Windows 12 in 2024? Microsoft Reportedly Changes OS Release Schedule

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This will be very cool if Microsoft starts offering a new Windows operating system every 3 years just like Microsoft Office is offered every 3 years. So maybe by 2024 Windows 12 will be released. This means I would skip Windows 11 installation and go with Windows 12 in 2024+. For any new Windows operating system like Windows 11 or 12, one needs to build a new PC that meets the minimum security requirements. Once that is done in theory it would be another 10+ years before a new PC would need to be built. Every 3 years one could install the latest Windows operating system until one day a new PC is needed in 10+ years. Of course Windows 12 could possible get delayed one or two years. But it is possible Windows 12 will become a reality sometime in 2024-2026 time frame right before official support ends for Windows security updates for Windows 10.

I actually like Windows coming out with a new operating system every 3 years. Maybe one day Microsoft will develop a 128 bit operating system that requires 128 bit CPU’s.

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“Microsoft is reportedly returning to its old scheme of one major Windows release every three years and new features in the interim, which could mean Windows 12 is on the horizon for 2024.”

“Redmond now plans to “ship 'major' versions of the Windows client every three years, with the next release currently scheduled for 2024, three years after Windows 11 shipped in 2021,” according to Windows Central's Zac Bowden(Opens in a new window), who has an excellent track record when it comes to these things.”

https://www.pcmag.com/news/windows-1...lease-schedule

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"Let’s be clear from the start: Microsoft hasn’t officially commented on whether it's developing Windows 12. But credible leaks, rumors, and other indicators strongly suggest we'll get a Windows 12 in 2024..."

https://www.pcmag.com/news/what-to-e...umors-and-more

[stonesfan129]

I get sick of all their "Windows as a service" stuff. I'd rather use Unix/Linux if more of my programs worked in there.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

This will be very cool if Microsoft starts offering a new Windows operating system every 3 years just like Microsoft Office is offered every 3 years. So maybe by 2024 Windows 12 will be released. This means I would skip Windows 11 installation and go with Windows 12 in 2024+. For any new Windows operating system like Windows 11 or 12, one needs to build a new PC that meets the minimum security requirements. Once that is done in theory it would be another 10+ years before a new PC would need to be built. Every 3 years one could install the latest Windows operating system until one day a new PC is needed in 10+ years. Of course Windows 12 could possible get delayed one or two years. But it is possible Windows 12 will become a reality sometime in 2024-2026 time frame right before official support ends for Windows security updates for Windows 10.

I actually like Windows coming out with a new operating system every 3 years. Maybe one day Microsoft will develop a 128 bit operating system that requires 128 bit CPU’s.

Select quotes from article:

“Microsoft is reportedly returning to its old scheme of one major Windows release every three years and new features in the interim, which could mean Windows 12 is on the horizon for 2024.”

“Redmond now plans to “ship 'major' versions of the Windows client every three years, with the next release currently scheduled for 2024, three years after Windows 11 shipped in 2021,” according to Windows Central's Zac Bowden(Opens in a new window), who has an excellent track record when it comes to these things.”

https://www.pcmag.com/news/windows-1...lease-schedule

This is not very cool from a Sys admin point of view. Every 3 years would be a nightmare for most major corporations. We are still operating 21H2 Windows 10 with Windows 11 being tested due to the many applications we use.

[apollo828]

Originally Posted by R3P0

This is not very cool from a Sys admin point of view. Every 3 years would be a nightmare for most major corporations. We are still operating 21H2 Windows 10 with Windows 11 being tested due to the many applications we use.

Yeah. The OP has...special ideas when it comes to a lot of things. Forcing companies to build new PCs every three years due to arbitrary security requirements might be among the less weird of these ideas, albeit still completely detached from reality. Are Intel, AMD, and Microsoft supposed to work in lockstep and give businesses, much less casual PC users, even more reason to move over to other platforms? (With Apple, you'd have at least 5-7 years before your computer stops being updated.) What about third-world countries, where a lot of people are still struggling to move away from Windows 7, assuming they even have access to a PC? That and the 128-bit CPU comment (approximately zero real-world use cases for such things right now, and maybe ever), but anyway....

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Let’s see if this PC magazine article becomes a reality. Microsoft before the days of Windows 10 and 11, use to come out with a new operating system every 3 years and a new Office every 3 years. The article claims Microsoft is going to return to a major Windows release every 3 years, which I think is really awesome since before Windows 7 I use to always upgrade around every 3 years the operating system (When Bill Gates use to be in charge of the Microsoft company between the years 1975-2000, that is when the company was the strongest with the company making the best decisions in my opinion). Most my posts have been pro Microsoft over the many decades and Windows is the only operating system that I have used every single day since around the year 1993. I have also made negative comments about the Windows operating system after Windows 7, since that is when Microsoft started removing some features I liked in later versions of Windows.

