Interstellar Gargantuan Poll (SPOILER ALERT!!!)

[Petra_Kalbrain]

POLL SHOULD BE LIVE.

I know that this can also fall into the review thread for discussion, but I figured that it would be a great resource to have a poll to show a more concise collection of opinions.

[Astro Zombie]

He fell through it.

[Astro Zombie]

I wanna vote for the 4th option, but I really feel like I should watch it one more time to process everything. So I won't vote in the poll yet, but yeah, maybe Option 4

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Astro Zombie

I wanna vote for the 4th option, but I really feel like I should watch it one more time to process everything. So I won't vote in the poll yet, but yeah, maybe Option 4

Yeah. My initial instinct was screaming option 4 as I was leaving the theatre. It wasn't until I sat down to type up my brief review in the review thread that my mind exploded about that in the numerous directions that it has.

I do really love the idea of that paradox though.

[DanTheMan]

Ooh, this is gonna be a tough one. I wanna go with Option 1, 2, or 4. Leaning towards 4, but can understand why option 1 would be the correct answer, if there's any at all. Hell, I want to combine both option 1 and 2.

[A Sith Lord?]

Slightly OT:

The only reason I think the future has already happened and I'm not there yet, is because of all the times I have premonitions... dreams of events that actually happen weeks or months later, and I'm in the exact same spot doing the exact same thing as I was in my dream looking at the same thing and thinking about the exact same thing.

It's eery, but maybe my brain waves are transcending gravity and the 4 dimensional plane and is intercepting images of the future in 5th dimension while I'm sleeping.

[vegeta88]

I'm pretty sure this one is straight forward as far as just being what the movie presents. I don't think Nolan is pulling an Inception here and leaving room for tons of ambiguity. Maybe that is just my opinion, but it looked pretty straight forward to me.

[AaronJ]

I voted for 4 because it's insanely clear in the film itself exactly what happened.

There's really no mystery at all to it.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by vegeta88

I'm pretty sure this one is straight forward as far as just being what the movie presents. I don't think Nolan is pulling an Inception here and leaving room for tons of ambiguity. Maybe that is just my opinion, but it looked pretty straight forward to me.

Originally Posted by AaronJ

I voted for 4 because it's insanely clear in the film itself exactly what happened.

There's really no mystery at all to it.

They do discuss it briefly in the film, but when I was thinking about it, it's just a theory on the part of Cooper while he is in there. Most of the film leads us to believe that it is some other form of life in the universe. Then, he blurts out "It's us!" while in the black hole. But, ultimately, since nobody has ANY clue what would happen in that situation of being in a black hole in nothing but a space suit, my mind suddenly bent itself into a Rubik's cube of possibilities.

[L-Rouge]

A bit of 2 and 4. humanity has ascended to the 5th dimension. they have created the opportunity to help their ancestors out. the exchange between Cooper and Tars suggests they could not specifically find the correct time thread to heal, so it is Coopers connection or his love for his family (and murph in particular) that enables the specific thread to be found hence a reality of Cooper's creation. so that is why I choose other- a mix of 2 and 4 Our elder bro's create a 3rd dimension tesaract /sp? and find the right person of mind and integrity to forge a connection with a person with the right understanding and know-how.

just mho!.

[assydingo]

Like the idea of ascended beings. Reminds me of SG1. The sheer force of will thing isn't bad, as it relates really to how much he loves his daughter, but it's also a bit confusing in a non-fantasy film. A combination of the two is maybe the best. The ascended beings chose him both because of his ability and his strong will to get back to his daughter.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

They do discuss it briefly in the film, but when I was thinking about it, it's just a theory on the part of Cooper while he is in there. Most of the film leads us to believe that it is some other form of life in the universe. Then, he blurts out "It's us!" while in the black hole. But, ultimately, since nobody has ANY clue what would happen in that situation of being in a black hole in nothing but a space suit, my mind suddenly bent itself into a Rubik's cube of possibilities.

Well, he's in the tesseract that was created by the (far in the) future humans. That's why he can access various points along the timeline. But it just didn't occur to Cooper or Brand that "they" were "us" until deep into the film.

And there's absolutely no way that Nolan would leave it with "They are us," if that weren't the case. Really, it makes complete sense when you think about it. It's sort of "loopy time" that is possible because of the eventual access to 5th dimension space-time.

I think the only thing that's tripping some people up is that they are applying linear space-time concepts to a story that quite obviously veers beyond 4-dimensional space-time into 5-dimensional space-time. Cooper both sets everything in motion and completes everything, in more than one spot along his timeline.

[Foggy]

I definitely know it's not Option one, since he would of forced himself to stay on Earth with Murph, knowing his days would be up, either way. I think Option three is debunked by Cooper shaking hands with Amelia, it just feels like Nolan is implying that what they thought was another species was simply Coop, although not entirely thrown away. There's certainly the potential for the future of humanity to engineer the Wormhole themselves, especially with the way space time works within the film, and the potential of alternative option they could of use initially without the Wormhole leading to fifth dimensional evolution, but I doubt it.

I went with Option 2, with Cooper practically loosing all hope of return, obviously the connection to the room and the regret filled with him created the link through time, the only way to succeed in any way was to send morse code through the watch.

[spiderfan1985]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Well, he's in the tesseract that was created by the (far in the) future humans. That's why he can access various points along the timeline. But it just didn't occur to Cooper or Brand that "they" were "us" until deep into the film.

