Crave: "Five reasons you shouldn't buy a Blu-ray player yet" - Blu-ray Forum

Doc_Stew · 02-05-2008, 11:49 PM

I'm 100% pro Blu-ray, but some of these points are hard to argue. I found this article linked from CNET's homepage just now. It seems to be a neutrally written piece on problems BD is facing right now in getting mass adoption.

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-986...?tag=cnetfd.mt

I think it does infer the reality of the format war right now though, in saying that "With HD DVD looking more and more like it's on the ropes, it would seem like the ideal time to commit to Blu-ray" except for these five reasons...

Interesting nonetheless, and it seems to sum up most of the HD DVD arguments against it.

reiella · 02-05-2008, 11:55 PM

Well they do mention what those features are for #1. "I think the answer is a big "no." In other words, if you're among the vast majority who only wants to watch the movie, you're not really gaining anything with a 1.1. or 2.0 player. " Which is accurate. Look into those features and decide if they're worth it to you. If they are, freaking wait or get a PS3.

#2 is funny and almost goes without saying : "Rule of thumb: if HDTV programming looks noticeably better than DVD playback on your TV, then Blu-ray will be a worthwhile investment. "

I really have to wonder what HDTV programming doesn't look noticably better than DVD playback... Course, the caveat of 'versus upscaled DVD' would prolly have been a better point to look at.

#4 and #5 are standard boilerplate reasons not to get into a new format, and are really fair.

jorg · 02-06-2008, 12:53 AM

1.obsolete is not the proper term the definetion is of it is no longer in use or no longer useful
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obsolete

the real word to use is limited cability
http://www.answers.com/limited?cat=biz-fin

2.cant relay argue that same could be said about dvd and vhs on small tvs
dvd juts more convenient like blu-ray will become i like only using hdmi and not 3 cables

3.and how many of those 90 k dvds do u buy or can buy i don`t think my bb has a selection over 200

4.same with that new hd tv you bought but u dident wait? why not actual use it.

Sonar5 · 02-06-2008, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc_Stew

I'm 100% pro Blu-ray, but some of these points are hard to argue. I found this article linked from CNET's homepage just now. It seems to be a neutrally written piece on problems BD is facing right now in getting mass adoption.

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-986...?tag=cnetfd.mt

I think it does infer the reality of the format war right now though, in saying that "With HD DVD looking more and more like it's on the ropes, it would seem like the ideal time to commit to Blu-ray" except for these five reasons...

Interesting nonetheless, and it seems to sum up most of the HD DVD arguments against it.

uh-huh... okaayyyy.....

Neutrally written, you have got to be kidding right?

Why even post this crap, it's all fud......

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1. Nearly all current Blu-ray players are obsolete:

No, the MAJORITY ARE NOT

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2. Blu-ray is best on a big-screen TV: Can you see the difference between standard DVD and Blu-ray?

What an idiot, this guy has no clue..... And yes I can see a big difference, if you can't go see an optometrist....

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3. There are still very few movies available on Blu-ray:

Hey Moron, most people buy NEW RELEASES, and bl-ray has over 75% of all studios RIGHT NOW.... Oh he didn't mention that...... As a matter of fact that assinine article fails to mention Warner's move at all, or HBO, or Nat Geo, or .....

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4. Blu-ray still has growing pains:

Ummm I believe it is doing better than when dvd was first released, yes?

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5. Prices have nowhere to go but down: Even without competition from HD DVD, Blu-ray prices seem to be on a one-way ticket downward.

What..... Heellloooo, that happens with every technology dummy....

Then the yahooo says this.....

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the cheaper players are likely to be older models that are effectively "obsolete."

You mean like all those clearance hd-dead players......

It would have been easier for the person who posted this crap to simply say five reasons why the author of the article is a moron..... Would have made a better thread, IMHO.

Doc_Stew · 02-06-2008, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonar5

It would have been easier for the person who posted this crap to simply say five reasons why the author of the article is a moron..... Would have made a better thread, IMHO.