Even if Microsoft returns to a new version of Windows every 3 years, it does not mean that one is forced to upgrade. Microsoft gives every Windows owner 10 years of free security updates with support for every version of Windows lasting 10 years. Therefore, to keep ones PC secure one needs to upgrade to a new version of Windows once every 10 years. With the option of going to a new improved Windows operating system ever 3 years if one wants too.

I am guessing that Windows 12 will have the same or similar security requirements of Windows 11 (I doubt they will require something beyond TPM 2.0). My old year 2015 X99 motherboard with 128GB of DDR4 memory has TPM 2.0 security with secure boot, however I was not able to install Windows 11 because the CPU is too old and no longer supported by Microsoft. From a security standpoint Microsoft going to TPM 2.0 with secure boot for Windows 11 and beyond was a wise decision since it keeps one’s computer more secure, but at the time I and other people were unhappy since many families have several computers in the 21st Century and it is not like the old days in the 20th Century where there was only one or two computers for each family. Now a family of 10 people will have a minimum of 10 computers (at least one for every person) and it gets costly to upgrade to new computers after Windows 10 security updates are no longer offered after October 14th 2025.

Also, sometimes computers break after 10 to 20 years and need replaced or repaired. I understand that not everyone can afford to buy a new computer in the world. However, the world population is at over 8 billion people now and I was reading an article that mentioned that 90% of the world (over 7 billion people) own a cell phone. There are over 2 billion computers in the world and if someone cannot afford to upgrade their computer to run Windows 11 or 12, they can always install the free Linux operating system or use their existing cell phone or Smartphone/tablet PC to surf the web. But I am only going to move to Linux if I do not like Windows anymore. Most likely come 2024 or 2025 I see myself upgrading my motherboard or PC and going to Windows 12.

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I get sick of all their "Windows as a service" stuff. I'd rather use Unix/Linux if more of my programs worked in there.

If they go down that route for 12 it proves they learned nothing from 11, so at that point I'll just use a Linux distro instead.

Microsoft doesn't respect and cherish their long-term users which have been using their OSes since 95 (and yes, I used ME regardless of how bad it was because I was stuck to it since I didn't have a CD to install an older OS).

For now until 2029, I'm good with Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, but after that I'll have to change. :-/

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Even if Microsoft returns to a new version of Windows every 3 years, it does not mean that one is forced to upgrade. Microsoft gives every Windows owner 10 years of free security updates with support for every version of Windows lasting 10 years. Therefore, to keep ones PC secure one needs to upgrade to a new version of Windows once every 10 years. With the option of going to a new improved Windows operating system ever 3 years if one wants too.

I'm aware that there are ways to upgrade to Win11 on systems where Microsoft doesn't officially support the CPU, but Microsoft throws out the veiled threat that you can be cut off from updates at any time. This is nothing more than a money grab.

My laptops have i7 Gen7 processors and meet all other "security requirements" yet MS wants to pull this shit. I'm aware they added a few i7 processors to the list, but guess what, it includes a processor that their own Studio Pro 2 uses. In otherwords, MS is playing games and there's no reason why the other processors shouldn't be supported. After all, we know they work with Win11.

I even have an old desktop with the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 that runs Win10 just fine. Yep, it originally came with Windows XP MC. In fact, it runs much faster than when it had Win7 installed.

MS can go F themselves with their arbitrary requirements.

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

I'm aware that there are ways to upgrade to Win11 on systems where Microsoft doesn't officially support the CPU, but Microsoft throws out the veiled threat that you can be cut off from updates at any time. This is nothing more than a money grab.

My laptops have i7 processors and meet all other "security requirements" yet MS wants to pull this shit. I'm aware they added a few i7 processors to the list, but guess what, it includes a processor that their own Studio Pro 2 uses. In otherwords, MS is playing games and there's no reason why the other processors shouldn't be supported. After all, we know they work with Win11.

I even have an old desktop with the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 that runs Win10 just fine. Yep, it originally came with Windows XP MC. In fact, it runs much faster than when it had Win7 installed.

MS can go F themselves with their arbitrary requirements.

"Upgrade to 11"

Now, there's a joke. lol

[KPackratt2k]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

If they go down that route for 12 it proves they learned nothing from 11, so at that point I'll just use a Linux distro instead.

Microsoft doesn't respect and cherish their long-term users which have been using their OSes since 95 (and yes, I used ME regardless of how bad it was because I was stuck to it since I didn't have a CD to install an older OS).

For now until 2029, I'm good with Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, but after that I'll have to change. :-/

Same, I'm so glad I have Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC on my computer now, as Windows 7 was becoming too old for my daily usage due to software dropping support for it since Microsoft made the unforgivable decision to cut off support for it.

