Hard Target 4K UHD (Plaion Pictures)

[cooey]

Pre-order and info - Plaion Pictures

Disc 1: 4K-UHD (Dolby Vision) of the uncut version (post-synchronized with the original German speakers)
Disc 2: BD of the uncut version (post-synchronized with the original German speakers)
Disc 3: BD of the cinema version
Disc 4: Bonus-BD, among others with Workprint German and English cinema trailer Interviews Making Ofs Picture gallery with rare advertising material and photos from the set Appears as a Two Piece Box with two booklets, and much more.

[cooey]

Appreciate this was all posted in the UK thread, but I felt it deserved it's own thread....

Originally Posted by andreasy969

New German edition from Plaion incoming in March: https://shop.plaionpictures.com/hart...ays-exkl.-shop

In the live stream they said based on a new OCN scan provided by Universal and worked on by LSP. If I got that right, something newer than used on the current 4K releases - they were rather confident that it will best the existing releases at any rate (and I didn't smell bs, but I have doubts re. new scan, but I think that's what they actually said). It will include the workprint as an extra based on a VHS provided by John Woo.

Originally Posted by nicwood

This will be the third UHD I'm buying of this film, unbelievable. I was in the live stream and laughed when they showed the trailer. Too little, too late I thought - and such a big box for lots of nonsense. But no, this really seems definitive in a convincing way and the extensive participation of John Woo is extra special. It looks like Plaion licensed Kino's extras with Woo and Lance Henriksen but went the extra mile re. all the cuts. Why couldn't Kino do the same thing? They were in contact with Woo but likely didn't bother about anything but his master approval in order to release their UHD as soon as possible. Really disappointing but that's exactly who they are.

Originally Posted by andreasy969

At movieside we are also currently debating on whether they actually said new scan from OCN as in newer than used with the existing 4Ks. I also say yes, that's what they said (if that's true is another story). And that LSP is working on this new scan. I still have doubts re. new scan though.

Question being, if you also saw the stream: What do you think they said?

Originally Posted by Cap.T

"It's not the version of the movie, that people may know from the US UHD or the english version. It's a new scan, a new restauration, which we had done here in Germany by LSP, so I believe we can beat the foreign UHD releases."

And later one: "It's a completly new scan of the OCN from Universal, that they (Universal) provided to us and that was extensively restored here.

Make of that what you will. I still think the most likely option is, that this is the 4K-Master of the US and UK-Version with some work work done by LSP. Whatever that "Restoration" work.

You can rewatch the live stream here:

Exclusive Release No. 2 - LIVE! Live-Shopping-Event #2 by PLAION PICTURES - YouTube

Originally Posted by andreasy969

I heard exactly what you're translating and they said new scan. I also have doubts and would also think restoration on the same scan at best, but I still think that's not what they said and you confirmed what I heard. I will be paying attention to this release. I also don't doubt it being the best one, but how much better remains to be seen.

Originally Posted by Cap.T

I think the second quote makes it a little be misleading. The "it's a completly new scan...", propably was in releation to previous releases in Germany and not the other US/UK UHDs. Will find out in March for sure, but why would Universal themselves release a UHD in UK and than create a new 4K-Master and provide that to Plaion. I just can't see that happening.

Originally Posted by Telemachus

Ain't no way the OCN got pulled out again after just scanning it, this is just word hype salad. Maybe it will look better than Kino, not hard to do being real, but come on. If they minimize all those white specs in the Kino it will already be better. I'm not rebuying this after already going through a replacement program but looks cool. A VHS digitization of a workprint is not a selling point for me.

[Telemachus]

Pretty good price for all that. Seems like a better package for people who don't watch UHDs, it mildly annoys me when all the other cuts are only 1080p I rarely watch them over the better disc, that extended Waterworld cut hurt the most it should have been in 4k. 88 Film Supercop is how to do a set right.

[blackprojection]

For the price of 50€ they could've included the sequel with Scott Adkins as well

[The Mole]

Disc 1: 4K-UHD (Dolby Vision) of the uncut version (post-synchronized with the original German speakers)
Disc 2: BD of the uncut version (post-synchronized with the original German speakers)

Should be pretty difficult because except Charles Rettinghaus (Jean-Claude van Damme) and Sabine Falkenberg (Yancy Buttler) the other main voice actors (Klaus Kindler (Lance Henriksen), Leon Boden (Arnold Voslo) and Joachim Nottke (Wilford Brimley)) are all dead.

