Sony and Panasonic announces new 300 - 1TB disc format

[kristoffer]

Archival Disc. Might this be the key to 4K BD?
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/10/s...archival-disc/

[shane01]

It could certainly solve the issue of physical storage for 4K and other high-res media. But it always comes back to affordability. Home video has to be relatively affordable to catch on.

I don't see 4K leaving the professional or wealthy/hardcore collector's home and into the mainstream market. My mom is not going to buy Little Women on 4K Archival Disc to watch on her Samsung Curve anytime soon.

[Aclar00]

Whatever happened to HVD?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hologr...Versatile_Disc

and I thought Sony and other blu-ray folks were working on 1TB blu-rays and already had 4 and 8 layer Blus that could store 400GB?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Aclar00

Whatever happened to HVD?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hologr...Versatile_Disc

too expensive to make and the tech did not advance to the point where it could be useful
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and I thought Sony and other blu-ray folks were working on 1TB blu-rays and already had 4 and 8 layer Blus that could store 400GB?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

don't mix up theory and practice. And if you look at the specs, AD is an off shout of BD (and I am guessing they did not want to bother waiting for the BDA to add it to the specs).

It has the same optical parameters Wavelength λ=405 nm (nanometers), Numerical Aperture NA=0.85

the difference is that it has much smaller track pitch 0.225μm instead of the original 0.32µm due to what they call Crosstalk cancellation technology and PRML. In the end it is a BD with 50GB per layer and it is 300GB because it has 3layers/side and two sides

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

Archival Disc. Might this be the key to 4K BD?
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/10/s...archival-disc/

Kris, that much available space to have on hand would be nice as I guess one can never have too much capacity but, it is not a prerequisite for what most stakeholders currently have in mind for the upcoming 4K BD, even if one uses thee ole H.264 (rather than HEVC) for compression. Not to mention that despite advertising, if 1 in 5 Americans think Blu-ray is a sea creature (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=238083 ), I figure far more than that would think ‘Archival Disc’ is something located in a museum or perhaps your local community library rather than in your home so, let’s not cause strokes in the marketing folks.

Think more in terms of a key to applications those high capacity discs could have for professional use. This is one current ODA solution using Blu-ray discs – http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-ODSD77U/

Webinar spiel - http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/video/relat...chive_webinar/

[moviecriticsonline]

Interesting article about the future of Blu-ray, and why Archival Discs may not be used for movies.

http://beverlynews.blogspot.com/2014...-are-dead.html

[mredman]

Originally Posted by moviecriticsonline

Interesting article about the future of Blu-ray, and why Archival Discs may not be used for movies.

http://beverlynews.blogspot.com/2014...-are-dead.html

That article is full of holes and sales numbers for all the recent blockbusters tell a different story. Also the article forgot this :
http://www.twice.com/magazine-issue-...ray-way/109597

[moviecriticsonline]

Originally Posted by mredman

That article is full of holes and sales numbers for all the recent blockbusters tell a different story. Also the article forgot this :
http://www.twice.com/magazine-issue-...ray-way/109597

The article you mentioned talks Blu-ray, nothing new about it. Everyone already knows about 4K HD Blu-ray.

[img eL]

& this http://www.homemediamagazine.com/new...se-discs-32694

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by moviecriticsonline

The article you mentioned talks Blu-ray, nothing new about it. Everyone already knows about 4K HD Blu-ray.

I think his point is that the blog you first linked to is a bunch of BS fanboyism and to anyone with enough sense it is not all that interesting.

1) companies don't make anouncements on the "future" but only the past. Now AD might never be a home market movie distribution system but obviously at this time it is not and so obviously they would steer the discussion away from it.

2) The space argument is very nonsensical, you can make a file any size and any resolution it just depends how crappy of an outcome youy are willing to accept, and limited to.

3) The idea that there is no 4K BD yet means that there won't be 4K BD because they want to push digital is complete nonsense. if that was the case the BDA would not be working on 4K BD. The simple reality is that any format takes a bit of time since many decisions need to be made and many parties need to be involved. If the studios and CEs that run the BDA were not interested in 4k disks they would not be wasting both time and money coming out with a 4K format. But such discussion groups need to look at everything (what codec & and their max bitrates, what disk capacity, what other features are added......)

