/RCA
* Advantage: Blu-ray

IT Support

* HD-DVD, Microsoft, Intel, HP, NEC, Toshiba, Sanyo
* Blu-ray, Apple, Dell, Benq, HP, LG, Panasonic, Philips, Pioneer, Samsung, Sony, TDK
* Advantage: Neutral

Player pricing

* HD-DVD, ~$230
* Blu-ray, ~440
* Advantage: HD-DVD

Titles available

* HD-DVD, ~320
* Blu-ray, ~320
* Advantage: Neutral



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once you read down to studio support is where it gets bad.

[CptGreedle]

Why post this? We already know this FUD... it's old FUD and has been around.
The funny thing is they say HD-DVD has better audio and yet the Mbps is higher on the BD... it seems to be a matter of opinion.

[CptGreedle]

they also missed New Line on Blu-ray.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

Why post this? We already know this FUD... it's old FUD and has been around.
The funny thing is they say HD-DVD has better audio and yet the Mbps is higher on the BD... it seems to be a matter of opinion.

the date on the website said it was just put up on oct. 26.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

they also missed New Line on Blu-ray.

they screwed up way more than that. buena vista is on both, studio canal supports blu-ray. they left sun microsystems, the base of all our interactivity off the list. they left denon off the list, and theres a lot more if you look close, they also left ventruer off for hd dvd.

[SS316SRV]

I like how they fail to mention that an HD DVD disc cannot use the Mpeg 4 codec, special features interactivity, and audio codecs on one disc. But that studio support is a little jacked up.

But this is nothing that we didn't know HD DVD fans just don't know the facts.

[CptGreedle]

Maybe they are reporting it new... but it has been around the internet...
Plus they said Blu-ray has the advantage.
Send them an email to update/fix/correct their statements.

[Luis_A51]

Besides Studio support (biggest load of crap ive seen in a while) the thing I find the next most offensive is audio. First I dont think theres a SINGLE HDDVD (might be wrong) with DTS-MA. And on top of that I doubt very much we would ever see an HDDVD with 18mbps DTS-MA.

Second, the % of HDDVDs with either PCM or TrueHD is much much lower than that of bluray.

[CptGreedle]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

they screwed up way more than that. buena vista is on both, studio canal supports blu-ray. they left sun microsystems, the base of all our interactivity off the list. they left denon off the list, and theres a lot more if you look close, they also left ventruer off for hd dvd.

buena vista is not on the HD-DVD side..... what are you looking at?

[CptGreedle]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

buena vista is not on the HD-DVD side..... what are you looking at?

They should post this if they want specs...

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

buena vista is not on the HD-DVD side..... what are you looking at?

sorry, my bad, my eyes must have played a trick on me. its still bs though.

[JJ_L]

They also left out the fact that the Dud player you get at 230 is not comparable to blu one you get . They are quick to point out that all the Audio Codecs are required on Dud but leave out the fact that the Blu ray is required to play 1080P vs the dud which is typically at 1080i.

Studio support being neutral.... hmmm Not quite.

[CptGreedle]

I sent them an email pointing most of these out, along with a link to my graph.
I hope they find this useful and aren't HD-DVD biased. I hope they do the right thing and update this correctly.

[TauRus]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

HD-DVD and Blu-ray, A Comparison
...
Studio Support

* HD-DVD, Paramount, DreamWorks, New Line, Universal, Warner, the Weinstein Company, Studio Canal
* Blu-ray, Sony Pictures/MGM/Columbia TriStar, Buena Vista, Disney/Touchstone/Miramax, Fox, Warner, Lions Gate
* Advantage: Neutral

Manufacturer Support

* HD-DVD, Toshiba, Onkyo, LG, Samsung, Thomson/RCA
* Blu-ray, Sony, Panasonic, Sharp, Philips, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, LG, Samsung, Thomson/RCA
* Advantage: Blu-ray

IT Support

* HD-DVD, Microsoft, Intel, HP, NEC, Toshiba, Sanyo
* Blu-ray, Apple, Dell, Benq, HP, LG, Panasonic, Philips, Pioneer, Samsung, Sony, TDK
* Advantage: Neutral

... once you read down to studio support is where it gets bad.

as far as Studio Support, like many already posted they missed a few names on Blu's list, but even without them there is no way you could say "Advantage" Neutral", that is unless you wear red glasses ...
The Studio support clearly is on Blu's side.

Next, Manufacturer Support: here first of all we need to take Thomson/RCA off the list for a couple of reasons - 1) RCA discontinued their only HD-DVD player (repackaged original Toshiba player) about a year ago and never mentioned they were going to release another model; 2) Thomson recently got rid of its electronics brand RCA (I believe they sold it to Audiovox), so Thomson is no longer in consumer electronics business altogether.
There are more manufacturers supporting Blu: just go to the BDA web site and check the list there.

IT Support: to begin with, i am not even sure why this section was called IT Support. Perhaps because they listed computer hardware manufacturers??? But whatever their thinking was, Stating "Advantage: Neutral" was just once again wrong. Advantage is overwhelmingly on Blu's side as well. Btw, you can add Toshiba on the Blu's side as well, after all Toshiba has been closely involved on developing the PS3 cell chip, and now they formed a joint venture with Sony to further their support!

What they are also missing is a section called "Consumer Electronics Industry support". And I guess I know why they missed that section - read below:

HD-DVD - none to speak of!
Blu-ray - supported by a number of CE manufacturers, e.g. Panasonic announced Blu-ray equipped car system, Hitachi released Blu-ray equipped HD camcorder, and the list will be only growing from there. The key point is that Blu-ray is not just for movies, but it is a platform that can be used for many different applications.

[Xerious]

red googles... lol

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by Xerious

red googles... lol

WHAT! Google supports HD DVD!!!

goggles?...

[HDBlu]

I was told "FUD" stands for "fear, uncertainty, doubt". I'm looking for how that applies to the posted article.

[tron3]

I just by to say I won't be coming by to comment on FUD threads. I get the FUDsies when I see that stuff.

[Oblivion]

Originally Posted by HDBlu

I was told "FUD" stands for "fear, uncertainty, doubt". I'm looking for how that applies to the posted article.

Well the original article is simply constructed of lies; like most HDM fights it was probably written by someone fearful, uncertain and doubtful that this beloved HD DUD format would win.

[kaliraver]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

they also missed New Line on Blu-ray.

And also Studio Canal which is now neutral.