8K TV's expected to be in 72M households by 2025

[tjritter79]

https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/8k...eholds-by-2025

"In its report, "Ultra High Definition TV Displays: Global Market Forecast 2012-2025," Strategy Analytics predicts that 8K TVs, which provide approximately twice the resolution of the current 4K TVs that dominate the marketplace, will reside in 72 million households worldwide by 2025. This would be a massive jump from the relatively paltry sales of 350,000 globally in 2020."

[noirjunkie]

This will not happen.

[rocknblues81]

Originally Posted by noirjunkie

This will not happen.

Agreed.

[Better in Blu]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

Agreed.

No content for 8k. Living in a dream world

[tjritter79]

Originally Posted by Better in Blu

No content for 8k. Living in a dream world

When 4K TV's came out, there was no content at the time for it either.
The Olympics is expected to be a springboard in Asia for 8K content, the mere fact that because we're not seeing content yet is not an indicator of future success.

....If you build it....they will come...

Now, will it be dominant? Certainly not! Globally they expect 72M with 25M of those in the U.S. The prices will HAVE to be lower and the screens a LOT smaller for that to happen...but that's in 4 years too.

What did 4K sets do in the marketplace in 4 years? They went from no content to nearly the default choice because 4K sets were cheaper and had more features then their HD counterparts...for 8K to generate these numbers above it only takes a fraction of that acceptance.

[SpartanJGE]

Originally Posted by tjritter79

When 4K TV's came out, there was no content at the time for it either.
The Olympics is expected to be a springboard in Asia for 8K content, the mere fact that because we're not seeing content yet is not an indicator of future success.

....If you build it....they will come...

Now, will it be dominant? Certainly not! Globally they expect 72M with 25M of those in the U.S. The prices will HAVE to be lower and the screens a LOT smaller for that to happen...but that's in 4 years too.

What did 4K sets do in the marketplace in 4 years? They went from no content to nearly the default choice because 4K sets were cheaper and had more features then their HD counterparts...for 8K to generate these numbers above it only takes a fraction of that acceptance.

Agreed. Although, that 72M number seems high at this point. At the rate they're going, even half that number would be somewhat impressive. They're WAY to expensive for any mainstream acceptance, and I just don't see the price dropping enough in that time frame. Plus the average consumer just doesn't seem to care. I still talk to so many people that don't see the need to even get a 4k screen. But if they were to extend their time frame to closer to 2030, they may be on to something. Eventually they will come down and then will probably be the dominant format if that's even still the way we mostly consume video content by that point. As for me, I love physical media, and I can see myself having an 8k tv at some point around that 2025 or so time frame, especially if they're priced similarly to what the nicer 4k screens go for now.

[Synchg]

apart for gaming, i dont see any reason to get a 8K tv. upscaling can suck deez nutz.

[oddbox83]

Remember what happened with 4K? Those of us who had “future proof” 4K stuff got lamped with HDCP and new HDMI specs.

Anyone buying 8k now for future content is a fool parting with his money. Those buying 8k just because they like the TV, well good luck to them because that’s what it’s for. To watch now and upscale.

If I seem bitter, it’s because I’m one of those fools who bought a 4K ready receiver several years ago thinking it would do me for many years but in reality could only be worked around when I finally got a 4K player. At least most 4K players have dual HDMI to make work arounds easier because we are many! Though I have another receiver that doesn’t need that now anyway. It’s just an endless upgrade game for the future and I’ve learnt the lesson - buy to enjoy now, because future proofing in AV gear is a fools game. As I say, 8k TVs are ideal for those who want to view upscaled to 8k now, not what they’ll be watching in 2025.

[pixelperfectcolor]

I have to wonder if people will respond to 8K televisions like people responded to Super Audio CD and the like. SACD provides theoretical benefits over regular CDs, but the format failed because the real-world improvements, if they existed at all, were insubstantial. 4K is, as far as I'm concerned, the last video resolution that 99% of consumers will ever need. Unless you're holding out for the media corporations to release the 8K scan of Lawrence of Arabia on 8K Blu-ray or start doing 8K scans of IMAX 70mm films to watch on an absurdly huge 8K TV or projector, I can't think of a good reason to switch to 8K.

