4K UHD HDR display reviews

[PRO-630HD]

I thought this would be a good place for HDR only display reviews to see which ones will provide the best experience to the consumer for the new format. Putting it in the display category will separate these reviews by technology putting them in entirely different forums depending on the tech behind the display.

Some reviews on the Samsung KS 9500 (KS 9000 in Europe)

The Samsung edge lit display which gets scary bright suffers low black levels of 0.16 when in HDR mode due to the horizontal lighting from the bottom of the panel. Both reviewers talk about the good and bad characteristics of this UHDTV. While UHD premium certified this panel suffers some issues concerning black levels, but peaks at over 1400 nits in a 2% window and goes over 500 nits full screen.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue55k...1603244256.htm

https://www.avforums.com/review/sams...v-review.12481

ttp://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2016/03/22/samsung-un55ks9500-4k-hdr-tv-review-blinded-by-the-light/#3db4f60f433d

Forbes is tricky with links, copy and paste and ad an h in front of link.

New US review that shows the flaws of the bottom lit display. Hint wait for the KS9800 FALD display. Watch the video of the review.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...d-tv-hands-on/

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Review of the Sony X850D

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850d

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1462946905

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Review of the LG UH8500

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uh8500

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Review of the LG UH7700

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uh7700

[PRO-630HD]

Reviews of the LG 65G6P OLED!

I added a new review of the g6 oled from reviewed. Still a lot of unanswered questions though. I don't believe DCI was fully measured and they are stating that with a 10% window in only reaches 290 nits. If true it shouldn't be UHD premium certified.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled6...1604014268.htm

http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...oled-tv-review

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...w74r077lAve.97

[marine92104]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

Review of the LG 65G6P OLED!

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled6...1604014268.htm

I take delivery of the LG G6 that was used in this review next Tuesday.

David mentioned over at AVSforum that mine was one of the displays used in the review. He calibrated it before it was shipped from Value Electronics.

He watched Avatar 3D on my display along with some UHD titles. They stated the calibration made the picture quality look incredible.

[katiehlvr2]

Of course they are going to say that.

[marine92104]

Originally Posted by katiehlvr2

Of course they are going to say that.

Do you even know who David Mackenzie is? By your response I don't think you do.

He's known as the top OLED ISF Calibrator.

He also calibrates the displays for Value Electronics Flat Panel Shoot Out every year.

So yes I would trust his calibrations and his word concerning his calibration.

You can see where he answered me back over at AVSforum on this.

If you can't believe what he said concerning his calibration of my OLED then I take it you don't believe his review on the LG G6 either.

[PRO-630HD]

Review of the Sony X930D

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930d

http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...930d-tv-review

ttp://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2016/04/06/sony-xbr-65x930d-65xd9305-xd9305-x930d-4k-hdr-tv-review/#8686b7d11442

Cut and paste the forbes link and add an h to the link. Their links always go to their welcome page.

https://www.avforums.com/review/sony...v-review.12267

https://www.avforums.com/review/sony...v-review.12266

http://www.cnet.com/products/sony-xbr-x930d-review/

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

Review of the Sony X930D

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930d

Wow, looks like it didn't do as well as the 930C last year. At least for watching movies (which is what I care about). Black levels and contrast ratio look to be worse? Peak brightness is a little higher, but I suspect that's because the 930C was tested before it got the HDR update, which increased the peak brightness levels (after all, the 50% window brightness levels are almost the same).

[PRO-630HD]

I agree Bruce, the contrast ratio was much better at 5005:1 compared to 2843 : 1, actually big difference. Color gamut really is negligible and the new D model is significantly brighter though. At a color gamut of 88% DCI and a 10% window of 728cd/m2 I can see why Sony didn't bother with UHD Premium certification. Because it couldn't meet the requirements.