I plan on making the transition to Mac soon as Linux isn't an option for me ATM due to its lack of good content creation software (photo and video editing). There are things I don't like about Apple (mainly the fact that they've made it so you can no longer upgrade the hardware in their computers ever since a decade ago, and how they're making it harder to run unsigned software as I occasionally run FOSS software from time to time, just to name a couple bad things about them), but I'd take it over modern consumer Windows versions (including the "Pro" edition of Windows 10+). At that point, I'd be more likely to virtualize Windows than run it on a dedicated computer in the event that I'd need it for certain programs.

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The reason why I never went with a MAC or other Apple computer is because I like to custom build my PC by picking out the case, motherboard, CPU, memory, graphics card, power supply, etc. The problem with Apple is they never allowed consumers to custom build their own PC’s like a IBM compatible computer that runs Windows. If I could install MAC OS on a X99 or X299 motherboard (which I cannot since the CPU is not supported by Apple software engineers) then I would have considered going to a MAC OS.

I am interested in Windows 12 if it is released in 2024+.

[ps3bd_owner]

A Windows 12 edition without a Microsoft Store, Edge browser, bloatware, Cortana, constant updates, local accounts, etc (similar to Windows 7/10 LTSC) would be ideal for long-time users who want none of that, but Microsoft now gives away their OSes for "free" and that's the price it costs.

It's 2023 and there's still no Windows 11 Enterprise LTSC though I'll bet it'll be infested with bloatware, just like the Home and "Pro" editions are.

[Aliados]

They're saying windows 10 will be launched in October next year. That's also when W10 will stop being supported. I'm not a huge fan of 11, so I'm skipping it. I also bought a cheap windows 10 oem key to activate my license, see price here.

[stonesfan129]

Windows is so clunky and ridiculous...

I had W11 Pro pre-installed on my current desktop, wiped it and put Linux Mint on there. I switched after my old machine was force-upgraded to W10. I'm so used to using Linux at this point, that's what I use everywhere and I have maybe one or two programs that I run in a W8.1 Virtualbox. I have to support W10 LTSC for work and it's amazing how many security issues and other things Windows has that just are not a problem with Linux/Unix. Really the only reason to have it is Microsoft Office and/or Adobe.

I am even more comfortable with my decision to switch now that I saw all that Recall and AI assistant crapola being added that most people are never going to want or need. And if they knew about Microsoft collecting "anonymized" telemetry data and doing other nefarious privacy violations (like turning on OneDrive and starts uploading your files), it would raise some serious privacy concerns. I remember the PR disaster that ensued when it came out that Recall would take snapshots of your computer.

I don't need or want some corporation watching me and deciding how I use my computer. I don't need "Windows as a service..." I don't want all the apps, AI assistant stuff, cloud things, etc, etc.... Just want my nice, easy, power-user experience like Windows XP and Windows 7. I wonder how long until Microsoft starts charging a subscription for a Windows Home/Pro license.

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Windows is so clunky and ridiculous...

I had W11 Pro pre-installed on my current desktop, wiped it and put Linux Mint on there. I switched after my old machine was force-upgraded to W10. I'm so used to using Linux at this point, that's what I use everywhere and I have maybe one or two programs that I run in a W8.1 Virtualbox. I have to support W10 LTSC for work and it's amazing how many security issues and other things Windows has that just are not a problem with Linux/Unix. Really the only reason to have it is Microsoft Office and/or Adobe.

I am even more comfortable with my decision to switch now that I saw all that Recall and AI assistant crapola being added that most people are never going to want or need. And if they knew about Microsoft collecting "anonymized" telemetry data and doing other nefarious privacy violations (like turning on OneDrive and starts uploading your files), it would raise some serious privacy concerns. I remember the PR disaster that ensued when it came out that Recall would take snapshots of your computer.

I don't need or want some corporation watching me and deciding how I use my computer. I don't need "Windows as a service..." I don't want all the apps, AI assistant stuff, cloud things, etc, etc.... Just want my nice, easy, power-user experience like Windows XP and Windows 7. I wonder how long until Microsoft starts charging a subscription for a Windows Home/Pro license.

I have a laptop from about 12 years ago which I've added 8GB of RAM, a 480GB SSD, and installed Linux Mint so overall it's running pretty nicely for essential stuff. I used to love using Windows, but ever since Windows 11 it went downhill for me and I've avoided as it doesn't feel or look like a traditional Windows OS anymore.

Meanwhile, Linux Mint offers an experience closer to a traditional Windows OS while it's a Linux distro.

I still have Windows 10 LTSC installed on other PCs so I'll keep that until it's no longer supported (2029) or I just feel ditching it completely.

