UV owners can be charged to access titles after 1 year!

[bhampton]

Hello,

I just saw this from the FAQ

Streaming*

Streaming UltraViolet™ movies and TV shows requires a high-speed Internet connection. UltraViolet™ streaming providers make your movies and TV shows available on demand on a variety of devices and services.

Streaming an UltraViolet™ movie or TV series from the provider you redeemed from comes at no extra cost above the original content purchase price, for at least one year after redemption. This no-extra-charge streaming will be offered to specific apps/devices, and is determined by the UltraViolet™ provider.

Streaming an UltraViolet™ movie or TV series more than a year after its redemption, or via streaming services other than the UltraViolet™ provider, may incur fees. Any such fees would be presented to the consumer in advance of streaming titles, with the option to accept the fees or decline using that streaming service.

Streaming availability may also be subject to restrictions that exist for certain periods of time, for certain titles.


After a year ... you may be asked to pay to view the titles you OWN!

Also the last sentence gives them to right to do just about anything.

I never really saw this before, it's bat shit crazy.

Future money I give to UV ---- $0.00!~
(I will still take the free copies that come with my Blus.)

[bhampton]

Someone posted this on AVS but I will go check the UVVU FAQ...

if it's legit --- man, game over for UV... Terrible service terms, horrible!

[chip75]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Also the last sentence gives them to right to do just about anything.

One of the reasons why people don't want digital copies to become the standard. Studios would love to impose play limits and time restrictions on physical media as well but they know the inevitable outcry would be a public relations nightmare.

[MifuneFan]

Sounds like more fear mongering from someone with an obvious agenda, but whatever..

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Sounds like more fear mongering from someone with an obvious agenda, but whatever gets you off I suppose

I checked there and the thing that says "more information" at the end of the sentence is not a link... I can't see where to get that "more information" .. stuff.

The part of the FAQ I posted comes from the studio "Village Roadshow" ... .. that's all I know so far but looking into it for more information.

If these digital copies that you own forever can be resold to you after a year, I consider that a big deal.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I checked there and the thing that says "more information" at the end of the sentence is not a link... I can't see where to get that "more information" .. stuff.

And I can't find any of the information you poste (with zero sources btw) on the official sites. My information comes directly from UVVU.com. Feel free to point out where we can find your information

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I checked there and the thing that says "more information" at the end of the sentence is not a link... I can't see where to get that "more information" .. stuff.

The part of the FAQ I posted comes from the studio "Village Roadshow" ... .. that's all I know so far but looking into it for more information.

If these digital copies that you own forever can be resold to you after a year, I consider that a big deal.

Village roadshow is the only source I found when googling too. Seems like something you should have mentioned in the OP no? It's not coming directly from UVVU (from what I can see) so it shouldn't be used so to generalize anything. UVVU says your rights don't expire

[bhampton]

I didn't know it was from Village roadshow ... I went to investigate myself.

Also the UVVU FAQ offers "more information" without a way to see that "more information"

As for your comments about me getting off and having an agenda...I believe you are confused so let me clarify if I can..

I have 1200 Blus and 200 or so titles in UV and the same in iTunes... Mostly from free copies that came with the blus.

I adore Blu but have some reservations about the inevitable "future" people often refer to without physical media ... Given all that ... So what? I would say I have a valid perspective instead of an agenda but that's how I see it.

I don't know why that should bother you or anyone actually.

[MifuneFan]

Also this has nothing to do with UV copies themselves, but providesr of UV's. So places like VUDU Flixster, Cinemanow, Target Ticket, etc...It's in there to cover bases, more than anything. The odds of any of these providers charging a fee just to access the UV's you have rights to are slim to none.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Also this has nothing to do with UV copies themselves, but providesr of UV's. So places like VUDU Flixster, Cinemanow, Target Ticket, etc...It's in there to cover bases, more than anything. The odds of any of these providers charging a fee just to access the UV's you have rights to are slim to none.

Thats ... a guess ... not even quite a prediction. The whole notion is new. UV's own website claims beta... nothing is all to clear yet.

I'm going to email UVVU about the stuff Village Roadshow posted for clarification.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I didn't know it was from Village roadshow ... I went to investigate myself.

Also the UVVU FAQ offers "more information" without a way to see that "more information"

As for your comments about me getting off and having an agenda...I believe you are confused so let me clarify if I can..

