Papillon - Blu-ray Forum

Jerome · 01-21-2011, 08:02 AM

Papillon current 2011 by TF1 Video
http://www.ecranlarge.com/article-details-18620.php

PRE-ORDER

Moviefan1203 · 01-22-2011, 11:49 AM

Papillon is a great film, and I'm very glad to see it getting a Blu-ray release. I just really hope there are not forced French subtitles.

Johnny Vinyl · 01-22-2011, 11:55 AM

This is great news! I've always loved this movie! McQueen & Hoffman.....great pairing!

Jerome · 10-14-2011, 11:39 AM

This Blu-Ray includes a 1h documentary about the real Papillon, Henri Charriere (in 1080i HD, only in French) and an exclusive interview, with producer Robert Watts (25 minutes), in english and in 1080i.
The Trailer and the orginal Making of Featurette are in SD.

Same 1080p transfer than the Warner disc with some addtionnal corrections.

Torrente · 10-18-2011, 11:26 PM

I'm afraid of what the corrections consist in???

On DVD, french editors have a huge history of f*** up the transfers they get from the USA

8 1/2 was a miracle... so let's prey...

tenia · 10-19-2011, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torrente

I'm afraid of what the corrections consist in???

On DVD, french editors have a huge history of f*** up the transfers they get from the USA

8 1/2 was a miracle... so let's prey...

From what I remembered, I think the french transfer is rawer than the US one, meaning less post-correction filters (like DNR or EE).

Jerome · 10-19-2011, 09:16 AM

there are very small corrections.
I saw the HD transfer and it's beautiful

Torrente · 10-21-2011, 01:23 PM

Thanks a lot guys

grospaquet31 · 10-23-2011, 04:58 PM

they could have made an digibook edition like US...oh! may be will come after...

stratford · 12-18-2011, 08:02 PM

Are the sub titles on the french copy optional or forced, please?

McCrutchy · 12-21-2011, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stratford

Are the sub titles on the french copy optional or forced, please?

They are forced and split the frame and the image. They are also large and white. TF1 have rather smartly separated the audio tracks so that you cannot change them in your player menu, so it is impossible to start the film with the French audio and then switch the stream to English. Moreover, it appears the French DUB is incomplete and thus partially subtitled, so you would need to find a way to disable subtitles completely in your player, which I, unfortunately, cannot.

I have only spot-checked the disc, but the long documentary on Henri Charriere appears to be a History Channel co-production narrated in French (so perhaps a local English version exists), and the SD extras copied from the US BD are in English with forced white subs.

The big draw would obviously be the Robert Watts interview, which is in English (as Jerome said) but like the other HD extra, is 1080/50i, which renders it useless to anyone who can't play that material. I have not had time to sample its quality yet.

The disc also appears to be Region B LOCKED, and I will confirm shortly.

Jerome · 12-21-2011, 09:19 PM

By contract, TF1 Video must lock the subtitles on the film, since they only own the rights for the french market

McCrutchy · 12-21-2011, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerome

By contract, TF1 Video must lock the subtitles on the film, since they only own the rights for the french market

Jerome, do you know when they started separating the audio streams on their discs?

Jerome · 12-21-2011, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Jerome, do you know when they started separating the audio streams on their discs?

It's always like this when you have to lock the subtitles. You can only choose the audio track via the menu and not with the remote. The french dub is incomplete for around 30 secondes at the end of the movie. some kind of censorship back in 1973.

McCrutchy · 12-21-2011, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerome

It's always like this when you have to lock the subtitles. You can only choose the audio track via the menu and not with the remote. The french dub is incomplete for around 30 secondes at the end of the movie. some kind of censorship back in 1973.

Hmm, because I have In the Electric Mist (Dans la brume electrique) and the audio streams can be switched on that disc, but maybe that one didn't need to be locked?

Jerome · 12-21-2011, 10:52 PM

I think this one is coproduced by TF1 Productions, so they don't need to lock the subtitles. It's not specific at TF1 Video. A lot of video companies in Europe mut respect this kind of clause in their contract, except of course for Fox, Warner, Sony and other hollywood studios who have world dvd rights.

McCrutchy · 12-21-2011, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerome

I think this one is coproduced by TF1 Productions, so they don't need to lock the subtitles. It's not specific at TF1 Video. A lot of video companies in Europe mut respect this kind of clause in their contract, except of course for Fox, Warner, Sony and other hollywood studios who have world dvd rights.

McCrutchy · 12-22-2011, 11:13 PM

Well, Amazon have been very good about this gaffe. It appears that I will get to keep the disc instead of sending it back for a refund, so I will post a BDInfo scan when I have the time. Very interested to watch the Watts interview as well.