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Everyone has the freedom to switch to a new operating system if they do not want to purchase a new computer that has TPM 2.0, secure boot, and supported new CPU to get Windows 11 security updates and other updates. I wish Apple would make a operating system that runs on older Intel and AMD Windows computers since then I would consider that solution. I never went with MAC and always did Windows since I always like building my own desktop computers for the last 25+ years. Apple will not allow custom computers made for its operating system, where as Windows has always allowed people to have the freedom to build their own PC with motherboards, CPU's, memory, graphics cards, power supplies and many other desktop components from many different companies. My year 2015 X99 desktop computer is now 9 years old and will be 10 years old next year. Even though I have TPM 2.0 and secure boot capability running under Windows 10 Professional 64 bit, my old CPU is not supported for Windows 11. I most likely will go to Windows 12 or Windows 11 in the middle to late 2025 with a new computer build. I have always been a Microsoft fan since around 1993 when I first used Windows 3.1 on a monochrome Notebook computer. After that in the late 90’s made the switch to 100% desktop computers with Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Millenium, Windows XP. Then noticed some big improvements when I went Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit, then Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit, then now Windows 10 Professional 64 bit. Windows XP was the first 64-bit operating system for Microsoft, but I owned the 32 bit version of Windows XP since most security software did not support 64 bit until Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit. Vista was fun and challenging since at the time only HP had 64 bit printer drivers and many hardware providers when Vista launched did not have a 64 bit hardware driver and 32 bit drivers do not work on 64 bit operating system. Some people that went to Vista 64 bit had to buy new printers and hardware devices that support 64-bit operating systems. HP was King of 64-bit drivers back then for printers and other hardware devices, now everyone is making 64-bit drivers. I would like to see Windows 12, Windows 13 or 14 have a 128-bit operating system one day in the future. Will require 128-bit hardware drivers but 128-bit operating systems would be more powerful for AI talking when communicating with human beings. In the good old days Bill Gates made some smart decisions at Microsoft to put the company on a successful path for many decades to come.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Aliados

They're saying windows 10 will be launched in October next year. That's also when W10 will stop being supported. I'm not a huge fan of 11, so I'm skipping it. I also bought a cheap windows 10 oem key to activate my license, see price here.

Windows 10 will be launched next year??

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I hope Windows 12 is not fake news and is launched in 2025. With my luck I might have to build a new PC in 2025 using Windows 11 and then in 2026 Windows 12 might come out. If Microsoft is planning on releasing Windows 12 then I am hoping for a 2025 release and not a 2026+ release. Building computers and installing software is very time consuming, and increases the more family members one has since each family member has a computer.

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Windows 12 might not come out this year and if it is released might be released in 2027. Windows 10 will soon experience end of life for all windows updates including security updates on October 14th 2025.

Another issue going on is that some people only own Smartphones or tablet PC’s and have no plans on buying a desktop or Notebook computer for the first time in their life. However, a desktop computer is the best choice for the most powerful PC. And a Notebook computer for portable use is more powerful and faster than a Smartphone (plus surfing the web on a Windows PC with a real keyboard and trackball is easier than a Smartphone). However, my point is the demand for desktop and Notebook computers including Windows might be lower now, especially for lower income people in the world that only want to use a Smartphone or tablet PC. Only time will tell how many people really buy a new desktop computer or Notebook computer by the end of 2025. But sometime in the near future I do plan on building a new desktop PC using either Windows 12 or Windows 11 (Would prefer to install Windows 12 but might have to install Windows 11 since Windows 10 end of life is October 14th 2025).

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“The chances of Windows 12 launching this year continue to grow slimmer. At CES, Microsoft published a blog post saying that 2025 would be the "year of the Windows 11 refresh," pretty much delivering a death blow to the idea. The company hasn’t officially commented on whether it's even developing Windows 12, but I expect that it will come along at some point over the next few years.”

“Since Microsoft moved to an annual feature update cadence for its desktop OS, the next logical time for Windows 12 to arrive will be around September or October 2025, tidily corresponding with the end of life for Windows 10. But given the aforementioned blog post, that now seems unlikely. If we drew a parallel with the Windows 10 lifespan, we'd get Windows 12 in 2027.”

https://www.pcmag.com/articles/what-...umors-and-more

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When and if Microsoft releases Windows 12 sometime in the future. I would like to see the 128 bit or 64-bit operating system being a one-time fee with free Windows updates for a 10-year period including free security updates to the operating system. However, in the ideal world Windows 12 should have an optional paid annual subscription based anti-virus/firewall software feature that would be a replacement to third party Internet security and anti-virus software on the market. If Microsoft released a deluxe anti-virus and firewall software that was better quality then the competition, then some consumers would be willing to subscribe to the annual service.