How much longer till we have 8k movies

[Jim Pez]

I don't even have a 4k player yet and already Samsung has an 8k tv.

[partridge]

8K is about tv companies trying to outdo each other, it's certainly not about us consumers!

The vast majority of content out there is still HD and will be for a while yet, I don't even know if 4k would ever become the norm for tv? HD is good enough for tv shows, only nature programmes really benefit from 4k/HDR, though sport looks good too.

Everything you watch on an 8K set will be upscaled, if you're ok with that then great, but 8K is not needed by anyone (IMO)

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by partridge

8K is about tv companies trying to outdo each other, it's certainly not about us consumers!

The vast majority of content out there is still HD and will be for a while yet, I don't even know if 4k would ever become the norm for tv? HD is good enough for tv shows, only nature programmes really benefit from 4k/HDR, though sport looks good too.

Everything you watch on an 8K set will be upscaled, if you're ok with that then great, but 8K is not needed by anyone (IMO)

exactly. thats all it is. a damn competition between the tv companies when 4k is still so new

[AKORIS]

as far as physical media............. never.

[nick4Knight]

In terms of Hollywood forever could be an option... There is no reason to go to 8K but there is benefit to MASTERING in 8K and then authoring to disc at 4K. Supersampled images are usually always better than native ones.

"8K movies" might be a thing in future on streaming. But again that will be a compromised compressed image so really what is the point when you could just deliver a less compressed 4K stream from an 8K master?

Unless you are talking about a commercial theatre screen sizes could never take advantage of the 8K resolution. I just think this is a non-starter for the industry. 8K content is only gonna be in the TV/streaming space to sell TV's. Not to sell quality film and digital shot movie content. Which is what 4K UHD is doing right now. It's aiming for a benchmark. And hitting it most times!

[Nitroboy]

Originally Posted by Jim Pez

I don't even have a 4k player yet and already Samsung has an 8k tv.

Fake 8K mind you

[brian9229]

No interest beyond 4K whatsoever.

[78deluxe]

Only interest in 8k is if they add a 3D spec that enables passiclve 4k 3D along with 1080P 3D.

Hopefully that will see the light of day. Will use my 4k 3D OLED until it dies (hopefully never).

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by brian9229

No interest beyond 4K whatsoever.

People had said the same about 4K and even 1080p.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

People had said the same about 4K and even 1080p.

Until they offer 8K games common place to the masses forget about it. Yes they do exist but the setup is hefty in requirements.

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

People had said the same about 4K and even 1080p.

But barely anyone knew about HDR/WCG would be tied into 4K until around 2014 or 2015 really. I guess the industry could try to append some amazing new standard of contemporary filmmaking artificially to 8K but it won't be on disc, still. That much we know because of space reasons so far is limited.

Whereas in the 2K/blu-ray days a) we knew 4K was a thing... (4K DCP/DI, not to mention "sony mastered in 4K" series), and b) we knew that 66, 100 and 128GB disc space was a thing blu-ray disc had up it's sleeve.

You don't have those similarities yet. Again, the industry could tie some next gen movie making PQ/AQ improvements artificially pushing them only to an 8K spec? But that is not something we can foresee yet.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

In terms of Hollywood forever could be an option... There is no reason to go to 8K but there is benefit to MASTERING in 8K and then authoring to disc at 4K. Supersampled images are usually always better than native ones.

Movies have been scanned at 6K/8K to create 4K masters for years already on datacines like the Arriscan and Northlight II so we've been enjoying the benefits of such oversampling for a while now, and not just on 65mm (which is an 8K scan on a 11K sensor pretty much by default, as Imagica have cornered that particular large format market) but on 35mm too. In several cases the raw 8K scan data has been archived, I don't think that many 8K-scanned 35mm shows did that but I know for a fact it was done for Lawrence of Arabia.

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

People had said the same about 4K and even 1080p.

They did indeed, but - as anti-4K'ers are so keen to point out - the leap from SD to HD was a bigger jump in terms of sheer resolution vs resolution than 2K to 4K, and when it comes to consumer 1080p vs consumer 2160p we've got these other goodies like HDR to make up for the potential lack of outright 4K resolution, and I don't just mean upscales either (look at some of the recent posts in the Alien and Die Hard 4K threads, people registering their disappointment that they don't blaze off of the screen like the average Sony joint despite them both being "true 4K" transfers).

