Lukas Moodysson - 4 films on Blu-ray - Blu-ray Forum

hm83 · 05-03-2021, 06:29 PM

Four movies from director Lukas Moodysson will be released on Blu-ray by SF Studios in august 2021. ”****ing Åmål”, ”Tillsammans”, ”Lilja 4 ever” and ”Vi är bäst” (re-release). This is great news. I’ve been waiting for them to give us more Swedish and Nordic movies on Blu-ray. They are sitting on a vast library and I wish they would do more frequent releases.

https://www.discshop.se/filmer/blura...lu_ray/P173270

https://www.discshop.se/filmer/blura...lu_ray/P173271

https://www.discshop.se/filmer/blura...lu_ray/P173272

https://www.discshop.se/filmer/blura...lu_ray/P119444

israels · 05-03-2021, 06:55 PM

About ****ing time!

Bugg · 05-03-2021, 07:07 PM

No eng subs for Show Me Love?

Surge92 · 05-03-2021, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugg

No eng subs for Show Me Love?

That sucks, but I'm glad Lilja 4-Ever, the better one of the two, has them.

Jompa · 05-03-2021, 09:27 PM

I'm interested in "F%cking Åmål". I don't need English subtitles. I understand Swedish.

DeadLikeMe · 05-17-2021, 09:23 PM

Was hoping some international boutique label would acquire the rights for these, because you know SF will give it minimum effort, probably with zero extras. But at least they have priced them accordingly and I'm glad they are finally released.

hm83 · 06-05-2021, 11:56 AM

hm83 · 06-14-2021, 04:51 PM

These are apparently part of new line called the Memfis Film Collection. Also on the way: Zozo, Farväl Falkenberg and Den Bästa Sommaren with hopefully more to come.

It’s a bit weird that according to the back covers at least some of these will be 1080i instead of 1080p. Have sent an e-mail to SF and asked about this.

israels · 06-14-2021, 05:16 PM

Looks like 25fps, the runtimes are 4% shorter.

magnusbe · 06-15-2021, 06:30 PM

I appreciate the pricing, but does this mean not a lot of resources have gone into remastering?

nissling · 07-10-2021, 11:23 PM

Quite the opposite actually. Many Swedish films are restored by the Swedish Film Institute which are financed by the government. Once a film is finished, the copyright holder can get the finished master (or raw scans) for just a small handeling fee. Their restoration process is very good and stay very true to the creator's intent.

Basically these films have been restored without Memfis or SF Studios paying a single penny. Tillsammans is even restored in 4K. It is however strange that they are supposedly stored in 1080/25PsF. SF Studios released all of Åberg's films in 1080/24p.

hm83 · 07-11-2021, 06:58 AM

It’s a little bit strange indeed. Could it be that these are HD masters made for Television that they now release on disc? I bet they will still look good and much better than the old DVD’s, but it’s a shame if they could have been made to look even better.

wesslan · 08-21-2021, 11:00 AM

****ing Åmål and Lilja Forever indeed 25fps:
MPEG-4 AVC Video 1080i / 25 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

nissling · 08-23-2021, 09:14 AM

Who can say no to Gyllene Tider and ABBA with 4% higher pitch?

hm83 · 08-24-2021, 05:29 PM

Just watched ****ing Åmål / Show Me Love. Even though it is 1080i and 25 fps, it is still a big upgrade over the old DVD. Far from perfect but that could be a limitation of the source.

nissling · 08-26-2021, 10:04 PM

Got all of them except Vi är bäst and tried them out tonight. As previously stated they're all in 1080/25PsF.

There's a lot to say about ****ing Åmål in a technical standpoint. The film was shot on reversal Super 16 and cross-developed as ECN-2. This set the base tone to the entire film with a very gritty, often yellowish look. Also the film is essentially shot in non-ideal conditions on purpose and often use zooms without compensating the aperture for the exposure, making it a mixed bag. I remember talking to its colorist (Tomas Barkenäs) and he was pretty surprised just how much work went into the color timing when it was originally made.