Just because I'm pro BD doesn't mean I can't look at them with a discerning eye. As consumers we've got to do that - I'm not going to let a corporation tell me what's good and what's not good when it comes to my own money. I was merely trying to point out that although I love BD, it still has some kinks to work out. Not everything in the article is true (as you pointed out), but there are a couple of good points.

I just hate blind fanboyism, savvy?

mightypen · 02-06-2008, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonar5

Ummm I believe it is doing better than when dvd was first released, yes?

Irrelevant, most consumers can't remember what they had for dinner last night, much less any issues with early dvds.

It is unfortunately a fact that not all blu-rays can be played in all machines out of the box. Until that gets rectified, its going to be a huge huge barrier to mainstream adoption. I can just imagine my 50sish parents trying to figure that one out-not a pretty sight, and I can't imagine them burning a cd to create a firmware update on their own. Despite that, I can see them checking out a cnet article for tips and coming across this article.

No offense intended, but to call fud on such a point does a disservice to your fellows who have machines like the samsungs. These things need to be resolved-we're already coming into the 3rd generation of blu ray players.

Doc_Stew · 02-06-2008, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mightypen

Irrelevant, most consumers can't remember what they had for dinner last night, much less any issues with early dvds.

No offense intended, but to call fud on such a point does a disservice to your fellows who have machines like the samsungs. These things need to be resolved-we're already coming into the 3rd generation of blu ray players.

That's a very good point. It's unfortunate that BD had to devote so much time, effort, and money into fighting a useless format war instead of perfecting their product. And the comment about imagining the "older" generation downloading and installing firmware updates...yeah, that's not gonna happen (my 60ish parents have no idea what firmware is). So there are some definite kinks that need to be worked out (obviously this was an issue with HD DVD also). But hopefully when things totally settle down, Blu-ray can get down to business and the HDM market can really take off!

mkelley · 02-06-2008, 03:07 AM

This is simply a timid article written by a timid person and could just as easily have been applied to almost any technological purchase made in the last 20 years.

1. As noted, it depends on how you define "most" and "obsolete". PS3 by far sells the most, so we must be talking about "most" meaning the many models available and not in terms of units sold. But even among those models a careful buyer should be able to choose a non-obsolete player.

Just as you can buy an HDTV that is already obsolete (not 1080p) the same is true of a BD player. Doesn't mean you shouldn't adopt either as long as you do the proper research.

2.Once again, you need to have a platform to play discs on. Do you have a 21" tube television? A BD player isn't a wise choice. But the argument is about as valid to bring up as saying that someone who doesn't have a TV shouldn't be looking to buy a VCR -- why even bother bringing this up?

3. This is about the only one that has any validity at all -- however, it's kind of the chicken/egg argument that has been made by any of the technologies. At some point you need to decide to take the plunge or the media will never be available.

I bought my first VCR when there were exactly (and I mean this) 8 movies available to buy. Yes, you could record movies, so the analogy isn't perfect, but I also adopted regular DVDs when there were only a hundred or so releases out there. I think someone needs to look around and see what is available and then understand it has no where to go but up.

4. Stupid -- so does everything, even Television sets.

5. Same as 4. With this philosophy you would *never* buy any technology (because it *always* gets cheaper).

Truly, 1,2,4 and 5 remind me of folks just looking for reasons to hide under a rock. It's easy to get scared by new things, and those same exact reasons can be used not to buy anything from a new washing machine to a new car. Only #3 has any merit and as someone here pointed out it's not all that valid for new releases anyway.

If this strikes anyone as real reasons they shouldn't be using this forum (for one thing -- just what the heck are they using to type on? They can't possibly have a computer, for 4 of the reasons noted above).

Anthony P · 02-06-2008, 04:04 AM

mightypen and doic stew agree. I wonder why

There is nothing but bias BS in that article.

1) You can still watch the movie so 1.0 players are not obsolete. And if 2.0 is that important to you just buy a 2.0 player. How stupid must you be to hate a format just because it gives choice to consumers and not forcing everyone to buy a more feature rich player

2) Obviously the bigger and better set-up the more BD is needed, but it holds advantages even on more mediocre set-ups. Anyways I doubt the person with his 25 year old 13" B&W TV is really looking at this

3) even though this differes from DVD, why is getting a richer and better experience a bad thing? Also just look back, none of the BD players have had that many FW updates, it is not like he portrayes it a constant newsense.

