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Old 10-12-2013, 10:06 AM   #1
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This is coming out on the 21st Jan next year by Twilight Time. its also been
showing on MGM HD.
Also the last movie filmed in Ultra Panavision 65mm and will be 2.76.1 as its only 2.35.1 on the DVD.

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Old 10-12-2013, 01:13 PM   #2
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This is coming out on the 21st Jan next year by Twilight Time. its also been
showing on MGM HD.
Also the last movie filmed in Ultra Panavision 65mm and will be 2.76.1 as its only 2.35.1 on the DVD.
That's good news, but I don't like it enough to pay $40 for it.
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Old 10-12-2013, 04:33 PM   #3
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Decent movie but i'm not going to pay their prices, i'll take my chances and hope it gets a release in Europe e.g. The Fury.
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UK disc review here...

https://www.avforums.com/review/khar...y-review.15578
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:14 PM   #5
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Thanks for the link, glad the visuals and audio are decent. I really have no interest in the reviewers thoughts on the movie itself, I am sure the great majority who are going to buy the blu-ray have made their own minds up.
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Old 12-01-2018, 11:54 PM   #6
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2.0. Doesn't say if it's stereo or mono (which is kinda important). Anyone?
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Old 12-02-2018, 02:29 AM   #7
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And a load of sanctimonious slops it is too, mainly concerned to parade the reviewer's superior social sensibilities with yards of politically correct hand-wringing, whilst of course never once managing to spell LAURENCE Olivier's name correctly, and committing nonsense like "It was the last film to be shot in 70mm (until Tarantino decided to change that)" to screen in evident blissful ignorance of Tron or Branagh's Hamlet amongst several others. Presumably the dozy bugger means "last film to be shot in Ultra Panavision 70" etc. but lacks the intelligence and/or literary skill to make the proper distinction. Jesus.....
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Old 12-02-2018, 04:55 AM   #8
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I agree. On virtually every review I skip the start where they debate the film, have no interest in their bias. I buy a film on disk because I know it so only need the technical review.

To many reviewers online think their review of the film rather than the disk is the most important part which is rubbish.
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And a load of sanctimonious slops it is too, mainly concerned to parade the reviewer's superior social sensibilities with yards of politically correct hand-wringing, whilst of course never once managing to spell LAURENCE Olivier's name correctly, and committing nonsense like "It was the last film to be shot in 70mm (until Tarantino decided to change that)" to screen in evident blissful ignorance of Tron or Branagh's Hamlet amongst several others. Presumably the dozy bugger means "last film to be shot in Ultra Panavision 70" etc. but lacks the intelligence and/or literary skill to make the proper distinction. Jesus.....
I agree, the reviewer seems most concerned above showing how on point they are.
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:50 AM   #10
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2.0. Doesn't say if it's stereo or mono (which is kinda important). Anyone?
HMV are stating that it's LPCM Stereo.
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Old 12-02-2018, 08:32 AM   #11
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From the review:

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it's appalling to see Lawrence Olivier... painted up as the Sudanese Arab, Mahdi...
The usual “opinion presented as fact” from the virtue-signalling fraternity. Appalling for whom? Not me, that’s for sure; I couldn’t give a shit.

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...affecting a dangerously insulting accent
Dangerously insulting? How is it dangerous? And to whom? Who exactly is in danger here?

That’s right: no one.

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Heston as the Jesus-like white saviour
In what way is General Gordon acting like Jesus? Again, more gibberish. But he got to use both white and Jesus in a sneering sentence, so that’s worth a lefty Brownie point.

I don’t usually read film reviews (just the a/v stuff) and if this badly-written, SJW bollocks is representative of them then I’m not missing anything. Although I suppose it’s good for a laugh in small doses.
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Old 12-02-2018, 04:12 PM   #12
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I look forward to the reviewer having a fit when reviewing Gunga Din, Rhodes of Africa, Lives of a Bengal Lancer and of course, Carry on up the Khyber.
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I'm not particularly interested in defending that review, because it's not that well written - although I agree with some of the sentiments - but the day when all reviews are just technical summations as some seem to pine for will be an extraordinarily dull one.

Opinions, ****holes etc. Of course it's that guy's opinion, it's his review. He's not going to take a straw poll.
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:20 PM   #14
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I think the biggest problem the review has is not so much the virtue signalling as the ignorance it shows of the morally compromised historical events the film does a pretty good job of dramatising considering the constraints of time and commercial considerations. It was one of those cases where a combination of good intentions, political expedience and flawed populists combined to create a perfect storm that backfired on everybody.

