Marvel and DC movie storyline plans: Post Civil War, Thanos and Darkseid? - Blu-ray Forum

toddly6666 · 03-30-2016, 11:30 PM

What storylines do you think DC and Marvel movies will focus on when they are all done with the Civil War, Thanos and Darkseid storylines?

Besides the X-men movies which have been doing a phenomenal job adapting famous X-Men storylines, what other storylines do you think the Justice League and Avengers characters should focus on next?

It would be great if DC adapts Alex Ross' Justice and Kingdom Come next. Even as they are making an animated Kingdom Come movie, it shouldnt prevent them from making a live-action version. They did the same with The Dark Knight Returns.

I'm a bit afraid that DC may focus on making movies revolved around the Crisis on Multiple Earth books - as epic as they may be, they were just all over the place and sloppy, and there is certainly no need to make a story around the sacrifice of Flash. The same goes for Marvel adapting Secret Wars. While it may be fun to have a lot of characters together on film, many of these comic book versions were just gimmicky and had storylines which were nothing special.

Regarding Spiderman, I think the Sinister Six and the Symbiote storylines should be avoided - also too gimmicky. With Spider-Man, I would focus next on Kraven or Kingpin storylines.

ThatOneGuy · 03-30-2016, 11:41 PM

I'll let them take me where they want me to go but on the Spider-Man topic, please give me a proper live action Venom!

danman227460 · 03-30-2016, 11:57 PM

With DC, I can see them shift their focus to Brainac. I don't know any other villain big enough to call on the JL again. Unless they do Crisis on Two Earths or pit them against each other like Flash Paradox.

With Marvel, sadly no where. They don't own the two biggest villain in Galactus or Dr. Doom to use. And they can't use anything from the X-Men universe. So they will have to keep finding obscure villains or have to reboot the main films once the current cast goes away.

About Kingpin. Who does his rights belong to? Do they have a deal with Sony like they do with Fox where they can share character names? Because unlike Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver, you can't explain Kingpin's power away. He is just a very strong human. Maybe that is why they can use him because he is a human.

Megalith · 03-31-2016, 12:10 AM

Marvel films have villains?

Rodney-2187 · 03-31-2016, 12:10 AM

I love how Netflix has handled Daredevil and Jessica Jones. I'll always want to see the big spectacle blockbusters, but I love how in depth a series can get into a character. They could give me a Netflix series on any Marvel characters. Flash, Arrow, and Gotham are pretty decent, but I'd like to see what a streaming service would do with a few DC characters.

Doctor Jack · 03-31-2016, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by danman227460

With DC, I can see them shift their focus to Brainac. I don't know any other villain big enough to call on the JL again. Unless they do Crisis on Two Earths or pit them against each other like Flash Paradox.

With Marvel, sadly no where. They don't own the two biggest villain in Galactus or Dr. Doom to use. And they can't use anything from the X-Men universe. So they will have to keep finding obscure villains or have to reboot the main films once the current cast goes away.

About Kingpin. Who does his rights belong to? Do they have a deal with Sony like they do with Fox where they can share character names? Because unlike Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver, you can't explain Kingpin's power away. He is just a very strong human. Maybe that is why they can use him because he is a human.

Marvel will go nowhere? Decades of lore to pull from. They have stated they have many phases planned out. You honestly think they don't have a plan? Thanos is powerful but he isn't the end all, be all villain of the Marvel universe. Neither is Galactus and Dr. Doom. Plus, Galactus and Doom will be back at Marvel sooner or later.

toddly6666 · 03-31-2016, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by danman227460

With DC, I can see them shift their focus to Brainac. I don't know any other villain big enough to call on the JL again. Unless they do Crisis on Two Earths or pit them against each other like Flash Paradox.

With Marvel, sadly no where. They don't own the two biggest villain in Galactus or Dr. Doom to use. And they can't use anything from the X-Men universe. So they will have to keep finding obscure villains or have to reboot the main films once the current cast goes away.