4) Obviously it does not have 10 years of inventory, but going by his reasoning it would have made more sense for someone thinking of a DVD player in 1999 to buy an LD or stick with VHS. Not to mention taht there are people here that own hundreds of BD's there are many great titles to buy, obviously many great titles are missing, but one difference is that none of the bad ones exist.

5) I hope you did not buy a DVD player until last year or two, prices have sure gone down over the years. Why did he buy that PC he typed on, he should have waited he could buy something better cheaper now. How many years has he had his TV, I am sure buying the same today would not cost him as much as when he bought it.

mightypen · 02-06-2008, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony P

mightypen and doic stew agree. I wonder why
There is nothing but bias BS in that article.

Who exactly is that article biased in favor of? Certainly not HD-DVD which gets slammed as well.

Its an article written for the masses, not people on fora like this one.

You really have to be clueless if you think firmware issues like the sammy's have had are not a barrier to adoption. People want their machine to work right out of the box with all movies, and the notion that that is not the status quo is not good. 3rd generation of blu-ray is here, and things are getting better, but unfortunately until it gets resolved, I can't in good conscience recommend blu ray to my tech-wary friends (who have the disposable income for it)

I would not recommend hd-dvd either, for obvious reasons, without full disclosure.

This isn't all black/white or blue/red. Not everything is perfect or evil, there is middle ground and room, much room for improvement.

Sylin · 02-06-2008, 06:02 AM

I think the point being missed here is that minor upgrades are a natural evolution of all technology, and should not necessarily be a limiting factor in adopting new tech, nor viewed as a negative for the consumer.

Think of when computers started coming with DVD-RW drives instead of CD-RW. If you had recently bought a laptop with CD-RW, you can't upgrade it to DVD-RW without buying a new machine. But the real question for most folks would be: do you need DVD-RW vs. CD-RW? If so, buy a new laptop! If not, then STFU and enjoy your laptop. Don't berate the manufacturer or the laptop industry as a whole for not having technology in your model that wasn't available at the time you bought it.

Bottom line: we're still early adopters here, so this shouldn't strike any of us as a big deal. I'd imagine most of us will probably buy a 2.0 player anyhow. But I won't hesitate to recommend that anyone buy a PS3 now--it's the best bang for the buck.

STI Jaguar · 02-06-2008, 07:33 AM

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Five Reasons you shouldn't buy a Blu-ray player YET

I guess all my time watching Blu Ray has been a complete waste.

hardcore_canadian · 02-06-2008, 08:01 AM

Wow, I didn't Think you'd Get Attacked like This. They used the qualifier "yet" so i don't think anybody should get angry.

Doc_Stew · 02-06-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hardcore_canadian

Wow, I didn't Think you'd Get Attacked like This. They used the qualifier "yet" so i don't think anybody should get angry.

Well, I posted this on High Def Digest, and I've got to say people were much nicer over there then here. I figured this was more of a pro Blu-ray article than anything, but apparently not. This forum is accused of blind fanboyism, and I was hoping that wasn't true. Even though I'm 100% pro Blu, I don't know if I'll be posting much here if this is the reaction people get for posting anything that hints that Blu-ray has some work to do.

TIki_Guy · 02-06-2008, 12:20 PM

There is no reason to attack Doc_stew just because he re-posted an artical from C-Net! The Blu-Ray forums are to disscuss Blu-Ray and when the media picks up a story I think we should be able to discuss it without attacking the person who posted it.

I listen to most of the C-Net podcasts. Every industry has a niche culture.
I would concider this forum to be home theater people right?
While C-Net is more computer geeks, there is a difference! One of the guys on there last year tried to catch up on Battlestar Galictica by watching the episodes on youTube! (each episode was cut into 5 ten minute blocks) The people there don't want any disks, what they really want is high def downloads. I don't see Home Theater Blu-Ray fanboys, being happy watching a sci-fi show in a choppy 2" sqare on a laptop monitor?

