3D on Blu-ray

[runrdav]

Finished reading an article that indicates more movies will be coming out in 3D as well as 2D. Anyone have any idea if the 3D versions are planned for release on Blu-Ray? If yes, any idea of the cost for the glasses (whatever) in order to view 3D.

Thanks

[Chevypower]

This subject has been done over and over, but until you can buy 3D TVs (with polarized glasses), you can only watch an anaglyphic 3D version on today's TVs. I would rather watch a nice 2D version than seeing no full colors through red/green cellophane. I had a 30 second look at the Hannah Montana concert through red/green, and was not impressed.

[neos_peace]

I must agree wiht you on that as well. I atched about 10 min worth of the TV show wiht my 8yr daughter and I I was even more disappointed then I thought I would have. But I would say that give it time and they wil come out wiht a better bluray version for 3d look at everything else something good comes out other things come along to completment it as well. (I could be very wrong bout that but its just a thought)

[Beta-guy]

I love the polarized glasses 3D you get color and 3D. I saw journey to the center of the earth, and it was great. why can't I watch polarized 3D on an ol' HDTV?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Beta-guy

I love the polarized glasses 3D you get color and 3D. I saw journey to the center of the earth, and it was great. why can't I watch polarized 3D on an ol' HDTV?

How would you alternate the polarization of the light from a HDTV display?

Projected 3D uses two synchronized projectors with polarizing lenses. So, the polarized light from the two frames both bounce off the screen, but only the one intended for the appropriate eye gets through the lens.

HDTV schemes involve special glasses with LCD shuttering (clear/blocked alternating). And that requires precise synchronization with the alternating frames. That synchronization is obviously best handled by the device displaying the data. Delays and drift would be an issue for a player to control it.

Gary

[fragile-reality]

Originally Posted by Beta-guy

why can't I watch polarized 3D on an ol' HDTV?

Well you can of course. But that's the point. Who has an old hdtv? Everyone who had a crt has most likely upgraded to a flat panel. Progessive scan is the killer. It needs an interlaced signal. Newer hdtvs it just won't work (well except the couple that have just come out that are actually 3d ready that is).

I saw a 36" crt hdtv at a local pawn shop a couple days ago for cheap. Was thinking of picking it up to check out some 3d titles.

[Anthony P]

This subject has been done over and over, but until you can buy 3D TVs (with polarized glasses), you can only watch an anaglyphic 3D version on today's TVs. I would rather watch a nice 2D version than seeing no full colors through red/green cellophane. I had a 30 second look at the Hannah Montana concert through red/green, and was not impressed.

that is not true. 3D can be done in different fashion and those are not the only two. For example Samsungs and Mitsubishis 3D ready TVs are build to refresh at 120hz and the 3d uses that and timing with each second field going to a different eye. (i.e. 60hz/eye)

[Anthony P]

Finished reading an article that indicates more movies will be coming out in 3D as well as 2D. Anyone have any idea if the 3D versions are planned for release on Blu-Ray? If yes, any idea of the cost for the glasses (whatever) in order to view 3D.

right now there isn't one, some of us want BD to create and adopt a new 3D profile (there was a whole thread on it). So anyone can do what they want, the same way as they can do what they want with DVD.

[bhampton]

Quote "Everyone who had a crt has most likely upgraded to a flat panel."

Loving my CRT Front Projector here. A flat panel would not be an "upgrade."

May get something non CRT eventually like a sxrd projector but I've been loving CRT Front Projectors since 1999 and they just keep getting better (via newer devices for interfacing with HDMI and stuff.)

-Brian

p.s. I would like to check out the 3d blu ray coming out tomorrow but just for the 3d part and Netflix won't send the glasses. (I guess maybe I can find some old red-blue glasses now that I come to think of it.... maybe I will put it in the que.)

[darkblueme]

I have a 61" Samsung LED DLP HDTV that boasts "3D READY" on the front panel. Does that mean anything?

[bhampton]

Yep,

It exists and is 3 dimensional at all times.


=Brian

[LynxFX]

The 3D lcd's that I've seen in a few theater lobbies are pretty cool. No glasses needed. Screen does all the work. May have been made by Sharp. Not sure what is required as the source, but they were looping trailers for their upcoming 3d films like Journey.

[4K2K]

The BDA has been looking at 3d:
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1693

So 3d might mean a new profile.
So if this article is something to do with the meeting of the SMPTE ON 19th August, http://www.smpte.org/news/pr/view?it...5bff3f49b31d3d

Why is it taking so long for a standard to be set?, and if existing 2d movies can be converted into 3d as some people are doing, why can't we have a player that can do this automatically? When will we have players that give us options on what type of 3d to output eg. anaglyph or better types?

