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[LordoftheRings]

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[LordoftheRings]

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[NARMAK]

These stupid branding terms have honestly diluted and confused the market for technology.

CRT was the original followed up by LCD, then Plasma alongside it for most folks before dying out circa 2009/10. LCD then evolved the tech with full array local dimming and got called FALD i believe before there was edge lit LCDs and then better FALDs with much more substantial dimming zones using smaller LED components and then they got a quantum dot filter and Samsung decided to use QLED.

Whilst all this is going on with LCD, the OLED tech had matured and finally entered the market before LG helped it go en masse through their WOLED production methods. Now we also have QD OLEDs and are probably going to see another spin eventually.

It's just a really stupid and confusing market and i think manufacturers are happy to also have that

[LordoftheRings]

I don't know man; I just follow the tech where it leads.
I'm constantly searching for new stuff.
I get extremely bored with old stuff.

This QDEL thing sounds real solid, like chrome steel chopper.

We stay tuned because movies matter.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I don't know man; I just follow the tech where it leads.
I'm constantly searching for new stuff.
I get extremely bored with old stuff.

This QDEL thing sounds real solid, like chrome steel chopper.

We stay tuned because movies matter.

Don't get me wrong, chasing the holy grail of image tech is definitely something i love reading up on as much as the next nerd, but it's kind of funny that we had CRT which pretty much gave us this perfect motion resolution without any of the issues modern tech had. LCD had sample and hold, marred with ghosting/streaking issues. Plasma was probably the best modern tech for flat screens in terms of motion handling but also did have such issues associated with the tech that some people were perceptible to as well as of course the burn in potential just like OLED had. Finally we get to OLED and however whilst it had the potential i would have felt to have the best motion handling due to the fastest refresh times of the panel, they use sample and hold like LCD and also have issues with judder that had to be compensated for over time.

The perfect 2D TV doesn't exist yet but i hope i get to see it in my lifetime with perfect colour volume saturation, motion handling, perfect blacks and dare i aim for the 4K nits that the majority of HDR content is mastered in. I know we have some with up to 10k nits going commercial if they haven't on the LCD front, but the OLEDs are tapped out this year once calibrated to around 1800 or so nits. Under 2k i believe.

The truth is, the TV companies prefer to dip feed tech advances to keep the revenue flowing much like pharmaceutical companies have incentive to trickle down the most effective drugs so as to keep a hold on the market with patents topping up their gravy train for an "innovation" once the original is close to expiry.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

The perfect 2D TV doesn't exist yet but i hope i get to see it in my lifetime with perfect colour volume saturation, motion handling, perfect blacks and dare i aim for the 4K nits that the majority of HDR content is mastered in.

Hopefully they will, but 4,000 nits doesn't really have consumer marketability. They've been force-fed HDR and Dolby Vision with displays that are terrible for years.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by chip75

Hopefully they will, but 4,000 nits doesn't really have consumer marketability. They've been force-fed HDR and Dolby Vision with displays that are terrible for years.

Yeah, unfortunately for Joe Public that's always been the case. They literally wouldn't sometimes tell a difference even if it slaps them in the face because they're so used to certain things. Luckily as an enthusiast you know what to look out for and the main reason i would love to see 4K nits is because it will actually be the lowest HDR that's truly impactful to seeing the full intent from HDR.

That said, HDR wasn't a thing before and they artificially had to introduce it and for directors that were alive, go back to request their assistance with mastering HDR elements. Which is why some movies don't look much brighter/better than blu ray with HDR.

Either way, brightness when properly calibrated seems to have an incredibly impactful effect on the picture which even on a side by side with say a C3 and a G3 you could easily tell the difference on a YouTube video even.

[Hitman Horton]

Electronics companies will always be working on the next, better version. Why? Some people will always buy the newest technology just because it's new. I'm happy with 5.1 and blu-ray. I spend my money on music and movies.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Hitman Horton

Electronics companies will always be working on the next, better version. Why? Some people will always buy the newest technology just because it's new. I'm happy with 5.1 and blu-ray. I spend my money on music and movies.

For me, i wait a while before i purchase again but without those consumers willing to buy year on year, i wonder if it would create an incentive to space out new releases. Like for example, GPUs come out every 2-4 years as a refreshed upgrade with a notable improvement. In TVs its usually incremental and similar imo to the smartphone space too.

Either way, i keep my TV for like 8-10 years before upgrading so hopefully when i next upgrade it gives a great bump. Especially since my 2020 model was before they added the heatsink and other MLA tech on the LG side and before QD OLED came to play as competition which imo is actually the real reason LG had a fire lit under their backside to produce much better TVs quicker than they probably would have released year on year.

QDEL or whatever this particular tech ends up being hopefully comes to market and scales well, but i remember reading about OLEDs way, way back and it took over a decade for it to like finally come to market anywhere close to a proper TV size and only then was it the WOLED technique LG had that helped fuel its market entry to the more mainstream sizes.

If you have to guess, it's probably another 10+ years before this tech would first commercially release to consumers and even then need to be more widely adopted.. In the meantime, Micro LEDs with quantum dots looks like it could be vying for the mainstream market much sooner with larger screen sizes already shown off. Sony adopting their own tech for 2024s flagship and not a QD OLED.

I like keeping up with tech as its nice to see improvements, but my cynical side is that these companies deliberately hold back and drip feed incrementally so as to extract as much money as possible and play the patent systems.

[LexInHD]

The only thing really holding QDEL (NanoLED) back, is the Blue Light problem, which is also shared by OLED. Blue Light equals high-energy usage, which also equals reduced display element endurance and panel decay. All the QDEL demo units give a middling picture because they can't have the panel tech work at competitive OLED-killer levels, without fixing that problem of endurance. It's here-and-now competitor, microLED, doesn't have that problem, but it's one and only problem is complex manufacturing processes, which means low yields and high prices, making it a premium product, as OLED was years ago.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

The only thing really holding QDEL (NanoLED) back, is the Blue Light problem, which is also shared by OLED. Blue Light equals high-energy usage, which also equals reduced display element endurance and panel decay. All the QDEL demo units give a middling picture because they can't have the panel tech work at competitive OLED-killer levels, without fixing that problem of endurance. It's here-and-now competitor, microLED, doesn't have that problem, but it's one and only problem is complex manufacturing processes, which means low yields and high prices, making it a premium product, as OLED was years ago.

Constant R&D will be done and they usually have a solution that's able to fix the problem to a large degree but then when factoring in the need to get it ready at a mass production level, the processes and costs probably become too high. They'll more than likely keep tweaking things but i don't mind.

I'd love to see something better come along to eliminate all the various issues with the multiple display techs we had and really rule the roost as the best premium TV tech.