What I like most about the Blu-ray now (in adition to BEST PQ) is the extras. I spent more time playing and watching extras on Ratatulie than I spent watching the movie, and I will watch it again with the directors comentary. The BD has at least 4 hours of extra content, the apple TV version will not. Plus for $20 I get a 50GB backup, I don't have to store the content on a HD. If I want to re-sell it I can, you can't do that with downloads. I could take it to a friends house.

I wasn't a true early adoptor with DVD, as I knew about it long before I got one. Still when I had DVD on my computer before most people knew what it was, and had a DVD player before Blockbuster rented DVDs. In 1998 a lot of people said "Don't buy DVDs they are too expencive" my point as someone who was buying new movies anyway was that you are going to buy the DVD eventually, so why by a movie on VHS now and buy it again in a year on DVD, when you can just buy the DVD now?

Deane Johnson · 02-06-2008, 01:00 PM

The guy is simply trying to fill space in his column. That's one reason people write such stupid things. They have to think of a way to fill space. He's no exception.

My Panny BD30 is far from obsolete and will be for years to come. All I want to do is show movies in the best possible quality. I don't need all of the juvenile whistles and bells HD-DVD is supposedly ahead of Blu-ray with. If I wanted to be dazzled with interactive games, I would have purchased a game console.

ehorrell · 02-06-2008, 01:06 PM

With all the deals I've got on movies over the past few months and the quality of the PS3, I think this is a great time to buy. Its like the early days of DVD on the net. Movies are practically being given away! I can play every feature on every disc and I have no doubts in future compatibility.

Dynamo of Eternia · 02-06-2008, 01:13 PM

I do agree with the part of the article about the frustration and complication with firmware upgrades. This is something that I have found to be a big annoyance with the format, and it is something that the mass public will not want to mess with. I hope that once the 2.0 profile players come out (and the firmware needed to make current players work with 2.0 discs) that we will essentially see an end to required firmware upgrades that are needed just to get the movie to play (I don't necessarily mind optional firmware that may improve some aspect of a player's performance, but is not needed just to get a movie to work). Convenience is key to getting the public at large to accept Blu-Ray as a mainstream format.

I disagree with the screen size issue. The guy basically inidicates that if you have a TV that is 37" or less you pretty much shouldn't bother. Well, I have a 37" screen and I noticed a big difference between the quality of Blu-Ray releases and regular DVDs. And I know other people who have screens smaller than mine who notice a difference as well. This sounds like more of an assumption on this guy's part with little to no experience to back it up.

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Originally Posted by Doc_Stew

Well, I posted this on High Def Digest, and I've got to say people were much nicer over there then here. I figured this was more of a pro Blu-ray article than anything, but apparently not. This forum is accused of blind fanboyism, and I was hoping that wasn't true. Even though I'm 100% pro Blu, I don't know if I'll be posting much here if this is the reaction people get for posting anything that hints that Blu-ray has some work to do.

While I've been posting here a lot lately and find some info and discussions interesting, there is a lot of blind fanboyism going around here.

I know there have been 'trolls' in the past who have caused problems and I can see where that would be annoying.

But, it is possible for someone to like, appreciate, and prefer Blu-Ray over HD-DVD, and even to buy and support only the one format to assist in ending the format war sooner, BUT can still look at things objectively and point out and admit to some of the lesser points of the BD format, and some of things that HD-DVD did do well. The problem is that too many people are too quick to just attack anyone who says anything that is even slightly positive towards HD-DVD and/or slightly negative towards Blu-Ray, and accuse it of being "FUD" on top of it. Not everything is FUD. Has there been a lot of FUD going around (largely from trolls who show up to cause problems)? Sure. But, there are some truths to some of the lesser points of BD and the positive points of HD-DVD. Anyone who takes an all or nothing attitude of saying (or infering) that there's nothing but positive things to say about Blu-Ray and nothing but negative things to say about HD-DVD are in fact, themselves, spreading FUD.

camper · 02-06-2008, 01:35 PM

Point number 4 (updating the firmware) is an extremely valid point. You can get away with not updating the firmware on your TV (even though you will get better results) but you can still watch TV. Not updating firmware on a blu ray player means that you can't watch the movie.

