1492: Conquest Of Paradise (German title: 1492: Die Eroberung des Paradies) 9/20/2012

[danny24]

Ridley Scott's vision of Christopher Columbus 1492: Conquest Of Paradise, German title 1492: Die Eroberung des Paradieses is set to be released on Blu-ray in Germany through Concorde home entertainment on August 9th, 2012. It has been confirmed that this Blu-ray will be region free. The films stars Gerard Depardieu, Sigourney Weaver, Armand Assante, Michael Wincott, Tcheky Karyo, Frank Langella and features a great score composed by Vangelis.

Release date: August 9th 2012
Studio: Concorde Home Entertainment
UPC: 4010324038739

source:
http://www.bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-fi...s-blu-ray-disc

artwork:

[toddly6666]

Does anyone think that this German Blu-ray will have better video/audio quality than the French Blu-ray? Concorde usually releases good quality blu-rays.

[Behemot]

Hopefully it will be 1080p (the French BD is 1080i) and with removable subtitles. (Concorde's BD of "The Mothman Prophecies" has forced German subtitles.)

EDIT:

There's a statement in German about the release, from Concorde, found here (under "Kommentare"):

Die Blu-ray Disc, die im Spätsommer dieses Jahres von Concorde Home Entertainment veröffentlicht wird, basiert auf dem Master aus Frankreich. Dort wurde eine Kinokopie abgetastet (ein sehr gängiges Verfahren), das im Anschluss noch aufwändig bearbeitet wurde, um die bestmögliche Qualität aus dem – angejahrten – Ausgangsmaterial zu erhalten. Eine weitere Bearbeitung des Materials seitens Concorde fand nicht statt.

Die französischen Einblendungen werden durch englische Einblendungen mit deutschen Untertiteln ersetzt, dies lässt sich technisch unproblematisch bewerkstelligen. Da es zu „1492 – Die Eroberung des Paradieses“, wie zu vielen älteren Filmen, keine deutschsprachigen so genannten Textless’ gibt, muss auf die englischen Einblendungen zurück gegriffen werden. Der Monolog zu Beginn des Films musste neu eingesprochen werden.

I don't speak German, so I cannot provide an accurate translation of this, unfortunately.

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by Behemot

Hopefully it will be 1080p (the French BD is 1080i) and with removable subtitles. (Concorde's BD of "The Mothman Prophecies" has forced German subtitles.)

The French Blu-ray has removable subtitles by the way.

[danny24]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

Does anyone think that this German Blu-ray will have better video/audio quality than the French Blu-ray? Concorde usually releases good quality blu-rays.

I would be a bit disappointed if it had the same exact video/audio quality as the France Blu-ray but it wouldn't surprise me at all. Not that the France Blu-ray isn't anything to brag about, it's the best the film has ever looked on home video so far period got to appreciate it. What bugs me is the total lack of a proper release in the USA, this movie deserves so much better.

[Leslie Dame]

Originally Posted by Behemot

Hopefully it will be 1080p (the French BD is 1080i) and with removable subtitles. (Concorde's BD of "The Mothman Prophecies" has forced German subtitles.)

EDIT:

There's a statement in German about the release, from Concorde, found here (under "Kommentare"):




I don't speak German, so I cannot provide an accurate translation of this, unfortunately.

It says Concorde will use the same French master. Passages in the movie that originally came with English translated subtitles but were replaced in French for the French release, will remain English with German sub-subtitles.

[danny24]

Originally Posted by Leslie Dame

It says Concorde will use the same French master.

Figures, at least this will be a region free Blu-ray release of the film which means it's likely to be imported and sold in the USA. The quality still should be very good, the France Blu-ray looks excellent.

[Jerome]

the german disc seems to include the 50 minutes extra I produced for the french disc.

[Behemot]

Anyone got this? I'm curious to whether it's 1080p and with optional subtitles instead of forced subs.

[Andrew Woo]

It's 1080p, region free, only German subtitles (optional). German and English audio in DTS-HD MA 5.1.

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by Andrew Woo

It's 1080p, region free, only German subtitles (optional). German and English audio in DTS-HD MA 5.1.

How would you grade the video and audio quality?

[Andrew Woo]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

How would you grade the video and audio quality?

I would say:
Video Quality 7,5/10
Audio 8/10

[tkbryant]

Ordered my copy tonight. Ridley Scott is my favorite director. God knows when this will get a U.S. release....this will have to do until then!

[SwissHD]

The German Disc uses the French Blu Ray master with better compression:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/139963/

Look especially at Screenshots 2 (left side of the Picture), Screenshot 3 (Background on the whole left side of the image. French has Artifacts that are gone on the German Disc) or Screenshot 8.

I did this comparison and if someone have doubts because of the JPG Compression i can assure you that the uncompressed PNGs looks the same. I always check this before i upload a comparison.

The disc is in correct 1080p 23,976 fps. The French BD was 1080i 25fps.
And it has real English 5.1 Sound. The French has only 2.0

BDInfo Scan of the German Disc:

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     1492 DIE EROBERUNG DES PARADIE
Disc Size:      41'272'662'966 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.4

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Length:                 2:35:51 (h:m:s)
Size:                   39'948'582'912 bytes
Total Bitrate:          34.18 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        28000 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         2036 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2036 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             German          2045 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2045 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           German          139.395 kbps                    
Presentation Graphics           German          1.067 kbps

The German Disc also changes the credits, scrolltext and all other things back to english. With one exception: The scrolltext before the end Credits start is in German now. The rest is complete english instead of French like it was on the French Blu Ray.

Here are some Pictures of this:

Movie Title French BD:


Movie Title German BD:


Scrolltext after the Credits French BD:


Scrolltext after the Credits German BD:


Text during the Movie on the French BD:


Text during the Movie on the German BD:



End Credits French BD:


End Credits German BD:


As you can see: The German BD is much more english friendly.
The only text in German is the Scrolltext right before the End Credits.

And btw: The Disc is Codefree!

I would recommend the Disc to everybody whos interested in the Movie.
Way better than the French Blu Ray disc because of the better encoding, 1080p instead of 1080i, the changes from french to english, 5.1 Sound instead of 2.0

[tkbryant]

Mine should be here in about 7-9 days. I hate ordering from Amazon/DE. Their shipping service is so much slower than Amazon UK. Really excited to finally have this over looked movie in proper HD.

[toddly6666]

Thanks for the screencaps. The differences seem pretty minor to not double dip, but yeah, if I was ordering this for the first time, I would get the German Blu. But I'm pretty happy with my French version for now.

[SwissHD]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

But I'm pretty happy with my French version for now.

And what about the English 5.1 Sound?
French has only 2.0

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by SwissHD

And what about the English 5.1 Sound?
French has only 2.0

That was one of my fears when I originally bought the French blu-ray, but it turned out that the 2.0 audio sounded pretty awesome and powerful!

I certainly would be happy to trade my French Blu-ray for the German Blu-ray. Anyone? Anyone?

[tkbryant]

Watched my copy last night. I'm pretty happy with the PQ/AQ. The 5.1 in particular is quite strong and featured more surround use than I would have thought. Having seen the screen shot comparisons, I would upgrade if I were you. The picture and sound are both superior to the French disc.

[Dubstar]

looks like postage from amazon.de has dropped since the last time I ordered through them, and me hopes delivery wont be as slow as well. oh and I ordered a copy yesterday - can't wAIt!!