Warner switching to AVC?

[jediknight182]

With Warner going exclusive I wonder if they will be switching from VC-1 to AVC to take full advantage of blu-ray. Anyone hear anything about this?

[PeechCobblerPie]

it only makes sense. They probably were only doing it the other way as to not have to make 2 codings for the same movies when they were releasing blu and hd

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by PeechCobblerPie

it only makes sense. They probably were only doing it the other way as to not have to make 2 codings for the same movies when they were releasing blu and hd

as long as we dont get washed up hdud versions of movies I dont care what they use

[sonicbox]

Originally Posted by PeechCobblerPie

it only makes sense. They probably were only doing it the other way as to not have to make 2 codings for the same movies when they were releasing blu and hd

Huh? Both Blu-Ray and HD DVD formats support all 3 codecs (AVC, VC-1 & MPEG-2) and always have. Warner could have chosen any of the 3.

Trivia: Blu-Ray authoring tools only did MPEG-2 at launch: so, the very earliest Warner Blu-Ray's were MPEG-2 on Blu-Ray, where the HD DVD used VC-1. When tools were improved on Blu-Ray, Warner switched to VC-1 on BD, too.

Anyway, AVC and VC-1 can both "take full advantage of Blu-Ray." The codec is format neutral. And one more time: Picture quality is more driven by the master than the codec or bitrate.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by sonicbox

Huh? Both Blu-Ray and HD DVD formats support all 3 codecs (AVC, VC-1 & MPEG-2) and always have. Warner could have chosen any of the 3.

Trivia: Blu-Ray authoring tools only did MPEG-2 at launch: so, the very earliest Warner Blu-Ray's were MPEG-2 on Blu-Ray, where the HD DVD used VC-1. When tools were improved on Blu-Ray, Warner switched to VC-1 on BD, too.

Anyway, AVC and VC-1 can both "take full advantage of Blu-Ray." The codec is format neutral!

I didn't know HD-DVD had any movies that had an AVC transfer

[nhaase]

Originally Posted by supersix14

as long as we dont get washed up hdud versions of movies I dont care what they use

I bet we will get the HD DVD ports of the straggling releases (Batman, V, etc.), although, if the WB announcement had been in the works since September, maybe they have been working on some new ones. Here's to hoping.

[sonicbox]

For a high profile HD DVD title, Paramount's Transformers is AVC.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by sonicbox

Huh? Both Blu-Ray and HD DVD formats support all 3 codecs (AVC, VC-1 & MPEG-2) and always have. Warner could have chosen any of the 3.

Trivia: Blu-Ray authoring tools only did MPEG-2 at launch: so, the very earliest Warner Blu-Ray's were MPEG-2 on Blu-Ray, where the HD DVD used VC-1. When tools were improved on Blu-Ray, Warner switched to VC-1 on BD, too.

Anyway, AVC and VC-1 can both "take full advantage of Blu-Ray." The codec is format neutral. And one more time: Picture quality is more driven by the master than the codec or bitrate.

While it's true that hd-dvd can use AVC, many did not because of the space it would have required. And as for your last sentence: You are only partially correct. A lousy master can't be turned into a great HD movie, BUT AVC has been shown to be a better codec than VC-1, unless the bitrate is high. You will NOT get a good Blu-ray disc from a low bitrate. It's impossible. If you don't believe me, check with all the people who review HD discs, or the experts on our Insider's Threads.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by radagast

While it's true that hd-dvd can use AVC, many did not because of the space it would have required. And as for your last sentence: You are only partially correct. A lousy master can't be turned into a great HD movie, BUT AVC has been shown to be a better codec than VC-1, unless the bitrate is high. You will NOT get a good Blu-ray disc from a low bitrate. It's impossible. If you don't believe me, check with all the people who review HD discs, or the experts on our Insider's Threads.

let me clarify one thing you said...because it was a little confusing to read...

the VC-1 nitrate must be high for it to compete with AVC...

it almost sounded like you said that AVC is better unless the bitrate is high...for AVC

or maybe I'm a we todd...

[NoQuestion]

Originally Posted by nhaase

I bet we will get the HD DVD ports of the straggling releases (Batman, V, etc.), although, if the WB announcement had been in the works since September, maybe they have been working on some new ones. Here's to hoping.

There has been talk from our insiders that at least Batman Begins was going to get remastered for the bluray release. Im going to put my money on the insiders, they havent disappointed us yet

[The Don]

Originally Posted by NoQuestion

There has been talk from our insiders that at least Batman Begins was going to get remastered for the bluray release. Im going to put my money on the insiders, they havent disappointed us yet

I probably read that and forgot....

I would use the search function, but it only gives me a white page...

if I was a "noob" I would be SOL with all of the "is paramount going Blu?" "when is Star Wars getting released?" etc. etc. type threads..

[Beta-guy]

Originally Posted by The Don

I didn't know HD-DVD had any movies that had an AVC transfer

only 10.14% of HD-DVD's are encoded in AVC... 86.67% of HD-DVD's are encoded in VC-1... let's look at Blu-ray

36.73% of Blu-ray's are encoded in AVC, and only 27.66% on blu-ray is encoded using VC-1 I wonder why MS supported HD-DVD

[BStecke]

If they continue to use VC-1, hopefully it will continue to be on par with Shoot 'Em Up. I read on AVS somewhere that Shoot 'Em Up was a test of sorts to see the reaction toward using higher bitrate encodes. VC-1 can be quite good, it just depends on how it's used.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by jediknight182

With Warner going exclusive I wonder if they will be switching from VC-1 to AVC to take full advantage of blu-ray. Anyone hear anything about this?

They don't need to. Unwashed high bit-rate VC-1 is very nice.

The issue would come down to the authoring costs. There are several companies working on AVC encoding that have serious hardware capabilities (like Sony and Panasonic).

Gary

[BluSmoke]

I hope Warner stays with VC-1. They know it. Otherwise, their encoders have to learn how to use AVC. I think it's obvious that they could up the bitrate, but Warner's VC-1 transfers are generally very good.

[WickyWoo]

AVC and VC-1 are essentially identical

There's no real substantive difference between their ability to deliver a great picture

[Downhere]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

AVC and VC-1 are essentially identical

There's no real substantive difference between their ability to deliver a great picture

Exactly, I never understand this codec cheerleading. Just because VC-1 is Microsoft's baby and was used on HD DVD doesn't mean it is any less in quality compared to AVC. Both can deliver the goods in picture quality.

[blukrank]

Originally Posted by The Don

I didn't know HD-DVD had any movies that had an AVC transfer

Yeah Transformers,Blades of Glory,Shrek the third are AVC.I think The Star Trek set they released was AVC too?