The Successor Of Blu-ray (not really)

[Billz]

Guess it was bound to happen eventually...

http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2014/03/...lly-confirmed/

[bigbadwoppet]

Originally Posted by Billz

Guess it was bound to happen eventually...

http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2014/03/...lly-confirmed/

These people won't learn. It's clear that HD is still a niche format, as "normal" people these days prefer to watch movies in the smallest possible screen/definition. Only geeks like us obsess over extra features so for most movies, even a modest 25GB disc makes wonders compared to a dual layer dvd. What's the point of 300GB for home media? how many people are going to get displays big enough to make it commercially viable?
The perception is completely deranged. Basically, since BD hasn't become massive (thanks to the format war, the economy, etac), companies think that they're going to have a miracle by offering people the same thing yet again. CD's are in their fourth decade despite the fact that people have been announcing their death for at least half of that period. I for one think BD is as big as you can get without becoming weird. It makes me remember the pinnacle of technology back in the 80's (tv projectors, laser discs). They never caught on with the masses not necessarily because they were more expensive (I understand LD's were cheaper than tapes) but because they were too specialized to appeal to the general consumer in a world of automatic cameras, automatic transmission cars, etc.
It'll probably work as a professional format but if I were to predict which format will stick in time, I'd put my money on BD (unless, of course, studios force you to adopt this by eliminating the other and even then my prediction would be the end of HD home video rather than the adoption of the new standard.

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by bigbadwoppet

These people won't learn. It's clear that HD is still a niche format, as "normal" people these days prefer to watch movies in the smallest possible screen/definition. Only geeks like us obsess over extra features so for most movies, even a modest 25GB disc makes wonders compared to a dual layer dvd. What's the point of 300GB for home media? how many people are going to get displays big enough to make it commercially viable?
The perception is completely deranged. Basically, since BD hasn't become massive (thanks to the format war, the economy, etac), companies think that they're going to have a miracle by offering people the same thing yet again. CD's are in their fourth decade despite the fact that people have been announcing their death for at least half of that period. I for one think BD is as big as you can get without becoming weird. It makes me remember the pinnacle of technology back in the 80's (tv projectors, laser discs). They never caught on with the masses not necessarily because they were more expensive (I understand LD's were cheaper than tapes) but because they were too specialized to appeal to the general consumer in a world of automatic cameras, automatic transmission cars, etc.
It'll probably work as a professional format but if I were to predict which format will stick in time, I'd put my money on BD (unless, of course, studios force you to adopt this by eliminating the other and even then my prediction would be the end of HD home video rather than the adoption of the new standard.

totally agree with that..

[Chiefy]

This new format looks great in theory, but it will never fly, at least not in the short-term. Most people today feel that DVD looks "good enough", and now they're going to try to push this new technology that most cannot take advantage of? If and when 4K becomes the norm, maybe; not before.

Sadly, I feel the future of how movies and shows are delivered is going to be streaming, where you physically "own" nothing, and the studios have regained full control.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Chiefy

This new format looks great in theory, but it will never fly, at least not in the short-term. Most people today feel that DVD looks "good enough", and now they're going to try to push this new technology that most cannot take advantage of? If and when 4K becomes the norm, maybe; not before.

Sadly, I feel the future of how movies and shows are delivered is going to be streaming, where you physically "own" nothing, and the studios have regained full control.

How is it going to become the norm if it isn't introduced soon? One has to follow the other.

[pentatonic]

Guys, remember, this is for archival purposes with no present intent in making it the new media format of choice. For all we know, those early disks could cost even more than a similar sized HD.

And before there's any chance of this becoming mainstream, I sure hope another solution is finally agreed upon. We all know 4K is now, like 1080 HD ready TVs were, but before that becomes an interesting and solid solution with a clear tech advantage over BD, make it 5TB, who cares.

[Chiefy]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

How is it going to become the norm if it isn't introduced soon? One has to follow the other.

Prices of 4K TV's first have to fall to what 1080P now goes for. Programming to take advantage of it also has to become available for a reasonable cost. Then and only then, will this new and upcoming format have a chance.

It the technology isn't affordable, it's dead in the water like others before it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Chiefy

Prices of 4K TV's first have to fall to what 1080P now goes for. Programming to take advantage of it also has to become available for a reasonable cost. Then and only then, will this new and upcoming format have a chance.

It the technology isn't affordable, it's dead in the water like others before it.

Yep, but that's always the case. Bluray is hardly dead in the water is it?

[Chiefy]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yep, but that's always the case. Bluray is hardly dead in the water is it?

It would have been dead a long time ago, if prices had not come down to what they are now. Doomsayers say it's on a decline, and doomed to failure. They could not be more wrong. The one drawback is titles that probably will never come to Blu-ray, or only have limited production runs. I'll hold onto my DVD's for those titles, thank you very much. :-)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Chiefy

It would have been dead a long time ago, if prices had not come down to what they are now. Doomsayers say it's on a decline, and doomed to failure. They could not be more wrong. The one drawback is titles that probably will never come to Blu-ray, or only have limited production runs. I'll hold onto my DVD's for those titles, thank you very much. :-)

The people that say bluray is dead are the same people that declare the laptop dead after typing said article on a..................LAPTOP!

[Brian81]

I certainly can imagine an improvement with 4K media in the home environment. If I'm sitting 0.5 to 1.0 times the screen width away, I can see individual pixels. This is not far from the distance I prefer to sit while in actual theaters. When I wear glasses, and the screen edges fall about 1/3 of the way in on each lens. So there is definitely room for improvement that is noticeable at realistic viewing distances. Question is whether or not it is enough to make you want to purchase the titles another time.

Either way, I say bring it on... At the very least, it will force studios like Universal to create new masters, as those smeary sub-1080p messes can't be passed off as 4K. Even if it is ends up as a niche format.

I'll say that a top tier BD like LOA is 'good enough' for me - it looks great projected and I'm satisfied if that were the best to become available. But many titles don't even take full advantage of what the format is capable of, whether it is because of the master used or because of the encode.


I notice there's the swoosh on the 'Archival Disc" logo... so it's related to "Blu-ray Disc" (or at least trying to for marketing reasons), but it looks like it's a different disc format altogether. Not "4K Blu-ray Disc".

[Anthony P]

guys this is a data disk not a new movie distribution format. I would love to have a 300GB/1TB disk but at this point this is not it.

[Steedeel]

Already mentioned Anthony.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Already mentioned Anthony.

I know, but the discussion kept on going. I think this was worth repeating because many people don't grasp the difference. In order to have movie distribution you need replication or it will never work. How often did we get threads similar to this every time there was a useless article on HVD or multi-layer BDs?

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Chiefy

This new format looks great in theory, but it will never fly, at least not in the short-term. Most people today feel that DVD looks "good enough", and now they're going to try to push this new technology that most cannot take advantage of? If and when 4K becomes the norm, maybe; not before.

Sadly, I feel the future of how movies and shows are delivered is going to be streaming, where you physically "own" nothing, and the studios have regained full control.

No most as in almost all people will always prefer that they "own" what they buy. Streaming is replacing renting. NEVER the movies you want to "own"

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mredman

No most as in almost all people will always prefer that they "own" what they buy. Streaming is replacing renting. NEVER the movies you want to "own"

Not at the current prices it isn't. They need to lower prices before that happens. Here in England some HD rentals are £5.99 in HD. That won't wash, pure and simple.

[Aclar00]

Whatever happened to HVD and doesn't Blu-ray have the ability (theorectically?) to reach 1TB and I thought there were already 4 and 8 layer blus out there that reached 400GB?