[dlh]

Vosloo was dubbed by Ingo Albrecht. He is still alive and active. But yeah, Nottke and Kindler won't be possible for obvious reasons.

[The Mole]

Originally Posted by dlh

Vosloo was dubbed by Ingo Albrecht. He is still alive and active.

You are right, of course.

[revoloution]

Anyone know of any online stores selling this that will ship to the UK?

[blackprojection]

Originally Posted by revoloution

Anyone know of any online stores selling this that will ship to the UK?

it is a shop exclusive title https://shop.plaionpictures.com/hart...ays-exkl.-shop

[Telemachus]

Interested in hearing how this compares to the Kino

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Plaion got access to the OCN scan files Universal has and created their own 4k HDR master. Technically it will be different than the Kino/Uni transfer but not a new scan and all from the ground up.

They also reportedly did a new master of the R-rated cut from the same source, while the main 4k was confirmed to the unrated version.

[FantasticMrFox]

Release date pushed back from March 28 to April 25 due to failing the quality check of the disc of HDR/DV

[nicwood]

I hope that someone who's got the Plaion release can provide us with some info about the transfer and ideally a BDInfo scan particularly for the audio. I really like Plaion but they sometimes tend to overtly compress the audio, which hopefully isn't the case here. I also hope / expect that they use the more dynamic 5.1 from the Universal UHD release instead of the 5.0 in a 5.1 container á la Kino.

For comparison, BDInfo of the UK / IT Universal 4K:

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     UPHE_GBK1-25290R0
Disc Label:     GBK1_25290R0
Disc Size:      75,506,174,098 bytes
Protection:     AACS2
Extras:         Ultra HD
BDInfo:         0.7.5.6

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Length:                 1:39:37.179 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   73,910,208,000 bytes
Total Bitrate:          98.92 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-H HEVC Video       89415 kbps          2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / HDR10 / Limited Range / BT.2020 / PQ / BT.2020 non-constant / Mastering display color primaries: Display P3 / Mastering display luminance: min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2 / Maximum Content Light Level: 1387 cd / m2 / Maximum Frame-Average Light Level: 581 cd/m2
* MPEG-H HEVC Video     86 kbps             1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / Limited Range / BT.2020 / PQ / BT.2020 non-constant / Mastering display color primaries: Display P3 / Mastering display luminance: min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4099 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  4099 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS Audio                       Italian         768 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz /   768 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         21.951 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         17.632 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         0.398 kbps

Chart:

[kristoffer]

Does the uncut version only have German audio in the extra bits?

[SpaceBlackKnight]

The unrated cut always had complete audio since the R2 DVD and the same applies here. The US cut was trimmed of certian violent shots and no new or unique dialog was done for it, so the dubs can easily sync to it.

[Telemachus]

Kino use the theatrical DTS track, since it was already a digital track I don't know how it can sound anymore dynamic than that. Are you talking about the LFE Universal pumped up on their 5.1 mix? You can turn up your sub volume knob for the same effect.

[nicwood]

Originally Posted by Telemachus

Kino use the theatrical DTS track, since it was already a digital track I don't know how it can sound anymore dynamic than that. Are you talking about the LFE Universal pumped up on their 5.1 mix? You can turn up your sub volume knob for the same effect.

Yes, I mean that Universal 5.1 track on their UK/IT 4K. I had no idea about this and just went after what’s been written in that release’s thread. The assumption that Universal took another (better) track for theirs actually led me to buying their 4K but thanks for letting me know.

[stigdu]

Does anyone know if there's much of a difference between the UK release and this German Plaion release? (Just in terms of being cut and sound quality. I don't care about extras).

Thank you.

[asmodeux21]

Caps-a-holic-Kino UHD vs Plaion UHD-

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=16867&d2=18774&c=5815

[andreasy969]

Only took a look at the phone, but looks like I'll have to get this. Thx at caps for posting this.