It is a huge inconvenience for people who aren't willing or comfortable doing that sort of thing, and rare are the households that have a network port behind their TV or setup for home networking.

I have to say that only a fanatic would be unwilling to acknowledge that this particular issue is a negative. Personally, I think the firmware upgrades might make people more hesitant. I don't think it will scare them off, but it will be something that the common consumer will take into true consideration. Especially when a power spike or accidentally turning off the player during an update will result in a product being useful only as a doorstop.

The other points are worth thinking about, but that's all really. If you don't have an HDTV and don't plan to get one for years to come then buying a blu ray player is pointless. Early adopters and the impatient know they'll pay more today for the same thing tomorrow, and they're also more willing to wait for new movies that without a doubt are going to come. And not being able to download stuff from the web (see the bit about home networks being rare) is nothing of true importance, unless that's why you're buying the player in the first place. The 1.1 profile will probably be the only thing people *might* truly care about, but most probably won't. Those who do, and find their capabilities limited, will upgrade.

It's not a crappy article, and while I'm willing and able to dismiss the points for myself, these are all things that are worth letting the consumer know.

~Camper

Lee Christie · 02-06-2008, 03:30 PM

I agree with each point made by the article... but do not agree with the conclusion that you shouldn't buy a Blu-ray player yet. I'd say buy, but be aware of what the issues are and made good choices.

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02-05-2008, 11:49 PM	#1
Doc_Stew Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Blu-ray collection:1	Crave: "Five reasons you shouldn't buy a Blu-ray player yet" I'm 100% pro Blu-ray, but some of these points are hard to argue. I found this article linked from CNET's homepage just now. It seems to be a neutrally written piece on problems BD is facing right now in getting mass adoption. http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-986...?tag=cnetfd.mt I think it does infer the reality of the format war right now though, in saying that "With HD DVD looking more and more like it's on the ropes, it would seem like the ideal time to commit to Blu-ray" except for these five reasons... Interesting nonetheless, and it seems to sum up most of the HD DVD arguments against it. Last edited by Doc_Stew; 02-05-2008 at 11:54 PM.

02-05-2008, 11:55 PM	#2
reiella Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Home Theater Gallery:1 Blu-ray collection:237 DVD collection:1	Well they do mention what those features are for #1. "I think the answer is a big "no." In other words, if you're among the vast majority who only wants to watch the movie, you're not really gaining anything with a 1.1. or 2.0 player. " Which is accurate. Look into those features and decide if they're worth it to you. If they are, freaking wait or get a PS3. #2 is funny and almost goes without saying : "Rule of thumb: if HDTV programming looks noticeably better than DVD playback on your TV, then Blu-ray will be a worthwhile investment. " I really have to wonder what HDTV programming doesn't look noticably better than DVD playback... Course, the caveat of 'versus upscaled DVD' would prolly have been a better point to look at. #4 and #5 are standard boilerplate reasons not to get into a new format, and are really fair.

02-06-2008, 12:53 AM	#3
jorg Power Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:2	1.obsolete is not the proper term the definetion is of it is no longer in use or no longer useful http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obsolete the real word to use is limited cability http://www.answers.com/limited?cat=biz-fin 2.cant relay argue that same could be said about dvd and vhs on small tvs dvd juts more convenient like blu-ray will become i like only using hdmi and not 3 cables 3.and how many of those 90 k dvds do u buy or can buy i don`t think my bb has a selection over 200 4.same with that new hd tv you bought but u dident wait? why not actual use it.

