Any chance of 1080p TVs with HDR?

[Neomic]

So I do most of my home theater viewing within a small bedroom, about 10x13', so I don't think it would be necessary to make the jump to 4K since I would see very little difference (if any) in the resolution with my TV size limitations. However, having seen the difference between movies with standard color and HDR, I know that's gonna be a game-changer.

I'm possibly going to be looking for a new TV later this year, and I don't wanna cough up a ton extra for a fulkl 4K display if the difference will be moot. Is there any chance that we could see 1080p TVs with HDR or are there any already on the market?

I plan to buy a small handful of 4K title just for the HDR. Basically just my favorite films.

[slimdude]

No! The HDR feature is only available on UHDTVs, and other 4K video equipment. Manufacturers could very well implement HDR on 1080p HDTVs also, but they're not going to do it because, it will deterred the consumers from buying the more expensive 4K TVs (that cost a lot more) and buy the cheaper 1080p HDTVs instead, then the companies will lose money and profit. To get HDR, you have to buy a UHDTV. That's how they get you!

[azmodeous]

Pretty much what was just said above me here. They're not going to do it since all television manufacturers are highly invested in 4K at the moment, and HDR does benefit the extra resolution. It really could be just as beneficial for 1080p as well, especially on smaller screens, but as with all technology progression is a must. I personally don't mind jumping to 4K to get the benefits that HDR affords as I plan on getting UHD blu-ray in the near future, but the full implementation of it is still a few years off as far as broadcasting and streaming goes.

[tezster]

From a marketing standpoint, the chances of seeing one would be slim to none, as the cost compared to a similar 4K model would be very small, and given the choice, your average consumer would buy the 4K model over the 1080P one. In other words, the general public would equate it as a 1080P TV with a 4K TV price.

[steve1971]

Never gonna happen because HDR will be a UHD TV exclusive. To get HDR you are gonna have to buy a UHD TV sadly. HDR could work on 1080p tv's but the manufacturer's wont implement it because they want you to buy into 4K . For me that will never happen as long as my Sony KDL-55W900A keeps right on ticking and doing it's thing which it's still doing very very well. But again no. You aint gonna see any 1080p tv's with HDR.

[ray0414]

1080P tvs are being phased out. in a few years it will all be 4k, just like they phased out 720p tvs.

[steve1971]

Originally Posted by ray0414

1080P tvs are being phased out. in a few years it will all be 4k, just like they phased out 720p tvs.

I hate to say it ray but I agree with you. In a few year's 4K tv's will be the king of the hill until yet another tech replaces it. I dont agree with it but you cant fight the advancement of technology. That is unless 4K tanks and I dont see that happening.

[Carlanga]

Originally Posted by steve1971

I hate to say it ray but I agree with you. In a few year's 4K tv's will be the king of the hill until yet another tech replaces it. I dont agree with it but you cant fight the advancement of technology. That is unless 4K tanks and I dont see that happening.

TV definition never tanks, what tanks is prices. I keep holding off on upgrading since my 720 lcd tv still works and looks as good as the day I bought it 7 years ago. I think ling forward its not going to be about 4k or not, but if its standard led, oled or whatever else they bring for color, some might try pushing random stuff like curved or 3d, but as far as resolution I don't think we will see many upgrades until at least 4 years. So IMO 1080 tvs will continue to sell as the cheap tvs of the next four years. Now w the push of VR, they might drop the hardware price of those sets to decent prices where now people could enjoy a huge screen on their head for cheap (when prices drop for the tech) like the PS4 VR headset can do. What might tank is 4k media tbh.

[PenguinMaster]

What would be the point? It seems like HDR is a more expensive technology than 4K resolution so if 1080p TVs with HDR existed they would be extremely close in price to 4K TVs with HDR.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by steve1971

Never gonna happen because HDR will be a UHD TV exclusive. To get HDR you are gonna have to buy a UHD TV sadly. HDR could work on 1080p tv's but the manufacturer's wont implement it because they want you to buy into 4K . For me that will never happen as long as my Sony KDL-55W900A keeps right on ticking and doing it's thing which it's still doing very very well. But again no. You aint gonna see any 1080p tv's with HDR.

No, it's because HDR is not part of the 1080p standard and neither is wide color gamut.

It would cause massive confusion to make either HDR or WCG part of the 1080p standard. IMO, it makes much more sense to save it for UHD.