It should be noted that SFI made two separate masters from the restoration, one of which was done for DCP with all grain intact and the other for streaming which had far more noise reduction to circumvent compression artifacts. This kind of makes sense as some streaming services may have encoding algorithms that are far from optimized for cross-developed 16mm but on Blu-Ray it should fare better. Only problem is... They used the DNR'd master here. I saw the DCP when it premiered back in 2017 and it looked glorious. Now grain is still apparent and detail as well, but the grain structure looks kind of like syrup. It changes slowly and gives a smeary look. Considering tho how bad the DVDs were, this is still a major upgrade but still flawed and a disappoitment to me.

While ****ing Åmål may fare a bit short, Tillsammans looks overall fantastic. As mentioned earlier it was scanned and restored in 4K, and it shows. Sharpness is excellent and color grading just wonderful. It always have great contrast and show good shadow detail. Optical effects are common but still look decent, just a little bit softer. Grain is present throughout the film and is very fine too. My only complain is that some scenes had some encoding artifacts, especially visible on the red walls in opening scene, but I believe it's partly due to the video being interlaced.

Lilja 4-Ever also looks very good, just not as striking as Tillsammans. Detail and textures are always present. Grain is fine and color grading is very suited for the film (mostly muted, greyish tones). Didn't find the encoding to be annoying neither so that's welcome. In one scene however (when Lilja dreams about the boy) I saw some very obvious ringing but again this seemed to have been a scene with an optical effect of some sort so it's most likely baked into the source elements.

Regardless I do overall find these to be solid releases in terms of their video quality despite ****ing Åmål not living up to my expectations. It is a big improvement nonetheless, but it's hard for me to see it as anything but a lost cause. Tillsammans is still my favorite of his films and I was very happy to see it in a very respectable presentation. Lack of extras may put some people off, but prices considered they're worth it if you find the films to be interesting.

useless watcher · 08-27-2021, 05:01 AM

I’m hoping that Arrow is working on a release of these films… their big calendar of clues had an “LM boxset” set for the summer when it was first posted, which never materialized and was absent from a subsequent iteration of the list. I asked about it on Twitter and they said the “LM box” has been delayed.

If the “LM” is indeed for Lukas Moodysson, I wonder if that would be a chance to correct some of these issues? Slowing them down to 24fps would theoretically be possible (….right?) Could that explain the delay? And I’m sure they’d rather release the DCP master for F*cking Åmål if given the choice; I just hope whoever would be providing the masters would know to present that option, since I have no idea if preparing multiple masters with different grain treatments is common enough that a third party label would know to ask as a matter of course.

nissling · 08-27-2021, 07:50 AM

I don't think SFI have otherwise ever made two individual masters from the same restoration so this is a very rare bird indeed. Either way I doubt that Arrow would tolerate the DNR of the distribution master. All of them are originally restored at 24fps so it's SF Studios that made the PAL speedup, thus Arrow wouldn't have any problems releasing them at 24/23.976p.

This is all, of course, if Arrow is indeed planning to release a Lukas Moodysson box set. Seems a bit out of place imho but still welcome.

useless watcher · 08-27-2021, 06:45 PM

Right — certainly a long shot and I’m sure it’s more likely someone like Lucky McKee, if the initials are even a person’s name — but the timely appearance of these new restorations made me hopeful.

nissling · 09-01-2021, 07:12 AM

Managed to get you some screenshots.

****ing Åmål - Looks really smeary upon further inspection. Also the banding in cap #4 is very apparent. A letdown. Will see if I can dig up the old Sandrews DVD at some point.

[Show spoiler]

Tillsammans - Overall very good with really fine detail and grading. No DNR whatsoever and acceptable encode. Some CUE may occur due to the interlaced video but still a really nice release.

[Show spoiler]

Could probably get some caps from Lilja 4-Ever.

05-03-2021, 06:29 PM	#1
hm83 Active Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2018	Lukas Moodysson - 4 films on Blu-ray Four movies from director Lukas Moodysson will be released on Blu-ray by SF Studios in august 2021. ”****ing Åmål”, ”Tillsammans”, ”Lilja 4 ever” and ”Vi är bäst” (re-release). This is great news. I’ve been waiting for them to give us more Swedish and Nordic movies on Blu-ray. They are sitting on a vast library and I wish they would do more frequent releases. https://www.discshop.se/filmer/blura...lu_ray/P173270 https://www.discshop.se/filmer/blura...lu_ray/P173271 https://www.discshop.se/filmer/blura...lu_ray/P173272 https://www.discshop.se/filmer/blura...lu_ray/P119444

05-03-2021, 09:27 PM	#5
Jompa Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Aug 2010 Location:Bodø, Norway 4K collection:201 Blu-ray collection:880 Blu-ray reviews:78	I'm interested in "F%cking Åmål". I don't need English subtitles. I understand Swedish. Last edited by Jompa; 05-04-2021 at 10:47 AM.