And there's absolutely no way that Nolan would leave it with "They are us," if that weren't the case. Really, it makes complete sense when you think about it. It's sort of "loopy time" that is possible because of the eventual access to 5th dimension space-time.

I think the only thing that's tripping some people up is that they are applying linear space-time concepts to a story that quite obviously veers beyond 4-dimensional space-time into 5-dimensional space-time. Cooper both sets everything in motion and completes everything, in more than one spot along his timeline.

Not only that. It explains Murph's Ghost. It was him all along and she figured it out. I don't think Nolan would have dropped that little bon-mot of a plot point into the early going only to not pay it off in some way. I'll be seeing it again definitely.

[Adam_ME]

Pretty sure it's option #4 just like the movie states. Which is a cheat. How did the human race escape Earth in the first place without their future descendants' assistance? It's a big reason the 2nd half of Interstellar fell apart for me. Imagine if at the end of 2001, we found out it was Dave who buried the monolith on the moon so his younger self would travel to the stargate near Jupiter and become the starchild?

[spiderfan1985]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

Pretty sure it's option #4 just like the movie states. Which is a cheat. How did the human race escape Earth in the first place without their future descendants' assistance? It's a big reason the 2nd half of Interstellar fell apart for me. Imagine if at the end of 2001, we found out it was Dave who buried the monolith on the moon so his younger self would travel to the stargate near Jupiter and become the starchild?

Paradox or an endless loop? This is what happens when you try to think too hard about a movie's plot. I enjoyed Interstellar for the crazy-a** trip it provided. And the fine acting from Matthew McConaughey, Mackenzie Foy, Anne Hathaway, and Bill Irwin as T.A.R.S. I loved that robot. If I start to think too much about it of course seams and tears will start to show themselves. I would have to ask Nolan what he was thinking. But then he would probably give a cryptic "figure it out yourself" answer like he did when asked about Inception. Bless him.

[Adam_ME]

Originally Posted by spiderfan1985

Paradox or an endless loop? This is what happens when you try to think too hard about a movie's plot. I enjoyed Interstellar for the crazy-a** trip it provided. And the fine acting from Matthew McConaughey, Mackenzie Foy, Anne Hathaway, and Bill Irwin as T.A.R.S. I loved that robot. If I start to think too much about it of course seams and tears will start to show themselves. I would have to ask Nolan what he was thinking. But then he would probably give a cryptic "figure it out yourself" answer like he did when asked about Inception. Bless him.

It's a paradox. We're never shown how humanity escapes on its own without its future selves bailing them out. Now that's not to say it didn't happen somehow, but I'll be damned if I can figure out when and how they did it. If Nolan expects us to fill in that blank, he can go p-ss off. That's lazy storytelling.

At least with Inception, the story is pretty much straightforward. You can certainly interpret the ending(and what precedes it) as you like. I personally thought the top was starting to topple over, so it likely was reality and not a dream that we were watching. But that's not a cheat. It's more just leaving things up to the viewer to decide.

My problems with Interstellar go beyond the ending though. I also had major issues with how the food shortage was depicted on Earth. No one seemed to be starving and despite an apparent lack of wheat, Cooper and his father-in-law are drinking beer on their porch. Also, if humanity becomes so advanced that they can create wormholes and a magic, time-bending room in a black hole, why in the hell can't they send mankind back on Earth a new method of growing food that can overcome the blight?

[tezster]

Don't think we need a poll for this one... what happens isn't left ambiguous or unspoken. It's not like the spinning top in Inception.

[spiderfan1985]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

It's a paradox. We're never shown how humanity escapes on its own without its future selves bailing them out. Now that's not to say it didn't happen somehow, but I'll be damned if I can figure out when and how they did it. If Nolan expects us to fill in that blank, he can go p-ss off. That's lazy storytelling.

At least with Inception, the story is pretty much straightforward. You can certainly interpret the ending(and what precedes it) as you like. I personally thought the top was starting to topple over, so it likely was reality and not a dream that we were watching. But that's not a cheat. It's more just leaving things up to the viewer to decide.

My problems with Interstellar go beyond the ending though. I also had major issues with how the food shortage was depicted on Earth. No one seemed to be starving and despite an apparent lack of wheat, Cooper and his father-in-law are drinking beer on their porch. Also, if humanity becomes so advanced that they can create wormholes and a magic, time-bending room in a black hole, why in the hell can't they send mankind back on Earth a new method of growing food that can overcome the blight?

Okay. People have stated that the script probably needed a few more passes. And maybe we'll get an extended cut with a bit more explanation on Blu. Of course that would make the movie longer than three hours, but at home that's easy to deal with. Can't beer be made of corn? Or maybe it's an old stash they have stored up for special occasions? I'm not about to invalidate someone's problems with a movie because believe me I have major problems with other movies that others just don't see. As for the last question, Michael Cane does state that we're not meant to save Earth, but to leave it. Nolan did answer that one. However people may react to that answer is… up for debate. Oh good gracious the debates. Keep it real man.

[marlon dingle]

There is no Paradox.

Brand survives on Edmund's planet and kicks off Plan B, which starts the events that leads to the creation of a new civilisation on that planet. These beings eventually evolve to become the "extra-dimensional beings".

Because of this I voted the "Extra-Terestials" option since the descendents of Brand's mission aren't techincally Earthings but Human's from Edmund's planet.