The UHD alliance has developed a standard to use the name "Ultra HD Premium". The key parameters are as follows:
– Image Resolution: 3840×2160
– Color Bit Depth: 10-bit signal
– Color Palette (Wide Color Gamut)
– Signal Input: BT.2020 color representation
– Display Reproduction: More than 90% of P3 colors
– High Dynamic Range
– SMPTE ST2084 EOTF
– A combination of peak brightness and black level either:
More than 1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level
OR
More than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level

Distribution
Any distribution channel delivering the UHD Alliance content must support:
– Image Resolution: 3840×2160
– Color Bit Depth: Minimum 10-bit signal
– Color: BT.2020 color representation
– High Dynamic Range: SMPTE ST2084 EOTF

Content Master
The UHD Alliance Content Master must meet the following requirements:
– Image Resolution: 3840×2160
– Color Bit Depth: Minimum 10-bit signal
– Color: BT.2020 color representation
– High Dynamic Range: SMPTE ST2084 EOTF

The UHD Alliance recommends the following mastering display specifications:
– Display Reproduction: Minimum 100% of P3 colors
– Peak Brightness: More than 1000 nits
– Black Level: Less than 0.03 nits

The UHD Alliance technical specifications prioritize image quality and recommend support for next-generation audio.”

[HDTV1080P]

There are several ceiling mounted front projectors that have a 1080P light engine and they accept a HDCP 2.2 4K Ultra HD signal and downscale the image quality to 1080P (The reason is true 4K projectors are still very expensive for the average consumer). There are some native 720P flat panel screens that accept a 1080P/24 and/or 1080P/60 signal and downscales the image to 720P.

Most likely in the near future there will be some native 1080P flat panel screens that accept a HDCP 2.2 4K Ultra HD signal and downscales it to 1080P quality.

Now in the issue of HDR, the flat panel screen will need to have a HDMI 2.0a input with HDCP 2.2. It’s possible to make a 1080P flat panel screen with HDR, however once HDR is added there might not be any big price advantage over 1080P and 4K Ultra HD.

[LexInHD]

Sony quietly announced several HDR HDTVs - yes, you read that right - at CES 2017. They will be available later in the spring in the usual smaller sizes, so nothing "big". These are intended to be used with the PS4 Pro and Xbox One S consoles.

[karbon]

Originally Posted by slimdude

No! The HDR feature is only available on UHDTVs, and other 4K video equipment. Manufacturers could very well implement HDR on 1080p HDTVs also, but they're not going to do it because, it will deterred the consumers from buying the more expensive 4K TVs (that cost a lot more) and buy the cheaper 1080p HDTVs instead, then the companies will lose money and profit. To get HDR, you have to buy a UHDTV. That's how they get you!

lol. ehh. ok.

You do know that 4K hdr tv's are just as expensive as the 1080p tv's when they first came out? They are even cheaper.

So what you're trying to say is actually bs.

[karbon]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

Sony quietly announced several HDR HDTVs - yes, you read that right - at CES 2017. They will be available later in the spring in the usual smaller sizes, so nothing "big". These are intended to be used with the PS4 Pro and Xbox One S consoles.

Eh, yeah sure, if you consider 75" to be small!

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by karbon

lol. ehh. ok.

You do know that 4K hdr tv's are just as expensive as the 1080p tv's when they first came out? They are even cheaper.

So what you're trying to say is actually bs.

FYI, didn't you realize this thread is a year old Mr. Smarty Pants, or are you really that character in your avatar? From know on, think and look before you speak!

[karbon]

Originally Posted by slimdude

FYI, didn't you realize this thread is a year old Mr. Smarty Pants, or are you really that character in your avatar? From know on, think and look before you speak!

So? Your statement was and is still wrong. A 4K dsiplay a year ago was just as expensive/cheap as the 1080p displays when they came out.
If you want to diss 4K and HDR atleast get your facts straight before posting nonsense?

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by karbon

So? Your statement was and is still wrong. A 4K dsiplay a year ago was just as expensive/cheap as the 1080p displays when they came out.
If you want to diss 4K and HDR atleast get your facts straight before posting nonsense?

You're lying! 4K TVs were not cheap a year ago, and they are cheap, they're junk.

[CHASLS2]

There have been cheap 4k sets out for more than a year ago joe. I am sticking with my 60vt60 for another 2 to 3 years. Just nothing to see in 4k to bother, with my kind of viewing.

[steve1971]

I had a Samsung 4K/HDR tv for a whole 2 weeks and guess what? I took it back and got my money back and went back to my Sony 55inch W900A. I thought I was going to be blown away by the PQ and I wasnt, I thought watching 4K video's I was going to be blown away and I wasnt, and I thought watching Blu's upscaled to 4K would also look very good and to be honest they didnt look any different then they looked before. Then I had to decide if I wanted to change out some of my equipment for 4K? Answer was no because I have to much money invested into what I already have. So the tv was returned and I am gonna stay with what I have for maybe 2-3 years before I even think of going with a new tv and when that happens it will be OLED or a projection system. My W900A and the gear I have in my HT rig is running great and all I need to invest in is a subwoofer. So for the rest of 2017 I stay put with what I have. Just my 2 cents.

[JJ]

Color me as one of the folks who considers 4K w/ HDR as a fantastic, noticeable upgrade over 1080p.

I'll probably be on my 4th 4K/HDR display by the time the Sony OLED comes out, but that's the one worth waiting for, for sure.

Although it'll be eye-gougingly expensive.