Worst of Youtube

[voltz]

I'm just wondering what you guy's opinion is on this where as far as demonitizing, the "Heroes" program, excessive comment/video flagging, SJW's taking over and the fact that YT is clearly catering to their favor?

Do you think the service is corrupt?

[Captain Flint]

Originally Posted by voltz

I'm just wondering what you guy's opinion is on this where as far as demonitizing, the "Heroes" program, excessive comment/video flagging, SJW's taking over and the fact that YT is clearly catering to their favor?

Do you think the service is corrupt?

This isn't my first time hearing about the "Heroes". What is it exactly? I see you mentioned SJW's so I'm already not liking this.

[voltz]

Well the heroes thing is about anyone trying to become a moderator and the more you report, the more perks you get and more control you get, which can get to a level where you're allowed to mass flag and even outright ban channels. This has been blowing up all over the place there.

On the SJW front, it hasn't been just that we've had people who are manipulative in the community, but now it seems to have been extending into the very fiber of many corporations and industries around the world. Youtube itself is becoming very friendly of this and along with forcing people to PG or G rate their content for sake of advertising, the place is getting a little out of hand to the point where all SJW influence is starting to affect us directly..... and in a number of very negative ways that take away rights to important things such as freedom of expression. I honestly think this is going to turn into a rather major social war on what is acceptable to the public, what we're allowed to say to each other, what we can enjoy, etc.

All I can say is the cancer in this society is spreading and it needs to be cut out.

[blurayfriend]

Originally Posted by Captain Flint

This isn't my first time hearing about the "Heroes". What is it exactly? I see you mentioned SJW's so I'm already not liking this.

What is up with everyone on this forum not tolerating the phrase "SJW"? Any other website somebody can say that and everyone knows what they mean, here it's like a bad word and the conversation stops dead. Didn't know it was SocialJusticeBlu-Ray.com.

[voltz]

Well the last thing I need is SJW's here to tell me or others that our opinions aren't acceptable. Anyway this is a youtube topic and how Google's management of the place is throwing is throwing it all downhill...

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by voltz

Well the last thing I need is SJW's here to tell me or others that our opinions aren't acceptable. Anyway this is a youtube topic and how Google's management of the place is throwing is throwing it all downhill...

Nah it isn't. If it was why would you bring SJW's up? Let alone post an entire rant about it two posts in. You just want to have a whole whinge about them.

Originally Posted by voltz

On the SJW front, it hasn't been just that we've had people who are manipulative in the community, but now it seems to have been extending into the very fiber of many corporations and industries around the world. Youtube itself is becoming very friendly of this and along with forcing people to PG or G rate their content for sake of advertising, the place is getting a little out of hand to the point where all SJW influence is starting to affect us directly..... and in a number of very negative ways that take away rights to important things such as freedom of expression. I honestly think this is going to turn into a rather major social war on what is acceptable to the public, what we're allowed to say to each other, what we can enjoy, etc.

All I can say is the cancer in this society is spreading and it needs to be cut out.

Anyway, the Youtube heroes thing is shit on all side, not just from overly sensitive people but from the flipside as well, those who take umbridge with others they simply don't like. The YouTube viewing community should have zero power honestly, the whole crap thing about Heroes is that it's so negative, it's specialises in shutting people down instead of rewarding creators and those helping put. And that's not even getting into the fact that it's a job people should be paid to do, not handed out for points to randomers online, that's why it's so shit.

[Captain Flint]

Originally Posted by blurayfriend

What is up with everyone on this forum not tolerating the phrase "SJW"? Any other website somebody can say that and everyone knows what they mean, here it's like a bad word and the conversation stops dead. Didn't know it was SocialJusticeBlu-Ray.com.

Because I don't really need a bunch of overly sensitive people telling me what I can and cannot say or think. Although I'm tolerant of every race and gender, I like to joke a lot; lighten the mood. SJW's get all pissy if you make one little joke and it's pathetic. I have a right to say and think what I want to say and think and SJW's are looking to take that freedom away. Because the solution is to baby everyone obviously.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by voltz

Well the heroes thing is about anyone trying to become a moderator and the more you report, the more perks you get and more control you get, which can get to a level where you're allowed to mass flag and even outright ban channels. This has been blowing up all over the place there.