But if 4K had been solely about the resolution update, with no HDR and WCG, then would I be as crazy about it as I am? I'd still have some skin in the game, it's what I do, but I wouldn't be as head over heels with it as I am with 4K + HDR. What's my point then? 8K as a source format doesn't offer any kind of improvement over existing HDR protocols, literally nothing new, so all it's going to bring is more resolution when we know that's only a smaller part of the puzzle - but even so, where's that actual 8K resolution gonna come from? A literal handful of old 65mm epics? Movies are STILL being routinely mastered to 2K, never mind 4K, and while streaming will forge ahead with 8K finishes the same situation is true of 4K now: streaming leads the way, but most people aren't buying 4K TVs to watch The Marvellous Mrs Maisel or whatever, you know?

For me, the jumps from SD to HD and then HD to UHD have come with enough improvements to make them truly worthwhile; the former was about more pixels, the latter is about better pixels, but with 8K we're back to more pixels again and those returns are rapidly diminishing, particularly within the bounds of conventional 24fps motion resolution which you can throw all the pixels in the world at but is still gonna bleed temporal information like crazy. I'm sorry, but I don't see this as anything other than the electronics industry reverting to its usual cynical self when it comes to general consumer applications for 8K. Not that they're operating a charity, I've willingly bought into all this stuff over the last 20 years with my eyes wide open, but this latest update really does smack of desperation.

In Japan the situation is a bit 'purer', for want of a better word, as they had HDTV while many people up in here - including myself - were still in short trousers (or hell, weren't even born) so naturally they've shifted up the gears and made sure that their infrastructure is place to deal with 8K when it comes, it's been mentioned before that they did an 8K test broadcast from the 2012 Olympics. But the rest of the world ain't Japan.

Originally Posted by sapiendut

again, it’s not about the 8K resolution, but about the other stuff that 8K will bring.

Yes...which are not mutually exclusive to 8K in any way, shape or form. You could put a finer pixel pitch, better backlighting, wider colour gamut, higher HDR luminance, AI upscaling etc etc etc into a 4K set just as easily as on a 8K set. The longer my ZD9 holds out then the more likely it is that my next TV will be an 8K set, but only because that's the way that the sands are shifting when it comes to production of larger panels, just as 4K has basically killed large-screen 1080p TVs stone dead.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Movies have been scanned at 6K/8K to create 4K masters for years already on datacines like the Arriscan and Northlight II so we've been enjoying the benefits of such oversampling for a while now, and not just on 65mm (which is an 8K scan on a 11K sensor pretty much by default, as Imagica have cornered that particular large format market) but on 35mm too. In several cases the raw 8K scan data has been archived, I don't think that many 8K-scanned 35mm shows did that but I know for a fact it was done for Lawrence of Arabia.


They did indeed, but - as anti-4K'ers are so keen to point out - the leap from SD to HD was a bigger jump in terms of sheer resolution vs resolution than 2K to 4K, and when it comes to consumer 1080p vs consumer 2160p we've got these other goodies like HDR to make up for the potential lack of outright 4K resolution, and I don't just mean upscales either (look at some of the recent posts in the Alien and Die Hard 4K threads, people registering their disappointment that they don't blaze off of the screen like the average Sony joint despite them both being "true 4K" transfers).

But if 4K had been solely about the resolution update, with no HDR and WCG, then would I be as crazy about it as I am? I'd still have some skin in the game, it's what I do, but I wouldn't be as head over heels with it as I am with 4K + HDR. What's my point then? 8K as a source format doesn't offer any kind of improvement over existing HDR protocols, literally nothing new, so all it's going to bring is more resolution when we know that's only a smaller part of the puzzle - but even so, where's that actual 8K resolution gonna come from? A literal handful of old 65mm epics? Movies are STILL being routinely mastered to 2K, never mind 4K, and while streaming will forge ahead with 8K finishes the same situation is true of 4K now: streaming leads the way, but most people aren't buying 4K TVs to watch The Marvellous Mrs Maisel or whatever, you know?

