CBC News: "The (high) definition of 'buyer beware'" - Blu-ray Forum

Blu-baton · 02-20-2008, 06:20 PM

From CBC in Canada

Overall, those three are a pretty reasonable bunch.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/te...ics/hddvd.html

bdLuvr · 02-20-2008, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blu-baton

From CBC in Canada

Overall, those three are a pretty reasonable bunch.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/te...ics/hddvd.html

I find it odd that (Im Canadian) that I havent met one person yet that has HD-DUD in their homes. But yet, during summer sales, the dweebs at Futureshop were pushing that over BD all because of p@rn? Oh well its all moot now. With the turn-over at local Futureshop, I really cant go back there and have a word with last summers sales staff :P Last I checked they were all gone.

sAvAgE69 · 02-20-2008, 06:46 PM

I am constantly fighting and having conversations with people about DUD. Now that Blu has one. I show them, and they hate sony and waiting for Downloads, or the other excuse is

"Bluray will die in 2 years" Just because technology is moving too fast

I guess depending on your surroundings i guess

And i am Canadian

Banjo · 02-20-2008, 06:48 PM

A family friend bought a HD DVD player against my advice last week. It was on final clearance and now he can't bring it back.

Well, he should had listened to me in the first place.

Proteus · 02-20-2008, 06:49 PM

Ironic that almost everyone of those people mentioned price as being a significant factor in their decision.

The irony is that it was the price that actually killed HDDVD. It shut out every manufacturer in the world except Toshiba (who was subsidizing the cost heavily) from entering HDDVD.

One manufacturer can not win a format war alone.

Blu-baton · 02-20-2008, 06:52 PM

I personnaly don't know anyone in my circle of friends that has blu-ray or HD-DVD in their home at the moment, though I know a few with HD TV. But I would see a lot of people buying discs at my local Best Buy store. My dad, however, was under the impression last December that HD-DVD was winning, I quickly showed the real stats. HD-DVD really did use a lot of FUD and misinformation that made it to uninformed media as well as users.

Still, I'm impressed how those three "pollees" are simply taking their lumps in stride.

Mega-Prime · 02-20-2008, 07:37 PM

Some of these people are on crack...

Quote:

Did you know about the format war going in, and how did it weigh on your decision to buy?

I knew about the format issues … I was looking at the cheaper cost between the two formats, Blu-ray and HD-DVD. At the time, it was the affordable way to go and there was a fair market out there. At one point, the movies were outselling Blu-ray.

When the f$#% did HD outsell Blu??? The first month it was released since Blu-Ray wasn't out yet???

Blu-baton · 02-20-2008, 07:49 PM

Again - the individual "learned" this from media FUD. Same with the fellow who talks about the Warner releases being superior on HD-DVD. Unless he had both formats at home (in which case he still would not have said this), only by reading this bit of misinformation on a HD-DVD site could he have possibly thought such a things - unless he was merely concerned with the Warner extras. Still, none of them whine. Stiff upper lip and all that ...

Mobe1969 · 02-20-2008, 08:08 PM

This is so true though:

"But what I have is an upconverting DVD player with seven free movies for $99, so it really doesn't matter. You can't go wrong for a $100."

Toshiba were giving this stuff away well below cost, and it still made no difference. But the customers didn't really loose out.

Jordahn · 02-20-2008, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sAvAgE69

I am constantly fighting and having conversations with people about DUD. Now that Blu has one. I show them, and they hate sony and waiting for Downloads, or the other excuse is

"Bluray will die in 2 years" Just because technology is moving too fast

I guess depending on your surroundings i guess

And i am Canadian

When somene says that, just tell them that the same could be said for HD DVD. Then ask them why did they support HD DVD.

york weir · 02-20-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Ironic that almost everyone of those people mentioned price as being a significant factor in their decision.

The irony is that it was the price that actually killed HDDVD. It shut out every manufacturer in the world except Toshiba (who was subsidizing the cost heavily) from entering HDDVD.

One manufacturer can not win a format war alone.

Price killed HD DVD? I thought studio support and the PS3 killed HD DVD.

Anthony P · 02-20-2008, 11:43 PM

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The irony is that it was the price that actually killed HDDVD. It shut out every manufacturer in the world except Toshiba (who was subsidizing the cost heavily) from entering HDDVD.

no the irony is that if they want HD movies (presumably why they bought HD DVD in the first place) they need to buy a BD player, meaning that they end up paying more then if they just bought BD in the first place.

kuliddar · 02-21-2008, 01:18 AM

You guys noticed that 2 out of the 3 were the xbox add-ons. Hmmm...seems to me that the HD-DuD camp was saying that it was sad that the PS3 was considered one of the best players when 2 thirds (according to the article) go the add on. I only know one person who has an HD-DVD player and it was the add-on to the 360 as well LOL. Everyone else went blu or waiting for a clear winner.

As for the pricing, of course it was one of the many reason why Toshiba threw in the towel. You need to make money somewhere and you have investors to answer to as well. You can't sell products constantly at a loss (you shouldn't do that at all) it's always bad business.