On the SJW front, it hasn't been just that we've had people who are manipulative in the community, but now it seems to have been extending into the very fiber of many corporations and industries around the world. Youtube itself is becoming very friendly of this and along with forcing people to PG or G rate their content for sake of advertising,

Not sure what you're talking about, but there's plenty of "R" content on Youtube, especially now that they allow nudity. The channels I watch haven't been censored in any way - still plenty of adult language/themes to be had.

Originally Posted by voltz

the place is getting a little out of hand to the point where all SJW influence is starting to affect us directly..... and in a number of very negative ways that take away rights to important things such as freedom of expression.

They can't take away any "rights," nor do they have anything to do with "freedom of expression." Youtube is not a government body - it's a subsidiary of Google, which is a publicly traded company.

You might wanna take a little of that outrage and channel it into taking - and passing - a remedial civics class...

[Groot]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

They can't take away any "rights," nor do they have anything to do with "freedom of expression." Youtube is not a government body - it's a subsidiary of Google, which is a publicly traded company.

You might wanna take a little of that outrage and channel it into taking - and passing - a remedial civics class...

Yes, we all know that freedom of speech and all that jazz only applies to government entities. That said, you should know what he means. The website has promoted itself since it's inception as a place to share ideas and thoughts. Now, they want to censor those thoughts for advertisements (which hey, they are here to make money) and now allow others through the Hero program to censor videos/channels for perks. They are mass promoting censorship. It's their company, absolutely, and they can do what they want but the change will hurt large channels and/or controversial channels which in turn will actually cost them money. I'm sure the YouTubers can find another more open minded platform - or host themselves, but for a company that touts itself as pro-consumer this move isn't showing that.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by Groot

Yes, we all know that freedom of speech and all that jazz only applies to government entities. That said, you should know what he means. The website has promoted itself since it's inception as a place to share ideas and thoughts. Now, they want to censor those thoughts for advertisements (which hey, they are here to make money) and now allow others through the Hero program to censor videos/channels for perks. They are mass promoting censorship. It's their company, absolutely, and they can do what they want but the change will hurt large channels and/or controversial channels which in turn will actually cost them money. I'm sure the YouTubers can find another more open minded platform - or host themselves, but for a company that touts itself as pro-consumer this move isn't showing that.

That's certainly not accurate. That's how all the youtubers are currently trying to spin it, but it's just not true. Well, not entirely anyway. No one is being censored. What's happening is youtubes new algorithm has allowed advertisers to fully look at what videos ads are being played on, and can now decide to not advertise with said video because it doesn't match their ideaology or business practices. People who have been used to bringing in money by sitting in front of a webcam, swearing, etc, have taken a huge hit. But the thing is: no one is entitled to bring in money on YouTube. People have banked far to much on the YouTube economy to make their living when all signs have been saying stay away for years. It's like being surprised you're at the bottom of the ocean when you noticed your ship was leaking a few years ago.

As far as YouTube being untrustworthy and anti-consumer, that's been obvious since they were bought by google. As someone who actually was starting to make a career on YouTube during that time it absolutely blows my mind that people are only just now noticing this. From removing custom profiles, destroying the way youtubers could interact socially, removing guidlines, forcing Google plus on everyone, changing the comment system, etc, the last four years have shown that YouTube has no interest in being consumer friendly. Only in what brings google more money.

Outside of bringing in money YouTube is the same that it's ever been. It's just finally decided to make it harder to get rich quick. You can still upload basically anything. You just shouldn't expect to make money. I don't see that as a bad thing.

[voltz]

Of course the other alternative when advertisers don't like your videos is to go and throw up a patreon account, which now is basically aiming at the viewer paying the uploader's out of pocket. I think one of the most tragic results is losing Chris Pirillo's Lockergnome which I only ever viewed occasionally. I mean it sucks that people have to go so far as to charge us directly just so they can secure their own lifestyle, but where you can say we can afford all that, why the hell should I be inclined to do so, especially when there's so many with their excessive tier levels?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

That's certainly not accurate. That's how all the youtubers are currently trying to spin it, but it's just not true. Well, not entirely anyway. No one is being censored. What's happening is youtubes new algorithm has allowed advertisers to fully look at what videos ads are being played on, and can now decide to not advertise with said video because it doesn't match their ideaology or business practices. People who have been used to bringing in money by sitting in front of a webcam, swearing, etc, have taken a huge hit. But the thing is: no one is entitled to bring in money on YouTube. People have banked far to much on the YouTube economy to make their living when all signs have been saying stay away for years. It's like being surprised you're at the bottom of the ocean when you noticed your ship was leaking a few years ago.

