The Lady From Shanghai March 2014

[Le Samourai]

http://www.amazon.it/Signora-Di-Shan...s=Orson+Welles

[blueman_Richie]

Does anyone know the specs for this and how it will compare to the TCM release in the US?

[gap]

I think if you read the Studio 4K thread, you might have a better idea of what we all know...

[Bucky]

welcome to the party

[blueman_Richie]

Okay, thanks gap!

[gap]

No worries. It's a release with a lot of interest, and not just because if the film itself as you'll see!!

[mspar009]

any group buys on this one ,-mi amici?

[Bucky]

Currently Unavailable.

[Erasmus Craven]

Originally Posted by Bucky

Currently Unavailable.

...as are a LOT of Studio 4K releases. Also, release for Macbeth (Welles) has ben delayed twice, now it's not available...

[duggie walker]

I ordered 4 discs and the other 3 have just shipped. I think the gig may be up for 4K!

[itsaboutHD]

It's available for pre-order now. I just put my hat in the ring

[Arkadin]

who knows how long studio 4k will last.
seems clear they are a pirate label, but they do have some great artwork I'll give 'em that, and great taste in their choices of bds to release.
I mean honestly who in their right mind could possibly think they could be legitimate with no website and a seeming willingness to release as many classic titles as possible as quickly as possible. Oh and some if not all are region free.
goes 100% against the way just about every legitimate distributor operates.
they do send a clear message that these films are wanted on bd in Italy and the rest of Europe.
so that's something positive imo.

[Pecker]

Originally Posted by Arkadin

I mean honestly who in their right mind could possibly think they could be legitimate...

Great straw man there.

You are right. If anyone disagrees they are suffering from mental illness, hence their arguments are not to be trusted.

None of which alters the previous points made, which I won't repeat.

Steve W

[gap]

Here we go again.

There's no point in trying Steve. Haven't you realised that Studio 4K are bad and anyone who buys their releases immoral? For shame!

[Arkadin]

well personally I could care less if people buy their titles or not. I'm not into making judgments of people based on whether or not they buy bootleg discs or not.
I don't give a crap.
For all I know this company has secured the "rights" to these films from the proper Italian rights holders and are simply using these NA discs as their source materials.
I mean I would think that would be a possible way to get the quality they are releasing, and still stay "legitimate". Just change the encode a little bit so it is not exactly the same and voila, a legal Italian blu-ray release. Seems like it would be really hard for any NA studio to get any action on these releases if that's what they have done. The fact that they can alter the "work", and still end up with the same end result would seem imo to make things very complicated legally assuming they secured the Italian rights.

[whitesheik]

Originally Posted by Arkadin

well personally I could care less if people buy their titles or not. I'm not into making judgments of people based on whether or not they buy bootleg discs or not.
I just don't give a crap.
For all I know this company has secured the "rights" to these films from the proper Italian rights holders and are simply using these NA discs as their source materials.
I mean I would think that would be a possible way to get the quality they are releasing, and still stay "legitimate". Just change the encode a little bit so it is not exactly the same and voila, a legal Italian blu-ray release. Seems like it would be really hard for any NA studio to get any action on these releases if that's what they have done. The fact that they can alter the "work", and still end up with the same end result would seem imo to make things very complicated legally assuming they secured the Italian rights.

I'll say it again - if they had secured the rights for any of these that are not in the public domain, then the copyright lines would reflect that and they do not. The End. No copyright line to rights' holders = bootleg. Period. No straw men, whatever that sorry cliche means. Also, if they had secured rights to use a transfer created by Criterion, a thank you or acknowledgement would be on the package somewhere - it is not. The End Again.

[Arkadin]

well I certainly don't disagree with any of that.
I've made clear what I think they are.
I was just offering a possible scenario whereby they may have been legitimate--though I wasn't even sure that would even work. It was just idle speculation for the heck of it.
the end.

[Det. Bullock]

Originally Posted by Arkadin

who knows how long studio 4k will last.
seems clear they are a pirate label, but they do have some great artwork I'll give 'em that, and great taste in their choices of bds to release.
I mean honestly who in their right mind could possibly think they could be legitimate with no website and a seeming willingness to release as many classic titles as possible as quickly as possible. Oh and some if not all are region free.
goes 100% against the way just about every legitimate distributor operates.
they do send a clear message that these films are wanted on bd in Italy and the rest of Europe.
so that's something positive imo.

They don't act very differently from other small italian labels, they just happen to make better quality discs, many like Mondo HE have also did very few realeases, promised others but didn't deliver, the only difference is that studio 4k outstretched themselves in putting preorders they couldn't meet on Amazon.it, the problem is that in Italy BDs still sell poorly, wouldn't be surprised if they still are waiting to sell enough of the already released discs to recoup the investement before proceding to publish the rest of the stuff.

[Pecker]

Originally Posted by Arkadin

well personally I could care less if people buy their titles or not.

Dear America... | David Mitchell's SoapBox - YouTube

Originally Posted by Arkadin

I'm not into making judgments of people based on whether or not they buy bootleg discs or not.

No, none at all. Apart from saying:

"...who in their right mind could possibly think they could be legitimate..."

Yes, apart from the judgement that anyone who disagrees with you, or even thinks there's a possibility you're wrong is 'not in their right mind', you make absolutely no judgements.

Steve W

[Pecker]

Originally Posted by whitesheik

No straw men, whatever that sorry cliche means.

No, it's not a sorry cliche, it's a way of pointing out a bad argument.

You take someone's position. You twist it into something it isn't - this is the 'straw man' you set up.

You try to discredit the person's position, not by attacking that position, but by attacking the straw man.

So, we have a company releasing Blu-ray Discs. Someone says they're bootlegs. Some people say they might be or might not be, and that if they are it's up to the companies holding the rights to (a) inform everyone they've not licinced the title out (b) contact Amazon to ley them know this and so they pull the offending title, and (c) take action against the bootleggers.

Then, instead of discrediting this quite reasonable position, people instead say that anyone who doesn't see it's a bootleg is somehow mentally incapable, or in bed with the bootleggers. They attack the straw man instead of the actual arguments being made.

It'd be a lot better if people stuck to the points raised, rather than turning it into an insult-driven slanging match.

Steve W