For me, the jumps from SD to HD and then HD to UHD have come with enough improvements to make them truly worthwhile; the former was about more pixels, the latter is about better pixels, but with 8K we're back to more pixels again and those returns are rapidly diminishing, particularly within the bounds of conventional 24fps motion resolution which you can throw all the pixels in the world at but is still gonna bleed temporal information like crazy. I'm sorry, but I don't see this as anything other than the electronics industry reverting to its usual cynical self when it comes to general consumer applications for 8K. Not that they're operating a charity, I've willingly bought into all this stuff over the last 20 years with my eyes wide open, but this latest update really does smack of desperation.

In Japan the situation is a bit 'purer', for want of a better word, as they had HDTV while many people up in here - including myself - were still in short trousers (or hell, weren't even born) so naturally they've shifted up the gears and made sure that their infrastructure is place to deal with 8K when it comes, it's been mentioned before that they did an 8K test broadcast from the 2012 Olympics. But the rest of the world ain't Japan.


Yes...which are not mutually exclusive to 8K in any way, shape or form. You could put a finer pixel pitch, better backlighting, wider colour gamut, higher HDR luminance, AI upscaling etc etc etc into a 4K set just as easily as on a 8K set. The longer my ZD9 holds out then the more likely it is that my next TV will be an 8K set, but only because that's the way that the sands are shifting when it comes to production of larger panels, just as 4K has basically killed large-screen 1080p TVs stone dead.

That is the thing about being an enthusiast - always wanting the very best even if incremental and then it becomes the normal at some point before something else is released. Does it ever end? Not sure. No doubt 8K will eventually sold with a sweeter package with the things you listed including full, true 100% rec 2020.

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by Jim Pez

I don't even have a 4k player yet and already Samsung has an 8k tv.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...2&highlight=8k

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by Jim Pez

I don't even have a 4k player yet and already Samsung has an 8k tv.

What! They didn’t wait for you? Swines!

[jblank]

Hopefully a VERY long time. You're going to need a 100' screen to even make it noticeable. It's simply not practical, 4K is more than adequate plus TV channels aren't even taking advantage of 4K yet.

[gkolb]

They could be. NHK currently shows 8K content for a few hours every day in Japan.

Pretty sure there is some other true 8K content out there.

[jibucha]

8K :: it's coming (already here?)

• Japan :: do you really 'believe' that this is a 'passing fad'?
• or, 'the early stages of - what is to come'?
• 8K (consumer displays) :: make a lot of sense (especially 65" and up)
• scaling (advanced algorithms/processors) will 'enhance' all lower resolution content as viewed
• 'native 8K content' ::that's an unknown (at this point in time) as to 'just when it will become available' (although already so, in Japan)
• in closing, i look forward to when i will own an 8K display

[Lee A Stewart]

I believe that the content creators have had enough of trying to stay up with the TV manufacturers. TVs are now on a 5 year cycle for the "latest and greatest" which is way too short of a time period for the content creators. Sure - they will and have already embraced 8K cameras but as stated - strictly for down-sampling to 4K/2K. They are just getting a handle on 4K HDR/WCG. No way will they do another expensive upgrade to their workflow for at least another 10 years.

Japan decided long ago to skip over 4K and go right to 8K. If you want to see 8K content on an 8K TV . . . move to Japan. Bon Voyage!

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I believe that the content creators have had enough of trying to stay up with the TV manufacturers. TVs are now on a 5 year cycle for the "latest and greatest" which is way too short of a time period for the content creators. Sure - they will and have already embraced 8K cameras but as stated - strictly for down-sampling to 4K/2K. They are just getting a handle on 4K HDR/WCG. No way will they do another expensive upgrade to their workflow for at least another 10 years.

Japan decided long ago to skip over 4K and go right to 8K. If you want to see 8K content on an 8K TV . . . move to Japan. Bon Voyage!

Although I’ve heard that 4K adoption has been really slow in Japan. It’s my belief that most residents in Japan just don’t have the room for 65” and above panels and 8K will be pushing 75, 77, or 88” displays. So the size issue only gets worse. Except for the few in the one percent.