[HDTV1080P]

Native 4K flat panels is the standard currently for 32 inches and up screen sizes. Most of the time native 1080P flat panels can only be found under 32 inches. Consumers in theory might have a native 8K optical disc media sometime around the year 2026 (Native streaming 8K may arrive in 2023 at the earliest and 2026 at the latest). 4K Blu-ray still offers the best picture and sound with higher video bit rates when compared to 4K streaming and exclusive lossless audio that is not offered by streaming (Only physical Blu-ray images and subscription based Blu-ray image downloads offer lossless audio). When 8K streaming arrives hopefully the studios and streaming providers will offer lossless audio, but to save money on bandwidth lossy audio might be the only thing offered.

Perhaps around the year 2026 16K displays and projectors may be introduced and around the year 2036 a new 16K optical disc and/or 16K streaming format. The flat panels might be thinner than one inch thick by then, and a bigger choice of short throw projectors, unless flat panels finally replace the projector market. By making external power supplies, tuners, HDMI inputs, and other TV electronics in a separate box, the flat panel screens could be made super paper like thin (There would be only one input on the TV that connects the external communication box which contains system power, TV tuners, HDMI inputs, and other electronics). Basically, the 50 to 200 inch flat panel displays would only have the lighting elements to show an image and everything else that powers and controls the image quality would be in a external box. Also, consumers could easily upgrade their TV electronics without needing to replace the 50 to 200 inch display that is on the wall.

The 1939 Wizard of Oz movie and 1939 Gone With the Wind movie has received a 8K scan of the original film negative. However, in the future classic movies on 70mm and 35mm film well most likely be scanned at 16K resolution so the new 16K projectors and 16K flat panels can be enjoyed. Also there exists native 8K digital cameras today for modern movies and in the future native 16K digital cameras well exist. In post production processing well need to occur at 8K first then later on 16K as prices come down in computer technology to be able to offer that good of quality level.

However only select animals and sea creatures with much better vision then a human being well be able to take advantage of 16K and 8K resolutions. The average human being might not be able to tell the difference between 16K and 8K unless they have a 200+ inch screen and sit very close to the screen. Bigger homes may have to be built so that 200+ inch screens that roll up like a poster can be installed. But for marketing reasons 16K will replace 8K displays in 2036+, or at least in theory. The fact is people well purchase a 16K display over an 8K display since it is an improvement in video resolution, even if it means they only own a 50 inch screen and cannot tell the difference between 8K and 16K with their limited human vision. Perhaps one day with medical breakthroughs the human eye well see improvements made in quality so that one can see the difference between 16K and 8K.

Increasing video resolution is the easiest way to improve picture quality. Flat panel and projector companies need to also improve on offering better motion resolution quality, offering the full HDR maximum range so tone mapping is no longer needed, and also offering deep black levels on more display technologies. There is a lot that needs to be done to improve the image quality on flat panels and projectors that has nothing to do with resolution quality. Since resolution is lost on almost all consumer displays when motion is involved, at least people that own 8K and 16K displays will be able to see all the lines of resolution on a native 4K Blu-ray disc for the very first time.

[pixelperfectcolor]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

However only select animals and sea creatures with much better vision then a human being well be able to take advantage of 16K and 8K resolutions. The average human being might not be able to tell the difference between 16K and 8K unless they have a 200+ inch screen and seat very close to the screen. Bigger homes may have to be built so that 200+ inch screens that roll up like a poster can be install. But for marketing reasons 16K will replace 8K displays in 2036+, or at least in theory. The fact is people well purchase a 16K display over an 8K display since it is an improvement in video resolution, even if it means they own only a 50 inch screen and cannot tell the difference between 8K and 16K with their limited human vision. Perhaps one day with medical breakthroughs the human eye well see improvements made in quality so that one can see the difference between 16K and 8K.