As far as YouTube being untrustworthy and anti-consumer, that's been obvious since they were bought by google. As someone who actually was starting to make a career on YouTube during that time it absolutely blows my mind that people are only just now noticing this. From removing custom profiles, destroying the way youtubers could interact socially, removing guidlines, forcing Google plus on everyone, changing the comment system, etc, the last four years have shown that YouTube has no interest in being consumer friendly. Only in what brings google more money.

Outside of bringing in money YouTube is the same that it's ever been. It's just finally decided to make it harder to get rich quick. You can still upload basically anything. You just shouldn't expect to make money. I don't see that as a bad thing.

Well, I can agree with that to a point. I think the main concern, at least on channels I watch like DeFranco, is that tags alone got videos where they were not monetized even if the content was acceptable and people were waiting days to get their videos back to making money.

My view of it, like any company who offers services (eBay/ETSY/Amazon Sellers) is that you shouldn't sweep a rug out from under people. You either put the change in, begin to slowly roll it out and go from there...or you don't do it. People who have been promised money/jobs/income/whatever from using your service shouldn't be approached the way they handle it. I have no problem with a business making a change, just don't enforce it here or there and suddenly go scorched earth after the fact. That's all I'm saying.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by Groot

Well, I can agree with that to a point. I think the main concern, at least on channels I watch like DeFranco, is that tags alone got videos where they were not monetized even if the content was acceptable and people were waiting days to get their videos back to making money.

My view of it, like any company who offers services (eBay/ETSY/Amazon Sellers) is that you shouldn't sweep a rug out from under people. You either put the change in, begin to slowly roll it out and go from there...or you don't do it. People who have been promised money/jobs/income/whatever from using your service shouldn't be approached the way they handle it. I have no problem with a business making a change, just don't enforce it here or there and suddenly go scorched earth after the fact. That's all I'm saying.

Nah, I agree with that. I keep hoping something like this would wake up the people that depend on these platforms as their way of life and show them that someone needs to create a more stable website. It seems everyone is to scared to leave YouTube though, which is a shame.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

Nah, I agree with that. I keep hoping something like this would wake up the people that depend on these platforms as their way of life and show them that someone needs to create a more stable website. It seems everyone is to scared to leave YouTube though, which is a shame.

Oh, for sure. That's what I tell people about eBay and the like, get your own website. At any moment they could do something (and have to many) that ruins your business. It's really a shame how it always seems to end up. I don't understand why larger channels just don't broadcast on their own servers. It isn't that expensive to get a decent capacity server and host your own content. Plus, you can control the ads.

[blurayfriend]

Originally Posted by Captain Flint

Because I don't really need a bunch of overly sensitive people telling me what I can and cannot say or think. Although I'm tolerant of every race and gender, I like to joke a lot; lighten the mood. SJW's get all pissy if you make one little joke and it's pathetic. I have a right to say and think what I want to say and think and SJW's are looking to take that freedom away. Because the solution is to baby everyone obviously.

That's how I feel, thought you meant the opposite. I'm surprised so many people "liked" your post, because I've found whenever I say something similar about disliking SJW on the forum, I get jumped on for saying a bad word and my entire point is automatically discredited. Fed up with it too.

[dgoswald]

As soon as I saw what they were trying to do with YouTube Heroes - despite the cheery, innocuous presentation video - I thought, "This is some serious Stasi nonsense." It's insidious. The potential for abuse of this new system is staggering.

[voltz]

I want to run this video across you guys for a second.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=albC6Jw2GQ8

Now times like this I really wish we had something in place where we can press for class-action lawsuits on people in spite of what part of the world they live in. Youtube obviously allows these perps to get away with income theft. I've actually seen a number of these false claims on any given number of videos and usually it's someone who thinks they can control what goes on with other people's content.

[Jett Rink]

I'm surprised that this thread has lived this long. That being said, YouTube and their content creators are getting excessively greedy.

[Moviefan2k4]

Anything to do with porn, advocating murder or child sacrifice, and devil worship. That's pretty much the worst, that I can think of.

[WhySoBlu?]

^ Someone didn't bother to read the OP before responding...