About Kingpin. Who does his rights belong to? Do they have a deal with Sony like they do with Fox where they can share character names? Because unlike Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver, you can't explain Kingpin's power away. He is just a very strong human. Maybe that is why they can use him because he is a human.

Is it really looking dire for Marvel - I thought they have rights to many supervillains - especially Avengers supervillains. They can function without Doom and Galactus. Civil War will make tons of money so wont that continue Sony and Marvel's successful partnership of sharing Spiderman?

Regarding Marvel's tv characters (Daredevil, Kingpin, Etc) - those have different rights for tv? Who owns Daredevil and Kingpin for movies?

Is Venom really that popular though? Im guessing they could go the Deadpool route - if it's violent and funny, the movie can do well. Venom does not need to go dark and serious. While Eddie Brock is a serious character, when he's Venom he is unintentionally funny - like a bad-ass violent version of Spiderman.
It seems that the best way to a successful superhero movie is balancing the violent stuff with humor as we have seen with the Avengers movies, Guardians, Ant-Man and Deadpool.

dcfan88 · 03-31-2016, 01:07 AM

On the Marvel side I think Guardians could be the main focus post Infinity Wars. Most series are getting trilogies and Guardians will only have two prior to Infinity Wars. Also I think the actors have mentioned doing solo spinoff movies too.

Though I doubt this will happen, if Guardians isn't main focus I'd like to see the Defenders become the main focus. I doubt this will happen though because I think the chances of any Marvel tv characters INCLUDING NETFLIX SHOWS appearing on the big screen are microscopic.

Unlike Marvel, those in contract with DC aren't in 5+ movie contracts. So post Justice League we could see some lesser known characters getting films. Also not sure who reads DC material but there's also Justice League of America, JL United, JL Dark, and Justice Society.

Given the poor critical reception BvS is getting (I loved the movie BTW) I think WB wants to see how Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, and Justice League do and decide what to do post Cyborg/Green Lantern

toddly6666 · 03-31-2016, 01:27 AM

I hate to say it but it seems that DC doesnt have good comic book storylines that can be achieved in one film? Besides origin films, can anyone name a DC comic book that has a really good story for its main character that can be done in one film - any for Wonder Woman, Flash, Cyborg, Green Lantern? Batman is the only character that seems to have the highest percentage of good comic books that can be adapted as one movie rather than trilogy.

It seems that audiences are bored of origin stories and just want to get to the meat. Of all the DC comic books i've read, it has seemed like the team stories (Justice League, Justice Society) have the better stories.

DC seems to have a better shot with the more obscure characters like Suicide Squad or Lobo, etc. The big players seem to only function well when they are all together.

Furthermore, there actually arent too many superheroes that work by themselves such as Spiderman and Batman. Once you head away from Batman and Spiderman, those other superhero characters work best as teams - in the comic books and the movies. So people thinking that DC has to copy Marvel with solo films is actually unnecessary because their main players work better as teams. The whole idea that another Green Lantern movie focused on many Green Lantern characters is way more interesting than focusing on just Hal Jordan or just John Stewart.

Of all the DC big players, I think Superman can still have a few more solo films if they focus on Bizarro or Mr Mxyplixit. Superman still has some interesting villains which dont need the Justice League. Brainiac is good but I would use him for Justice League not solo Superman.

danman227460 · 03-31-2016, 03:10 AM

I am talking about team ups here though and not solo movies. Solo movies will do fine but where do you find a conflict big enough after Thanos to call on the Avengers again? They can't use mutants or don't own the rights to Fantastic Four yet. Even then, I think Fox still owns the rights to Galactus and Silver Surfer. They are moving towards other teams like Defenders, Guardians and Inhumans but I am not sure if we will see another Avengers movie after this phase. There might be a new Avengers team since their team doesn't always have the same members but when do you start calling a team Avengers and not just Guardians plus Hulk?

About DC, their issue is longevity. They can sustain themselves in the short term with JL and solo movies but once they burn those out, do they have the talent and balls to do solo movies of more obscure characters? Marvel went out there with Guardians and Ant Man, can WB say let's do a Lobo movie and do it right? Deadpool might make it easier for them to say maybe but do they have a team in place that can make it happen?