4)it shows a lack of general grasp in the situation when she describes BD as "begun to grab a foothold" when any new movies sells a very large % of copies on BD and no where even close as many in all the digital formats put together. (hell some weeks one movie on BD will sell more copies than all the movies in digital format will that week)

[moviecriticsonline]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I think his point is that the blog you first linked to is a bunch of BS fanboyism and to anyone with enough sense it is not all that interesting.

1) companies don't make anouncements on the "future" but only the past. Now AD might never be a home market movie distribution system but obviously at this time it is not and so obviously they would steer the discussion away from it.

2) The space argument is very nonsensical, you can make a file any size and any resolution it just depends how crappy of an outcome youy are willing to accept, and limited to.

3) The idea that there is no 4K BD yet means that there won't be 4K BD because they want to push digital is complete nonsense. if that was the case the BDA would not be working on 4K BD. The simple reality is that any format takes a bit of time since many decisions need to be made and many parties need to be involved. If the studios and CEs that run the BDA were not interested in 4k disks they would not be wasting both time and money coming out with a 4K format. But such discussion groups need to look at everything (what codec & and their max bitrates, what disk capacity, what other features are added......)

4)it shows a lack of general grasp in the situation when she describes BD as "begun to grab a foothold" when any new movies sells a very large % of copies on BD and no where even close as many in all the digital formats put together. (hell some weeks one movie on BD will sell more copies than all the movies in digital format will that week)

Your opinion is NOT INTERESTING.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I think his point is that the blog you first linked to is a bunch of BS fanboyism and to anyone with enough sense it is not all that interesting.

1) companies don't make anouncements on the "future" but only the past. Now AD might never be a home market movie distribution system but obviously at this time it is not and so obviously they would steer the discussion away from it.

2) The space argument is very nonsensical, you can make a file any size and any resolution it just depends how crappy of an outcome youy are willing to accept, and limited to.

3) The idea that there is no 4K BD yet means that there won't be 4K BD because they want to push digital is complete nonsense. if that was the case the BDA would not be working on 4K BD. The simple reality is that any format takes a bit of time since many decisions need to be made and many parties need to be involved. If the studios and CEs that run the BDA were not interested in 4k disks they would not be wasting both time and money coming out with a 4K format. But such discussion groups need to look at everything (what codec & and their max bitrates, what disk capacity, what other features are added......)

4)it shows a lack of general grasp in the situation when she describes BD as "begun to grab a foothold" when any new movies sells a very large % of copies on BD and no where even close as many in all the digital formats put together. (hell some weeks one movie on BD will sell more copies than all the movies in digital format will that week)

Exactly. Another day another article. Meanwhile, bluray enjoys record week!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by moviecriticsonline

Your opinion is NOT INTERESTING.

In my opinion, the fact that you find Anthony's opinion uninteresting is not very interesting to me.

[moviecriticsonline]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

In my opinion, the fact that you find Anthony's opinion uninteresting is not very interesting to me.

I can careless what you find interesting. It's irrelevant here. Move along troll.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by moviecriticsonline

I can careless what you find interesting. It's irrelevant here. Move along troll.

I'm not the one posting anti bluray articles (IMO) on a bluray forum.

[img eL]

Originally Posted by moviecriticsonline

I can careless what you find interesting. It's irrelevant here. Move along troll.

Why would you careless? Study: 66% of Video Consumers Use Discs

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by img eL

Why would you careless? Study: 66% of Video Consumers Use Discs

Surely he meant 'couldn't care less'? That's just careless IMO.

[waaimasjien.]

http://pioneer.jp/press-e/index/1758
So, Pioneer now has a 256GB BD, thats supposed to be readable by any current Blu-ray player with just a firmware upgrade. They too are stressing the archival purpose, no word on 4K. Why is that? Are read speeds not up to scratch?