05-03-2021, 06:55 PM	#2
israels Active Member Member since:Jul 2011 Location:Sweden	About ****ing time!

05-03-2021, 07:07 PM	#3
Bugg Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Nov 2008 4K collection:753 Blu-ray collection:1931 DVD collection:145	No eng subs for Show Me Love?

05-17-2021, 09:23 PM	#6
DeadLikeMe Active Member Top contributor Member since:Nov 2013 4K collection:144 Blu-ray collection:419 DVD collection:12	Was hoping some international boutique label would acquire the rights for these, because you know SF will give it minimum effort, probably with zero extras. But at least they have priced them accordingly and I'm glad they are finally released.

06-05-2021, 11:56 AM	#7
hm83 Active Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2018

06-14-2021, 04:51 PM	#8
hm83 Active Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2018	These are apparently part of new line called the Memfis Film Collection. Also on the way: Zozo, Farväl Falkenberg and Den Bästa Sommaren with hopefully more to come. It’s a bit weird that according to the back covers at least some of these will be 1080i instead of 1080p. Have sent an e-mail to SF and asked about this.

06-14-2021, 05:16 PM	#9
israels Active Member Member since:Jul 2011 Location:Sweden	Looks like 25fps, the runtimes are 4% shorter.

06-15-2021, 06:30 PM	#10
magnusbe Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2021 Location:Moss, Norway 4K collection:255 Blu-ray collection:1564 DVD collection:615 Digital collection:4 iTunes collection:1 Trading Score:3	I appreciate the pricing, but does this mean not a lot of resources have gone into remastering?

07-10-2021, 11:23 PM	#11
nissling Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2012 Location:Stockholm, Sweden 4K collection:449 Blu-ray collection:1850 DVD collection:28	Quite the opposite actually. Many Swedish films are restored by the Swedish Film Institute which are financed by the government. Once a film is finished, the copyright holder can get the finished master (or raw scans) for just a small handeling fee. Their restoration process is very good and stay very true to the creator's intent. Basically these films have been restored without Memfis or SF Studios paying a single penny. Tillsammans is even restored in 4K. It is however strange that they are supposedly stored in 1080/25PsF. SF Studios released all of Åberg's films in 1080/24p.

07-11-2021, 06:58 AM	#12
hm83 Active Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2018	It’s a little bit strange indeed. Could it be that these are HD masters made for Television that they now release on disc? I bet they will still look good and much better than the old DVD’s, but it’s a shame if they could have been made to look even better.

08-21-2021, 11:00 AM	#13
wesslan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2010 Location:Sweden Blu-ray reviews:1	**ing Åmål and Lilja Forever indeed 25fps: MPEG-4 AVC Video 1080i / 25 fps** / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

08-23-2021, 09:14 AM	#14
nissling Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2012 Location:Stockholm, Sweden 4K collection:449 Blu-ray collection:1850 DVD collection:28	Who can say no to Gyllene Tider and ABBA with 4% higher pitch?

08-24-2021, 05:29 PM	#15
hm83 Active Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2018	Just watched ****ing Åmål / Show Me Love. Even though it is 1080i and 25 fps, it is still a big upgrade over the old DVD. Far from perfect but that could be a limitation of the source.