I do not want to see them rehash Batman and Superman again after their current slate has run dry or failed to live up to expectations.

I would like to see Flash Paradox, Tower of Babel and Teen Titans done on the big screen.

About TV rights. I know Marvel owns X-Men TV rights but not their movie rights. That is why when Fox announced Hellfire and Legion, people speculated a deal would be worked out for them to gain back FF4 in return for getting those TV shows made. All speculation. So I don't know if some characters full under both or one or how they are split.

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Marvel will go nowhere? Decades of lore to pull from. They have stated they have many phases planned out. You honestly think they don't have a plan? Thanos is powerful but he isn't the end all, be all villain of the Marvel universe. Neither is Galactus and Dr. Doom. Plus, Galactus and Doom will be back at Marvel sooner or later.

matirocker · 03-31-2016, 01:26 PM

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It would be great if DC adapts Alex Ross' Justice and Kingdom Come next. Even as they are making an animated Kingdom Come movie,

What?! There hasn't been any news on that... nothing announced after The Killing Joke so far... where did you get that?

reaperx187 · 03-31-2016, 01:53 PM

I think that they should do a proper Venom or Carnage and maybe possible with Kraven or The Kingpin but there's so much you can do with storylines and also different direction's you can go that's so great with comic book's in general.

Gaius Marius · 03-31-2016, 04:05 PM

With Baron Zemo in Civil War, I would love to see the Masters of Evil for Avengers. Have Zemo slowly recruit Avengers villains (provided they don't kill them off....), to take on the Avengers as a team.

Could use the tagline Earth's Mightiest Villains

Zorkel567 · 03-31-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by toddly6666

Regarding Marvel's tv characters (Daredevil, Kingpin, Etc) - those have different rights for tv? Who owns Daredevil and Kingpin for movies?

Marvel owns Daredevil and Kingpin for both movies and television. Fox previously had the rights, but let them lapse.

imsounoriginal · 03-31-2016, 04:31 PM

If Marvel can get F4 back, the natural post-Thanos choice is Galactus. But that's a big If.

toddly6666 · 03-31-2016, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by matirocker

What?! There hasn't been any news on that... nothing announced after The Killing Joke so far... where did you get that?

I thought that Kingdom Come was announced as one of next DC animated films? Maybe just a rumor?

borgmatrix · 03-31-2016, 05:37 PM

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I thought that Kingdom Come was announced as one of next DC animated films? Maybe just a rumor?

I'd love to see it, but I haven't heard anything about it.

matirocker · 03-31-2016, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by toddly6666

I thought that Kingdom Come was announced as one of next DC animated films? Maybe just a rumor?

It wasn't announced. And I didn't hear the rumor... not saying there wasn't one, but officially, there's nothing announced after The Killing Joke as of now

dcfan88 · 03-31-2016, 11:02 PM

On the DC side of things it nearly all but confirmed that Green Lantern won't be around until Justice League 2.
One of the biggest GL villains is the anti monitor and there have been times the Justice League has had to fight anti monitor.

As cheesy and overdone (in comics and animation) as it is both marvel and dc could have avengers (marvel) or justice league (DC) fight a "Super villain team up"

sandman slim · 03-31-2016, 11:26 PM

Kang the Conquerer isn't really well known, but neither were the Guardians, and that turned out okay. And introducing some time travel could spice things up a bit.

Galactus, of course, if they can get the rights back.

And Marvel could seriously expand the Guardians sub-universe into an entirely new franchise. Sequels, solo films for Star Lord and Rocket, the Kree/Skrull war (again, if they get the FF rights back), a Nova Corps movie.. the cosmic films alone could keep going for decades.

The main things I'd like to see from DC are a Plastic Man movie, a Vertigo universe (Sandman, Spectre, etc.), and the Legion of Super Heroes.

And the ultimate fanboy wish would have to be some form of Marvel vs. DC crossover film/series.