The real Charles Gordon makes T.E. Lawrence look like a perfectly well-adjusted young man. By comparison, Khartoum pulls back from some of the contradictions that make him such a fascinating and, at times, uncomfortable historical figure. 'Chinese' Gordon’s such a remarkable Victorian paradox that it would take a trilogy of films at least to do him justice, and not just because his military career was so wide reaching. A curious mixture of an almost Messianic inspired figure fired by a fiercely religious sense of purpose and a very disturbed man with a death wish that his published letters vaguely allude was due to some youthful sexual indiscretion that thoroughly revolted him but whose religious principles wouldn’t allow him to commit suicide (instead he chose to lead his men from the front while carrying only a swagger stick in the hope that someone would do the deed for him), it’s just as easy to see his decision to defend Khartoum as a disastrous – for the Sudanese – attempt to meet a noble end in a hopeless but noble cause as a genuinely heroic act of self-sacrifice intended to save lives. It’s not the only contradiction that the film, understandably for its era, is unable to confront.

Although hailed in the west for ending the slave trade in the Sudan, it was that very act and the huge damage it caused the Northern Sudanese economy that was one of the factors in the Mahdi’s rebellion gaining such popular support: the Mahdi used the misery its abolition caused as a rallying point to such a degree that Gordon was reluctantly forced to reinstate the trade to boost the economy and to gain the support of slave traders and their private armies on his return, something that proved too little too late and which the film diplomatically ignores (a film whose hero reinstates the slave trade released in the height of the era of civil rights movement would have been commercial suicide in the US).

The film was exhaustively researched (the research we actually published in a hardback book given to all the cast and crew), but the length of the film and what could be described as the political correctness of the day and the need to maintain audience sympathy forced some choices to be made for dramatic and commercial reasons. Yet Robert Ardrey’s literate Oscar-nominated screenplay is remarkably accurate in other ways despite the film’s relatively short running time for a roadshow epic. He manages to address the way Gordon confounded everyone around him - “He’s an idealist with ideals strictly his own,” a man so filled with contradictions that his life is not an open book even to him – and the way the British government mishandled the whole mess by sending the one person least likely to do what he was asked. Even his invented meeting between Gordon and the Mahdi draws on the two men’s letters where they did indeed try to convince each other of their divine sense of purpose. And it does address the fact that his legacy backfired on both him and Gladstone, who simply wanted a gesture to save his career and head off the imperialists.

As for Sir "Lawrence", well in some ways he is appalling, but not for the reasons the reviewer says. While Heston is excellent, Olivier still seems to be playing Othello, at times making you wonder if he only started the rebellion because his wife mislaid his favorite hankie. And yes, the lisp, while possibly accurate, feels like an affectation.

The success of Lawrence of Arabia was undoubtedly a factor in the film getting made, and like Lawrence in many ways it was ahead of its day in its criticism of the pitfalls of interfering in that neck of the woods, so it seems bizarre to criticise it as a celebration of racist colonial attitudes (and I love the implication that the author of The Territorial Imperative: A Personal Inquiry Into the Animal Origins of Property and Nations was a naive stick in the mud who just managed to pull off one good scene because he lucked into having two good actors rather than attracting good actors by the quality of his script). In its way, especially for its day, it's a pretty literate, intelligent anti-establishment epic about men rushing nations into disaster - all with the best intentions.

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HMV are stating that it's LPCM Stereo.
I hope that's the case. But there's often assumption made about whether 2.0 is dual mono or stereo and I want to be sure.
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This Disc is 2.0 Stereo the same as the Twilight Time and as the film was on
TV a few years ago in HD.
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I haven't watched Khartoum in a long, long time. But the review explaining about Olivier being painted up and having a "dangerously insulting" accent is just typical of the sort of comment you'd expect from a snowflake.

I just hope he doesn't get to watch a couple of Christopher Lee's films:

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The film is a product of its time. Anyone that can't appreciate that probably shouldn't be watching films of a certain age in the first place.

Must be hip to be a snowflake... Personally, I think they're fcukwits of the first magnitude that society can do without.
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I watched 1965's Gengis Khan recently - a gorgeous-looking restoration with the most sumptuous colour imaginable - shot just the year before Khartoum. In it, dear old Robert Morley plays the Emperor of China, whilst none other than James Mason plays his First Minister, Kam Ling (Omar Sharif does duty in the title role, with the equally exotic Jamuga played by Stephen Boyd). Let's hope the AV reviewer never gets to see this, because although Morley basically plays himself as a rubicund English civil servant without the remotest attempt at verisimilitude or Chinoiserie, Mason goes into overdrive, with enormous buck-teeth, eyes squeezed shut throughout, and a simpering "Ah So!" accent even Peter Sellers might have baulked at (and let's not forget his parade of Indian roles, in The Millionairess and The Party in particular).

It isn't my business to take offence on somebody else's behalf - that's their prerogative - much less to be seen to police sternly a bygone era's attitudes to race, culture, gender, the whole happy hunting ground of the PC Industry, principally (though usually covertly) to make myself look good. But I do have to say that it did rather undermine the film as a whole for me, because I genuinely couldn't stop laughing every time he came on screen. Compared to this, Sir Laurence's assumption in Khartoum is a model of subtlety and tact....
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He'd best steer clear of Breakfast at Tiffany's too, lest he combust with inner rage...

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