08-26-2021, 10:04 PM	#16
nissling Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2012 Location:Stockholm, Sweden 4K collection:449 Blu-ray collection:1850 DVD collection:28	Got all of them except Vi är bäst and tried them out tonight. As previously stated they're all in 1080/25PsF. There's a lot to say about **ing Åmål in a technical standpoint. The film was shot on reversal Super 16 and cross-developed as ECN-2. This set the base tone to the entire film with a very gritty, often yellowish look. Also the film is essentially shot in non-ideal conditions on purpose and often use zooms without compensating the aperture for the exposure, making it a mixed bag. I remember talking to its colorist (Tomas Barkenäs) and he was pretty surprised just how much work went into the color timing when it was originally made. It should be noted that SFI made two separate masters from the restoration, one of which was done for DCP with all grain intact and the other for streaming which had far more noise reduction to circumvent compression artifacts. This kind of makes sense as some streaming services may have encoding algorithms that are far from optimized for cross-developed 16mm but on Blu-Ray it should fare better. Only problem is... They used the DNR'd master here. I saw the DCP when it premiered back in 2017 and it looked glorious. Now grain is still apparent and detail as well, but the grain structure looks kind of like syrup. It changes slowly and gives a smeary look. Considering tho how bad the DVDs were, this is still a major upgrade but still flawed and a disappoitment to me. While ing Åmål may fare a bit short, Tillsammans looks overall fantastic. As mentioned earlier it was scanned and restored in 4K, and it shows. Sharpness is excellent and color grading just wonderful. It always have great contrast and show good shadow detail. Optical effects are common but still look decent, just a little bit softer. Grain is present throughout the film and is very fine too. My only complain is that some scenes had some encoding artifacts, especially visible on the red walls in opening scene, but I believe it's partly due to the video being interlaced. Lilja 4-Ever also looks very good, just not as striking as Tillsammans. Detail and textures are always present. Grain is fine and color grading is very suited for the film (mostly muted, greyish tones). Didn't find the encoding to be annoying neither so that's welcome. In one scene however (when Lilja dreams about the boy) I saw some very obvious ringing but again this seemed to have been a scene with an optical effect of some sort so it's most likely baked into the source elements. Regardless I do overall find these to be solid releases in terms of their video quality despite **ing Åmål not living up to my expectations. It is a big improvement nonetheless, but it's hard for me to see it as anything but a lost cause. Tillsammans is still my favorite of his films and I was very happy to see it in a very respectable presentation. Lack of extras may put some people off, but prices considered they're worth it if you find the films to be interesting.

08-27-2021, 05:01 AM	#17
useless watcher Active Member Member since:Jun 2021	I’m hoping that Arrow is working on a release of these films… their big calendar of clues had an “LM boxset” set for the summer when it was first posted, which never materialized and was absent from a subsequent iteration of the list. I asked about it on Twitter and they said the “LM box” has been delayed. If the “LM” is indeed for Lukas Moodysson, I wonder if that would be a chance to correct some of these issues? Slowing them down to 24fps would theoretically be possible (….right?) Could that explain the delay? And I’m sure they’d rather release the DCP master for F*cking Åmål if given the choice; I just hope whoever would be providing the masters would know to present that option, since I have no idea if preparing multiple masters with different grain treatments is common enough that a third party label would know to ask as a matter of course.

08-27-2021, 07:50 AM	#18
nissling Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2012 Location:Stockholm, Sweden 4K collection:449 Blu-ray collection:1850 DVD collection:28	I don't think SFI have otherwise ever made two individual masters from the same restoration so this is a very rare bird indeed. Either way I doubt that Arrow would tolerate the DNR of the distribution master. All of them are originally restored at 24fps so it's SF Studios that made the PAL speedup, thus Arrow wouldn't have any problems releasing them at 24/23.976p. This is all, of course, if Arrow is indeed planning to release a Lukas Moodysson box set. Seems a bit out of place imho but still welcome.

08-27-2021, 06:45 PM	#19
useless watcher Active Member Member since:Jun 2021	Right — certainly a long shot and I’m sure it’s more likely someone like Lucky McKee, if the initials are even a person’s name — but the timely appearance of these new restorations made me hopeful.

09-01-2021, 07:12 AM	#20
nissling Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2012 Location:Stockholm, Sweden 4K collection:449 Blu-ray collection:1850 DVD collection:28	Managed to get you some screenshots. ****ing Åmål - Looks really smeary upon further inspection. Also the banding in cap #4 is very apparent. A letdown. Will see if I can dig up the old Sandrews DVD at some point. [Show spoiler] Tillsammans - Overall very good with really fine detail and grading. No DNR whatsoever and acceptable encode. Some CUE may occur due to the interlaced video but still a really nice release. [Show spoiler] Could probably get some caps from Lilja 4-Ever.

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