03-30-2016, 11:30 PM	#1
toddly6666 Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Hong Kong Home Theater Gallery:20 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:1441 DVD collection:31 Blu-ray reviews: 290 Trading Score:61	Marvel and DC movie storyline plans: Post Civil War, Thanos and Darkseid? What storylines do you think DC and Marvel movies will focus on when they are all done with the Civil War, Thanos and Darkseid storylines? Besides the X-men movies which have been doing a phenomenal job adapting famous X-Men storylines, what other storylines do you think the Justice League and Avengers characters should focus on next? It would be great if DC adapts Alex Ross' Justice and Kingdom Come next. Even as they are making an animated Kingdom Come movie, it shouldnt prevent them from making a live-action version. They did the same with The Dark Knight Returns. I'm a bit afraid that DC may focus on making movies revolved around the Crisis on Multiple Earth books - as epic as they may be, they were just all over the place and sloppy, and there is certainly no need to make a story around the sacrifice of Flash. The same goes for Marvel adapting Secret Wars. While it may be fun to have a lot of characters together on film, many of these comic book versions were just gimmicky and had storylines which were nothing special. Regarding Spiderman, I think the Sinister Six and the Symbiote storylines should be avoided - also too gimmicky. With Spider-Man, I would focus next on Kraven or Kingpin storylines.

03-31-2016, 01:07 AM	#8
dcfan88 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2016 Location:Virginia, U.S.A. 4K collection:203 Blu-ray collection:3013 DVD collection:359 Digital collection:1295 Blu-ray reviews:3	On the Marvel side I think Guardians could be the main focus post Infinity Wars. Most series are getting trilogies and Guardians will only have two prior to Infinity Wars. Also I think the actors have mentioned doing solo spinoff movies too. Though I doubt this will happen, if Guardians isn't main focus I'd like to see the Defenders become the main focus. I doubt this will happen though because I think the chances of any Marvel tv characters INCLUDING NETFLIX SHOWS appearing on the big screen are microscopic. Unlike Marvel, those in contract with DC aren't in 5+ movie contracts. So post Justice League we could see some lesser known characters getting films. Also not sure who reads DC material but there's also Justice League of America, JL United, JL Dark, and Justice Society. Given the poor critical reception BvS is getting (I loved the movie BTW) I think WB wants to see how Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, and Justice League do and decide what to do post Cyborg/Green Lantern Last edited by dcfan88; 03-31-2016 at 01:14 AM.

03-31-2016, 01:27 AM	#9
toddly6666 Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Hong Kong Home Theater Gallery:20 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:1441 DVD collection:31 Blu-ray reviews: 290 Trading Score:61	I hate to say it but it seems that DC doesnt have good comic book storylines that can be achieved in one film? Besides origin films, can anyone name a DC comic book that has a really good story for its main character that can be done in one film - any for Wonder Woman, Flash, Cyborg, Green Lantern? Batman is the only character that seems to have the highest percentage of good comic books that can be adapted as one movie rather than trilogy. It seems that audiences are bored of origin stories and just want to get to the meat. Of all the DC comic books i've read, it has seemed like the team stories (Justice League, Justice Society) have the better stories. DC seems to have a better shot with the more obscure characters like Suicide Squad or Lobo, etc. The big players seem to only function well when they are all together. Furthermore, there actually arent too many superheroes that work by themselves such as Spiderman and Batman. Once you head away from Batman and Spiderman, those other superhero characters work best as teams - in the comic books and the movies. So people thinking that DC has to copy Marvel with solo films is actually unnecessary because their main players work better as teams. The whole idea that another Green Lantern movie focused on many Green Lantern characters is way more interesting than focusing on just Hal Jordan or just John Stewart. Of all the DC big players, I think Superman can still have a few more solo films if they focus on Bizarro or Mr Mxyplixit. Superman still has some interesting villains which dont need the Justice League. Brainiac is good but I would use him for Justice League not solo Superman. Last edited by toddly6666; 03-31-2016 at 01:37 AM.