Reminds me of an airline here in Canada called JetsGo. They were selling seats on Sundays for 1$. Of course a year later they declared bankruptcy.

KenThompson · 02-21-2008, 01:40 AM

The one thing about all this is that the only reason anybody bought hd dud was because of price. It just boils down to people looking for the cheapest way out. Their was no room for profit on the duds so why would anybody else manufacture them. Since when did the name Toshiba inspire confidence to buy a product, If any of them truely researched, they would have seen the vast number of companies that support bd and then the few that did dud. Lastly,the dud's never sold more in any week than bd, so the guy was talking out of his ass.

X-Ninja · 02-21-2008, 01:46 AM

Hahaha. That was hilarious.

"No. I cant stand the PS3 controller at all."

Gotta love the 360 kids...

02-20-2008, 06:20 PM	#1
Blu-baton Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Alberta, Canada	CBC News: "The (high) definition of 'buyer beware'" From CBC in Canada Overall, those three are a pretty reasonable bunch. http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/te...ics/hddvd.html

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02-20-2008, 06:46 PM	#3
sAvAgE69 Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Spruce Grove Alberta Blu-ray collection:13 Blu-ray reviews:6	I am constantly fighting and having conversations with people about DUD. Now that Blu has one. I show them, and they hate sony and waiting for Downloads, or the other excuse is "Bluray will die in 2 years" Just because technology is moving too fast I guess depending on your surroundings i guess And i am Canadian

02-20-2008, 06:48 PM	#4
Banjo Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Blu-ray collection:143	A family friend bought a HD DVD player against my advice last week. It was on final clearance and now he can't bring it back. Well, he should had listened to me in the first place.

02-20-2008, 06:49 PM	#5
Proteus Power Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:SoCal PSN:CaptBurn	Ironic that almost everyone of those people mentioned price as being a significant factor in their decision. The irony is that it was the price that actually killed HDDVD. It shut out every manufacturer in the world except Toshiba (who was subsidizing the cost heavily) from entering HDDVD. One manufacturer can not win a format war alone.

02-20-2008, 06:52 PM	#6
Blu-baton Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Alberta, Canada	I personnaly don't know anyone in my circle of friends that has blu-ray or HD-DVD in their home at the moment, though I know a few with HD TV. But I would see a lot of people buying discs at my local Best Buy store. My dad, however, was under the impression last December that HD-DVD was winning, I quickly showed the real stats. HD-DVD really did use a lot of FUD and misinformation that made it to uninformed media as well as users. Still, I'm impressed how those three "pollees" are simply taking their lumps in stride.

02-20-2008, 07:49 PM	#8
Blu-baton Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Alberta, Canada	Again - the individual "learned" this from media FUD. Same with the fellow who talks about the Warner releases being superior on HD-DVD. Unless he had both formats at home (in which case he still would not have said this), only by reading this bit of misinformation on a HD-DVD site could he have possibly thought such a things - unless he was merely concerned with the Warner extras. Still, none of them whine. Stiff upper lip and all that ...

02-20-2008, 08:08 PM	#9
Mobe1969 Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Brisbane, Australia 4K collection:980 Blu-ray collection:1610	This is so true though: "But what I have is an upconverting DVD player with seven free movies for $99, so it really doesn't matter. You can't go wrong for a $100." Toshiba were giving this stuff away well below cost, and it still made no difference. But the customers didn't really loose out.

02-21-2008, 01:18 AM	#13
kuliddar Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Saint-Hubert, Qc 4K collection:6 Blu-ray collection:253 Blu-ray reviews: 84	You guys noticed that 2 out of the 3 were the xbox add-ons. Hmmm...seems to me that the HD-DuD camp was saying that it was sad that the PS3 was considered one of the best players when 2 thirds (according to the article) go the add on. I only know one person who has an HD-DVD player and it was the add-on to the 360 as well LOL. Everyone else went blu or waiting for a clear winner. As for the pricing, of course it was one of the many reason why Toshiba threw in the towel. You need to make money somewhere and you have investors to answer to as well. You can't sell products constantly at a loss (you shouldn't do that at all) it's always bad business. Reminds me of an airline here in Canada called JetsGo. They were selling seats on Sundays for 1$. Of course a year later they declared bankruptcy.

02-21-2008, 01:40 AM	#14
KenThompson Power Member Member since:Sep 2006 Location:B.C. Canada	The one thing about all this is that the only reason anybody bought hd dud was because of price. It just boils down to people looking for the cheapest way out. Their was no room for profit on the duds so why would anybody else manufacture them. Since when did the name Toshiba inspire confidence to buy a product, If any of them truely researched, they would have seen the vast number of companies that support bd and then the few that did dud. Lastly,the dud's never sold more in any week than bd, so the guy was talking out of his ass.

02-21-2008, 01:46 AM	#15
X-Ninja Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:North Bay, Ontario Posts: Over 1100.......... PSNetwork- Axecution Blu-ray collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:6	Hahaha. That was hilarious. "No. I cant stand the PS3 controller at all." Gotta love the 360 kids...

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