[PRO-630HD]

So far from the reviews we are getting it seems like UHD premium certified sets or sets that can meet those requirements that are FALD or OLED will really be the sets to get for best performance with UHD HDR. Some of these sets with 10 bit panels and HDR are only reaching 300cd/m2 brightness in a 10% window which really defeats the purpose. Like reaching 75% DCI P3 seems like a waste of money if you wish to invest in UHD bluray. The last thing I am going to add is also if possible getting a set with Dolby Vision. I actually think over time it could be a big deal and especially for future proofing. Kind of like making sure your receiver had DTS back in the DVD days. Lastly for me I am not giving up 3D folks!

[K i r a]

Kinda surprised myself that these 2016 SOny's are actually worse in parts to the 2015 ones. DCIP3 seems to be better in 2015, while brightness is turned up only by 100 nits on 2016, but at a loss of a wider color gamut.

Looks like I'm good with my Sony X850C for a while, at least until I see those OLEDs that are truly delivering drop in price. That LG one reached 94% DCIP3 which is awesome. I do think it's odd that a lot of manufacturers besdies Sony don't fully support 24p. Looks like Samsung supports it on disc only, but 60p and 60i (streaming and cable) are prone to judder unless you enable soap opera effect. I stuck with Sony partly because they 100% support judder free 24p playback on ALL signals and ways to watch. Would like to see that form more manufacturers.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by K i r a

Kinda surprised myself that these 2016 SOny's are actually worse in parts to the 2015 ones. DCIP3 seems to be better in 2015, while brightness is turned up only by 100 nits on 2016, but at a loss of a wider color gamut.

Looks like I'm good with my Sony X850C for a while, at least until I see those OLEDs that are truly delivering drop in price. That LG one reached 94% DCIP3 which is awesome. I do think it's odd that a lot of manufacturers besdies Sony don't fully support 24p. Looks like Samsung supports it on disc only, but 60p and 60i (streaming and cable) are prone to judder unless you enable soap opera effect. I stuck with Sony partly because they 100% support judder free 24p playback on ALL signals and ways to watch. Would like to see that form more manufacturers.

That why I bought the C, the D lost the 3D and its looks

[bruceames]

Another review of the Sony 930D. This one measures the DCI-P3 at 95% (which is more in line with what one would expect), so the other review must have screwed it up.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd65x...1604034267.htm

[PRO-630HD]

Rtings.com also had the EF9500 at 81% DCI P3 where hdtvtest had it at 86% and avforums had it at 88%. The units I would think are going to have slight fluctuations between sets. Also on the Sony 930 1045nits compared to 978 for a 2% window and 875nits vs 728 for a 10% window between hdtvtest and rtings respectively.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

Rtings.com also had the EF9500 at 81% DCI P3 where hdtvtest had it at 86% and avforums had it at 88%. The units I would think are going to have slight fluctuations between sets. Also on the Sony 930 1045nits compared to 978 for a 2% window and 875nits vs 728 for a 10% window between hdtvtest and rtings respectively.

Is the 10% window used for certification purposes?

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Is the 10% window used for certification purposes?

Yes that is what they use for 1000 nit and 540 nit certification based on black level.

[K i r a]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

Rtings.com also had the EF9500 at 81% DCI P3 where hdtvtest had it at 86% and avforums had it at 88%. The units I would think are going to have slight fluctuations between sets. Also on the Sony 930 1045nits compared to 978 for a 2% window and 875nits vs 728 for a 10% window between hdtvtest and rtings respectively.

Seeing this, I noticed that site has the X850C measured at 91% DCIp3 coverage while Rtings has it at 89.34%. It's less than 2%, sure, but putting the brightness aside, that would mean that the X850C 2015 model meets at the very least the spec for UHDA's DCIp3 coverage. Makes me a little more confident in my purchase. I can understand clouding and all being different panel to panel, but how is DCIp3 coverage different, too?

[PRO-630HD]

I added a new review of the g6 oled in post 5. Still a lot of unanswered questions though. I don't believe DCI was fully measured and they are stating that with a 10% window in only reaches 290 nits. If true it shouldn't be UHD premium certified.