I sincerely cannot tell if this post is a joke or not. The suggestion that humans might start buying giant houses and adopting transhumanist ideals purely for the sake of watching content in 16K resolution because electronics companies want people to buy new TVs is the most absurd and hilarious thing I've read all week.

[ZLee]

This seems...ambitious. I have a 4k TV but I barely know anyone with one. I'm a college student so maybe not the most indicative demographic but I just can't see the enthusiasm for 8k TVs any time soon.

[d3nt0n]

It'd be nice if I can get an 8k OLED for under $30k...

[AMenard]

Originally Posted by ZLee

This seems...ambitious. I have a 4k TV but I barely know anyone with one. I'm a college student so maybe not the most indicative demographic but I just can't see the enthusiasm for 8k TVs any time soon.

Plenty of people have 4k since most store carry only 4k set now. They've also came down in price and you can now get a nice 65" for about $800.

But the result of that upgrade depends greatly on what you watch. Streaming is hit and miss for me in 4K due to compression and low bit rates. UHD bluray, those that I own are worth it because of HDR but my 55yrs old can't really benefit from the increased details unless I really pay attention to it. I did see some added detail on Darth Vader suit in Episode IV, scratches and dull spot that I didn't noticed on LD, DVD or regular BR, for exemple.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by d3nt0n

It'd be nice if I can get an 8k OLED for under $30k...

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[smithb]

Hardware manufacturers have no choice but to push forward. They will start out the way they always do, which is to try and first sell the new tech at a higher price to the enthusiasts that must have the latest and greatest. We've gotten to the point where the general consumer no longer cares for further advancement regarding resolution and manufacturers know this, so eventually they will just remove the previous competition (in this case, 4K) and all that will be available will be 8K.

They need to continue furthering development in other areas but resolution to catch consumer attention. They tried 3D and eventually abandoned it. We now have HDR capabilities but it appears to be more of a niche market. They need to find the next big thing that all consumers will grasp on to.

[HDTV1080P]

I am all for consumer electronics companies making improvements in display technologies. One of the reasons people upgrade their equipment is to get something that is bigger and better. However, some consumers also want to upgrade, but since it’s a lot of work and time to upgrade, some consumers wait for their equipment to break first. The average consumer waits around 10 years before upgrading their main home entertainment system. Where as other consumers if the equipment last long enough, they may wait 20+ years for an upgrade.

[Leif]

I bought quite a lot if 3-d movies back in the day and now I can’t watch them on modern 4K TV’s. Any chances for 3-d possibilities on the new 8K TV’s?

[smithb]

Originally Posted by Leif

I bought quite a lot if 3-d movies back in the day and now I can’t watch them on modern 4K TV’s. Any chances for 3-d possibilities on the new 8K TV’s?

I wouldn't know, but I'm guessing that ship has sailed. You may need to invest in a projector if you want to continue with 3D. I just upgraded my projector and now I'm 3D capable (late to the game). I have close to 30 titles. Generally, DLP seems to deliver the best results. You can probably get a projector for under $1000.

[tjritter79]

Originally Posted by Leif

I bought quite a lot if 3-d movies back in the day and now I can’t watch them on modern 4K TV’s. Any chances for 3-d possibilities on the new 8K TV’s?

I think the realm of 3D movies in the future is going to get away from "bulk" viewing (TV set/synched glasses) and concentrate more on individual usage/preference via VR/AR goggles which can be self-contained or hopefully if this catches on totally wireless.

Some projectors have 3D, though I admit I haven't seen these so I cannot say if the experience is similar?

The 2 3D BD's I owned I was able to view with the PS VR. Though I quickly soured on that experience because of the weight of the headset and the feeling of being "tethered" constantly. Though the present Sony VR headset is compatible with the new PS5 console, I hope Sony is planning on releasing a lighter version with better picture quality.