02-06-2008, 03:07 AM	#8
mkelley Active Member Member since:Dec 2007	This is simply a timid article written by a timid person and could just as easily have been applied to almost any technological purchase made in the last 20 years. 1. As noted, it depends on how you define "most" and "obsolete". PS3 by far sells the most, so we must be talking about "most" meaning the many models available and not in terms of units sold. But even among those models a careful buyer should be able to choose a non-obsolete player. Just as you can buy an HDTV that is already obsolete (not 1080p) the same is true of a BD player. Doesn't mean you shouldn't adopt either as long as you do the proper research. 2.Once again, you need to have a platform to play discs on. Do you have a 21" tube television? A BD player isn't a wise choice. But the argument is about as valid to bring up as saying that someone who doesn't have a TV shouldn't be looking to buy a VCR -- why even bother bringing this up? 3. This is about the only one that has any validity at all -- however, it's kind of the chicken/egg argument that has been made by any of the technologies. At some point you need to decide to take the plunge or the media will never be available. I bought my first VCR when there were exactly (and I mean this) 8 movies available to buy. Yes, you could record movies, so the analogy isn't perfect, but I also adopted regular DVDs when there were only a hundred or so releases out there. I think someone needs to look around and see what is available and then understand it has no where to go but up. 4. Stupid -- so does everything, even Television sets. 5. Same as 4. With this philosophy you would never buy any technology (because it always gets cheaper). Truly, 1,2,4 and 5 remind me of folks just looking for reasons to hide under a rock. It's easy to get scared by new things, and those same exact reasons can be used not to buy anything from a new washing machine to a new car. Only #3 has any merit and as someone here pointed out it's not all that valid for new releases anyway. If this strikes anyone as real reasons they shouldn't be using this forum (for one thing -- just what the heck are they using to type on? They can't possibly have a computer, for 4 of the reasons noted above).

02-06-2008, 04:04 AM	#9
Anthony P Blu-ray Count Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Montreal, Canada	mightypen and doic stew agree. I wonder why There is nothing but bias BS in that article. 1) You can still watch the movie so 1.0 players are not obsolete. And if 2.0 is that important to you just buy a 2.0 player. How stupid must you be to hate a format just because it gives choice to consumers and not forcing everyone to buy a more feature rich player 2) Obviously the bigger and better set-up the more BD is needed, but it holds advantages even on more mediocre set-ups. Anyways I doubt the person with his 25 year old 13" B&W TV is really looking at this 3) even though this differes from DVD, why is getting a richer and better experience a bad thing? Also just look back, none of the BD players have had that many FW updates, it is not like he portrayes it a constant newsense. 4) Obviously it does not have 10 years of inventory, but going by his reasoning it would have made more sense for someone thinking of a DVD player in 1999 to buy an LD or stick with VHS. Not to mention taht there are people here that own hundreds of BD's there are many great titles to buy, obviously many great titles are missing, but one difference is that none of the bad ones exist. 5) I hope you did not buy a DVD player until last year or two, prices have sure gone down over the years. Why did he buy that PC he typed on, he should have waited he could buy something better cheaper now. How many years has he had his TV, I am sure buying the same today would not cost him as much as when he bought it.

02-06-2008, 06:02 AM	#11
Sylin Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Nashville Blu-ray collection:1 Trading Score:159	I think the point being missed here is that minor upgrades are a natural evolution of all technology, and should not necessarily be a limiting factor in adopting new tech, nor viewed as a negative for the consumer. Think of when computers started coming with DVD-RW drives instead of CD-RW. If you had recently bought a laptop with CD-RW, you can't upgrade it to DVD-RW without buying a new machine. But the real question for most folks would be: do you need DVD-RW vs. CD-RW? If so, buy a new laptop! If not, then STFU and enjoy your laptop. Don't berate the manufacturer or the laptop industry as a whole for not having technology in your model that wasn't available at the time you bought it. Bottom line: we're still early adopters here, so this shouldn't strike any of us as a big deal. I'd imagine most of us will probably buy a 2.0 player anyhow. But I won't hesitate to recommend that anyone buy a PS3 now--it's the best bang for the buck.

02-06-2008, 08:01 AM	#13
hardcore_canadian Power Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Victoria, BC Blu-ray collection:70	Wow, I didn't Think you'd Get Attacked like This. They used the qualifier "yet" so i don't think anybody should get angry.