I have 1200 Blus and 200 or so titles in UV and the same in iTunes... Mostly from free copies that came with the blus.

I adore Blu but have some reservations about the inevitable "future" people often refer to without physical media ... Given all that ... So what? I would say I have a valid perspective instead of an agenda but that's how I see it.

I don't know why that should bother you or anyone actually.

I've seen tons of posts from you where you really hyperbolize the situation. You have an agenda, the same way Fox News often has an agenda. Deny it all you want, the proof is in your posts and the way you really slant the situation. I'm not sure why the existence of UV should bother you as much as it does.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I've seen tons of posts from you where you really hyperbolize the situation. You have an agenda, the same way Fox News often has an agenda. Deny it all you want, the proof is in your slants and posts.

Ok... I will look up Hyperbolize and get back to you on that.

For the sake of everything lets just go with I do have an agenda ..whew... ok .. I feel a lot better, how bout you? Having an agenda isn't so bad ... you make it sound bad,.. seems ok to me.

In the mean time I emailed UV about the FAQ posted by Village Roadshow and will share any information I receive back from them.

-Brian

[chip75]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Sounds like more fear mongering from someone with an obvious agenda, but whatever..

I think the worry is that even if providers don't enforce these restrictions (or ask for fees) they are entitled to do so. I don't think anyone wants to get to the point where your device asks you for licence fees before you play a product you've already paid for no matter what format the material is in.

As to the original quotes, I think they're part of the UK FAQ or Terms and Conditions, as I've read them before.

[bhampton]

Having time to reflect on this "agenda" notion... I'm kind of glad I have one now. I don't think anyone ever accomplished anything without one.

[bhampton]

This topic made me realize something. I have rights to ultraviolet movies. To view them I ask for service from a third party service provider such as vudu, flixster, target ticket, cinema now.

Those third parties have rules commonly called terms of service. These rules often change and you have to agree to them to use the service.

To assume future terms of service will always favor the end user is a bit daft.

[Zu Nim]

The relevant section from the UV Demystified FAQ states it clearly:

• UltraViolet retailers are required to give you no-cost unlimited streaming the first year. After that they may or may not charge for additional streams.
• UltraViolet retailers are required to give you three no-cost downloads in the first year after purchase. (After that they are allowed to charge for more downloads or continue to provide them at no additional cost. It's up to them.)
• Once you download an UltraViolet file you can play it forever (as long as your player keeps working) without being connected to the Internet.
• You can copy the file to any other UltraViolet player you own. (In case it's not blindingly obvious, there's no charge for copying.)
• Look at all the other services today that let you buy online movies: iTunes, CinemaNow, Vudu, Xbox/Zune, PlayStation Network, to name a few. Does CinemaNow charge for each download? No. Does Vudu charge for each stream? No. Could they change their terms and start charging you? Yes, they could. Where you personally land on the "corporations are evil" spectrum will influence your opinion of how likely it might be that every UltraViolet participant will charge for the fourth download or the second year of streaming.

(I'm quoting that FAQ because it concurs with the UV licensing agreements and I completely agree with how the section is written.)

You are absolutely right that they can charge for streaming after a year. For competitive reasons, I have absolutely no reason to think this will happen. I suspect that it's language to protect retailers from being locked into what they might initially been concerned was an ongoing expense without any way to recoup. But UV is still so small and bandwidth is so cheap that there's no reason for them to need to charge. It would smother UV while it's barely got its legs under it.

[bhampton]

I read hbo go publicly stated to go ahead and share login info because they want to grow user numbers.

When third party service providers feel popular enough they may go to subscription based services

[Zu Nim]

I'm 100% sure HBO didn't encourage anyone to share their login info with non-subscribers. But they have a more nuanced take on piracy than some other content outlets.

And yes, if UV and iTunes swapped market positions, some UV retailers might feel their oats and try to charge. But UV is still very small, and I'm sure that the hope is that with enough UV retailers most (if not all) would not charge for competitive reasons. If retailers want to charge, I think we'll start seeing that after CFF is released. In the meantime...

[steve_dave]

We don't own our iTunes music libraries either, they are licensed to a single user and can not be transferred. Bruce Willis found this out when he tried to include his library in his will. However, Apple doesn't stop you from providing the new user your user name and password.

As for that provisio, it is a fail safe in case a retailer decides they hate customers and want to charge them for access. Its not going to happen because no retailer is that dense,

[bhampton]

Did that kid tell Bruce he's already dead?