03-30-2016, 11:41 PM	#2
ThatOneGuy Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jan 2015 Location:Florida 4K collection:11 Blu-ray collection:651 DVD collection:71 Digital collection:44 iTunes collection:12	I'll let them take me where they want me to go but on the Spider-Man topic, please give me a proper live action Venom!

03-30-2016, 11:57 PM	#3
danman227460 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Canada 4K collection:908 Blu-ray collection:1095 Trading Score:59	With DC, I can see them shift their focus to Brainac. I don't know any other villain big enough to call on the JL again. Unless they do Crisis on Two Earths or pit them against each other like Flash Paradox. With Marvel, sadly no where. They don't own the two biggest villain in Galactus or Dr. Doom to use. And they can't use anything from the X-Men universe. So they will have to keep finding obscure villains or have to reboot the main films once the current cast goes away. About Kingpin. Who does his rights belong to? Do they have a deal with Sony like they do with Fox where they can share character names? Because unlike Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver, you can't explain Kingpin's power away. He is just a very strong human. Maybe that is why they can use him because he is a human.

03-31-2016, 12:10 AM	#4
Megalith Special Member Member since:Jan 2007	Marvel films have villains?

03-31-2016, 12:10 AM	#5
Rodney-2187 Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jan 2014 4K collection:31 Blu-ray collection:416 DVD collection:149 MA collection:716 Digital collection:366 iTunes collection:762 Prime collection:729 Trading Score:82	I love how Netflix has handled Daredevil and Jessica Jones. I'll always want to see the big spectacle blockbusters, but I love how in depth a series can get into a character. They could give me a Netflix series on any Marvel characters. Flash, Arrow, and Gotham are pretty decent, but I'd like to see what a streaming service would do with a few DC characters.

03-31-2016, 01:53 PM	#12
reaperx187 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Newark, DE 4K collection:221 Blu-ray collection:1477 DVD collection:77	I think that they should do a proper Venom or Carnage and maybe possible with Kraven or The Kingpin but there's so much you can do with storylines and also different direction's you can go that's so great with comic book's in general.

03-31-2016, 04:05 PM	#13
Gaius Marius Power Member Member since:Apr 2009 4K collection:36 Blu-ray collection:594	With Baron Zemo in Civil War, I would love to see the Masters of Evil for Avengers. Have Zemo slowly recruit Avengers villains (provided they don't kill them off....), to take on the Avengers as a team. Could use the tagline Earth's Mightiest Villains

03-31-2016, 04:31 PM	#15
imsounoriginal Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:NYC 4K collection:320 Blu-ray collection:946 DVD collection:70 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:59	If Marvel can get F4 back, the natural post-Thanos choice is Galactus. But that's a big If.

03-31-2016, 11:02 PM	#19
dcfan88 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2016 Location:Virginia, U.S.A. 4K collection:203 Blu-ray collection:3013 DVD collection:359 Digital collection:1295 Blu-ray reviews:3	On the DC side of things it nearly all but confirmed that Green Lantern won't be around until Justice League 2. One of the biggest GL villains is the anti monitor and there have been times the Justice League has had to fight anti monitor. As cheesy and overdone (in comics and animation) as it is both marvel and dc could have avengers (marvel) or justice league (DC) fight a "Super villain team up"

03-31-2016, 11:26 PM	#20
sandman slim Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Aug 2013 Location:TN 4K collection:317 Blu-ray collection:6443 DVD collection:424 Digital collection:4 Prime collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:8	Kang the Conquerer isn't really well known, but neither were the Guardians, and that turned out okay. And introducing some time travel could spice things up a bit. Galactus, of course, if they can get the rights back. And Marvel could seriously expand the Guardians sub-universe into an entirely new franchise. Sequels, solo films for Star Lord and Rocket, the Kree/Skrull war (again, if they get the FF rights back), a Nova Corps movie.. the cosmic films alone could keep going for decades. The main things I'd like to see from DC are a Plastic Man movie, a Vertigo universe (Sandman, Spectre, etc.), and the Legion of Super Heroes. And the ultimate fanboy wish would have to be some form of Marvel vs. DC crossover film/series.

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