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by 4K2K

So 3d might mean a new profile.
So if this article is something to do with the meeting of the SMPTE ON 19th August, http://www.smpte.org/news/pr/view?it...5bff3f49b31d3d

Why is it taking so long for a standard to be set?, and if existing 2d movies can be converted into 3d as some people are doing, why can't we have a player that can do this automatically? When will we have players that give us options on what type of 3d to output eg. anaglyph or better types?

To do 3d in the best possible ways will DEFINITELY mean a new profile, as 1080i48/1080p48 aren't part of the BD spec. There's several ways to include 3d on Blu-ray discs, but ideally, you'd want to keep the correct framerate, and actually have separate full resolution (or close to it) streams stored for each eye. Then, during playback, the player/TV/3d "adapter" can make use of both streams to present the 3d video stream using whatever method(s) your setup allows -- while simultaneously preserving a native 2d version within one of the streams.

(Fair warning: I am NOT AT ALL an expert on 3d video presentation, so the above is just my current opinion and may be completely wrong for all I know.)

As to your question on setting a standard... no major CEs have really pushed for a 3d home video format since VHD (as far as I can remember), and while several interesting ideas are being developed at the moment, no one seems to have any idea if one (or more) will become any kind of a standard. That's mainly why I think the best idea is to develop a new profile capable of transmitting 1080p48 (1080p24 per eye) and leaving it to the consumer's equipment to correctly handle creating the 3d image. Of course, that requires new players, and ones with quite a bit of processing power to handle the various 3d output methods, but I really don't see any major push toward a standard in the near future. As far as taking a 2d video stream and creating a 3d stream from it, Mitsubishi has demo'd a player that does just that, but I haven't seen it in action and can't comment on how well the technology works. I would assume, though, that its every bit as much of a myth as Toshiba getting Blu-ray level detail out of DVDs. In both cases, its not a matter of processing power, but one of not having the necessary information available to really "do it right."

[quexos]

Originally Posted by Chevypower

This subject has been done over and over, but until you can buy 3D TVs (with polarized glasses), you can only watch an anaglyphic 3D version on today's TVs. I would rather watch a nice 2D version than seeing no full colors through red/green cellophane. I had a 30 second look at the Hannah Montana concert through red/green, and was not impressed.

To me the 3D of Pixar-like animation is good enough for now. The old 3D effects with the blue/red paper glasses was downright painful to my eyes. Of course I still have to see how future 3D technologies will look and feel like

[TheJesus]

I don't know much about 3D, nor have I done any research on it. I did go to a 3D movie at an IMAX a couple years back and the glasses they gave us were not red and blue, they were clear.

The movie was James Cameron's "Ghosts of the Abyss." The 3D effect was incredible, i've never experienced anything else like it.

[rragland]

Originally Posted by Chevypower

This subject has been done over and over, but until you can buy 3D TVs (with polarized glasses), you can only watch an anaglyphic 3D version on today's TVs. I would rather watch a nice 2D version than seeing no full colors through red/green cellophane. I had a 30 second look at the Hannah Montana concert through red/green, and was not impressed.

Agreed, it deteriorated the Blu-ray exeperience.

[Anthony P]

There's several ways to include 3d on Blu-ray discs, but ideally, you'd want to keep the correct framerate, and actually have separate full resolution (or close to it) streams stored for each eye.

Yup, that is why some of us nuts on AV boards think that they should use the natural capabilities of BD to its max. Because of Bonus view BD is created with the ability of two simultaneous video streams. So a BD 3D disk would be a disk where the "bonus view" would be 1080p and full screen and a BD 3D player a player that does something with those 3D images (it almost does not need anything more except defining which is the left and which is the right image*. Any 2D player (like any none -bonus view player) would just not pay attention to the second video stream.

* for example a manufacturer could build a player where the images are colour shifted to be used with red/blue glasses, someone else could build a player that interlaces the two pics to be played on those 3D compatible TVs, someone else could build a player with two HDMI out where the two HDMI are either sent to a two HDMI in device (for each eye) or to two projectors with polarized lenses. Or any could 3D display innovation that is eventually created. In essence you are not tied in to today’s tech and 3D capabilities.


Note: obviously a 3D player would need to be more supped up then today’s bonus view players, since I don't think they have been built to do 2 1080p streams where the combined video <=40mbps

[SilverBullet007]

Originally Posted by fragile-reality

Well you can of course. But that's the point. Who has an old hdtv? Everyone who had a crt has most likely upgraded to a flat panel. Progessive scan is the killer. It needs an interlaced signal. Newer hdtvs it just won't work (well except the couple that have just come out that are actually 3d ready that is).

I saw a 36" crt hdtv at a local pawn shop a couple days ago for cheap. Was thinking of picking it up to check out some 3d titles.

wont this problem be fixed if they release in 1080I not P?

[AcePunK]

Originally Posted by darkblueme

I have a 61" Samsung LED DLP HDTV that boasts "3D READY" on the front panel. Does that mean anything?

ya it means you can watch it from sitting to the left center and right of the tv