02-06-2008, 12:20 PM	#15
TIki_Guy Active Member Member since:Jan 2008	There is no reason to attack Doc_stew just because he re-posted an artical from C-Net! The Blu-Ray forums are to disscuss Blu-Ray and when the media picks up a story I think we should be able to discuss it without attacking the person who posted it. I listen to most of the C-Net podcasts. Every industry has a niche culture. I would concider this forum to be home theater people right? While C-Net is more computer geeks, there is a difference! One of the guys on there last year tried to catch up on Battlestar Galictica by watching the episodes on youTube! (each episode was cut into 5 ten minute blocks) The people there don't want any disks, what they really want is high def downloads. I don't see Home Theater Blu-Ray fanboys, being happy watching a sci-fi show in a choppy 2" sqare on a laptop monitor? What I like most about the Blu-ray now (in adition to BEST PQ) is the extras. I spent more time playing and watching extras on Ratatulie than I spent watching the movie, and I will watch it again with the directors comentary. The BD has at least 4 hours of extra content, the apple TV version will not. Plus for $20 I get a 50GB backup, I don't have to store the content on a HD. If I want to re-sell it I can, you can't do that with downloads. I could take it to a friends house. I wasn't a true early adoptor with DVD, as I knew about it long before I got one. Still when I had DVD on my computer before most people knew what it was, and had a DVD player before Blockbuster rented DVDs. In 1998 a lot of people said "Don't buy DVDs they are too expencive" my point as someone who was buying new movies anyway was that you are going to buy the DVD eventually, so why by a movie on VHS now and buy it again in a year on DVD, when you can just buy the DVD now?

02-06-2008, 01:00 PM	#16
Deane Johnson Active Member Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Omaha, NE	The guy is simply trying to fill space in his column. That's one reason people write such stupid things. They have to think of a way to fill space. He's no exception. My Panny BD30 is far from obsolete and will be for years to come. All I want to do is show movies in the best possible quality. I don't need all of the juvenile whistles and bells HD-DVD is supposedly ahead of Blu-ray with. If I wanted to be dazzled with interactive games, I would have purchased a game console.

02-06-2008, 01:06 PM	#17
ehorrell Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Kentucky	With all the deals I've got on movies over the past few months and the quality of the PS3, I think this is a great time to buy. Its like the early days of DVD on the net. Movies are practically being given away! I can play every feature on every disc and I have no doubts in future compatibility.

02-06-2008, 01:35 PM	#19
camper Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2007 Blu-ray collection:367 DVD collection:445 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	Point number 4 (updating the firmware) is an extremely valid point. You can get away with not updating the firmware on your TV (even though you will get better results) but you can still watch TV. Not updating firmware on a blu ray player means that you can't watch the movie. It is a huge inconvenience for people who aren't willing or comfortable doing that sort of thing, and rare are the households that have a network port behind their TV or setup for home networking. I have to say that only a fanatic would be unwilling to acknowledge that this particular issue is a negative. Personally, I think the firmware upgrades might make people more hesitant. I don't think it will scare them off, but it will be something that the common consumer will take into true consideration. Especially when a power spike or accidentally turning off the player during an update will result in a product being useful only as a doorstop. The other points are worth thinking about, but that's all really. If you don't have an HDTV and don't plan to get one for years to come then buying a blu ray player is pointless. Early adopters and the impatient know they'll pay more today for the same thing tomorrow, and they're also more willing to wait for new movies that without a doubt are going to come. And not being able to download stuff from the web (see the bit about home networks being rare) is nothing of true importance, unless that's why you're buying the player in the first place. The 1.1 profile will probably be the only thing people might truly care about, but most probably won't. Those who do, and find their capabilities limited, will upgrade. It's not a crappy article, and while I'm willing and able to dismiss the points for myself, these are all things that are worth letting the consumer know. ~Camper

02-06-2008, 03:30 PM	#20
Lee Christie Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	I agree with each point made by the article... but do not agree with the conclusion that you shouldn't buy a Blu-ray player yet. I'd say buy, but be aware of what the issues are and made good choices.

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