I might even watch the movie.

Jerome · 12-23-2011, 08:09 AM

it remains me of a US Blu-ray which includes locked english subtitles. Henri Georges Clouzot's Inferno. I wanted to buy it since it's the only blu-ray release of this documentary but I don't want english subtitles on the screen

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Henri.../20761/#Review

happy you enjoyed the Robert Watts interview

zardoz · 12-23-2011, 08:56 PM

reminds aurait été mieux

01-21-2011, 08:02 AM	#1
Jerome Blu-ray Insider Member since:Dec 2008 4K collection:198 Blu-ray collection:1413	Papillon Papillon current 2011 by TF1 Video http://www.ecranlarge.com/article-details-18620.php PRE-ORDER Last edited by pro-bassoonist; 10-14-2011 at 07:09 PM.

12-18-2011, 08:02 PM	#10
stratford Banned Member since:Aug 2009 Trading Score:1	dose any one own a propper french copy Are the sub titles on the french copy optional or forced, please?

01-22-2011, 11:49 AM	#2
Moviefan1203 Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Pennsylvania, USA Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:45	Papillon is a great film, and I'm very glad to see it getting a Blu-ray release. I just really hope there are not forced French subtitles.

01-22-2011, 11:55 AM	#3
Johnny Vinyl Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:At the crossroad of Analogue Dr & 2CH Ave Home Theater Gallery:19 Blu-ray collection:205 DVD collection:7 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:8	This is great news! I've always loved this movie! McQueen & Hoffman.....great pairing!

10-14-2011, 11:39 AM	#4
Jerome Blu-ray Insider Member since:Dec 2008 4K collection:198 Blu-ray collection:1413	This Blu-Ray includes a 1h documentary about the real Papillon, Henri Charriere (in 1080i HD, only in French) and an exclusive interview, with producer Robert Watts (25 minutes), in english and in 1080i. The Trailer and the orginal Making of Featurette are in SD. Same 1080p transfer than the Warner disc with some addtionnal corrections.

10-18-2011, 11:26 PM	#5
Torrente Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Aug 2010 Location:France Blu-ray collection:325 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:51	I'm afraid of what the corrections consist in??? On DVD, french editors have a huge history of f*** up the transfers they get from the USA 8 1/2 was a miracle... so let's prey...

10-19-2011, 09:16 AM	#7
Jerome Blu-ray Insider Member since:Dec 2008 4K collection:198 Blu-ray collection:1413	there are very small corrections. I saw the HD transfer and it's beautiful

10-21-2011, 01:23 PM	#8
Torrente Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Aug 2010 Location:France Blu-ray collection:325 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:51	Thanks a lot guys

10-23-2011, 04:58 PM	#9
grospaquet31 Member Member since:Sep 2011 Location:Toulouse Trading Score:9	they could have made an digibook edition like US...oh! may be will come after...

12-21-2011, 09:19 PM	#12
Jerome Blu-ray Insider Member since:Dec 2008 4K collection:198 Blu-ray collection:1413	By contract, TF1 Video must lock the subtitles on the film, since they only own the rights for the french market

12-21-2011, 10:52 PM	#16
Jerome Blu-ray Insider Member since:Dec 2008 4K collection:198 Blu-ray collection:1413	I think this one is coproduced by TF1 Productions, so they don't need to lock the subtitles. It's not specific at TF1 Video. A lot of video companies in Europe mut respect this kind of clause in their contract, except of course for Fox, Warner, Sony and other hollywood studios who have world dvd rights.

12-22-2011, 11:13 PM	#18
McCrutchy Contributor Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:East Coast, USA Home Theater Gallery:2 4K collection:1263 Blu-ray collection:6773 DVD collection:253 Blu-ray reviews: 5 Trading Score:17	Well, Amazon have been very good about this gaffe. It appears that I will get to keep the disc instead of sending it back for a refund, so I will post a BDInfo scan when I have the time. Very interested to watch the Watts interview as well. I might even watch the movie.

12-23-2011, 08:09 AM	#19
Jerome Blu-ray Insider Member since:Dec 2008 4K collection:198 Blu-ray collection:1413	it remains me of a US Blu-ray which includes locked english subtitles. Henri Georges Clouzot's Inferno. I wanted to buy it since it's the only blu-ray release of this documentary but I don't want english subtitles on the screen https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Henri.../20761/#Review happy you enjoyed the Robert Watts interview

12-23-2011, 08:56 PM	#20
zardoz Senior Member Member since:May 2008	reminds aurait été mieux

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