Onkyo 604 vs 605 - Blu-ray Forum

greekjgg · 01-31-2008, 05:52 PM

I have a buddy who wants to upgrade to the 605 from the 604 so he can get dts-hd.

He wants to sell me his 604 for $200.

Should I hold out for the 605 myself, or take him up on the 604? Am I going to notice a big diff between PCM and DTS HD to hold out? I have a smaller living room with average Yamaha cube speakers for my surround sound.

cembros · 01-31-2008, 06:04 PM

i just got the 605 from amazon for 380 including shipping, so i would spend the extra 180 and get the 605

greekjgg · 01-31-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cembros

i just got the 605 from amazon for 380 including shipping, so i would spend the extra 180 and get the 605

Money really isn't the issue for me, I'm wondering if I'll notice the difference with my setup?

Lord_Phan · 01-31-2008, 06:16 PM

What's your setup? BD player? connected via?

BruceWayne · 01-31-2008, 06:16 PM

If you are going to upgrade, you should hold out to be able to decode the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD. It is very much worth it. No experience with Onkyo so I don't know about the quality, but personally I would go Denon or Yamaha... They would cost ya more, but worth every penny in my mind.

surfdude12 · 01-31-2008, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greekjgg

I have a buddy who wants to upgrade to the 605 from the 604 so he can get dts-hd.

He wants to sell me his 604 for $200.

Should I hold out for the 605 myself, or take him up on the 604? Am I going to notice a big diff between PCM and DTS HD to hold out? I have a smaller living room with average Yamaha cube speakers for my surround sound.

hey I own a 604 and LOVE IT!!! and you will to...
(1) the 604 easily handles 5.1 PCM decoded by the PS3,
(2) since the PS3 internally decodes TrueHD into PCM and sends to the 604, the 604 effectively plays the 5.1 TrueHD too (as 5.1PCM)
(3) for DTS-MA, that's a problem, but Sony should be announcing a new software upgrade so the PS3 can internally decode DTS-MA to PCM, so the 604 can play 5.1 DTS-MA (as 5.1 PCM)
(4) I don't believe the 605 can decode 5.1 DTS-MA, only the Onyko 805 can, so don't believe the 605 has an edge there
(5) realize that the 604/605 cannot play 7.1 PCM, and the 805 can, so that is another reason (in addition to being able to decode DTS-MA), to invest in the 805...but buying the 604 for $200 is a good deal IMO

fattyslimslim · 01-31-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by surfdude12

hey I own a 604 and LOVE IT!!! and you will to...
(1) the 604 easily handles 5.1 PCM decoded by the PS3,
(2) since the PS3 internally decodes TrueHD into PCM and sends to the 604, the 604 effectively plays the 5.1 TrueHD too (as 5.1PCM)
(3) for DTS-MA, that's a problem, but Sony should be announcing a new software upgrade so the PS3 can internally decode DTS-MA to PCM, so the 604 can play 5.1 DTS-MA (as 5.1 PCM)
(4) I don't believe the 605 can decode 5.1 DTS-MA, only the Onyko 805 can, so don't believe the 605 has an edge there
(5) realize that the 604/605 cannot play 7.1 PCM, and the 805 can, so that is another reason (in addition to being able to decode DTS-MA), to invest in the 805...but buying the 604 for $200 is a good deal IMO

Actually you are incorrect about a few things.
The 605 can decode DTS-MA if you have a player that can bitstream it.
the 605 can play 7.1 PCM tracks.

But if money is no object, buy the 605 for yourself, and sell me his 604 for $200

surfdude12 · 01-31-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fattyslimslim

Actually you are incorrect about a few things.
The 605 can decode DTS-MA if you have a player that can bitstream it.
the 605 can play 7.1 PCM tracks.

But if money is no object, buy the 605 for yourself, and sell me his 604 for $200

thanks for clearing that up fatty...you could tell i realized i was in unfamiliar territory with "i believe"

i actually do hope to sell my 604 to a friend and buy the 605, but not sure if the lossless quality in DTS-MA decoded by 605 v. decoded by PS3 will matter? dont' see myself with a 7.1 setup...

BruceWayne · 01-31-2008, 07:08 PM

The PS3 is expected to have an update in March to decode both TrueHD and DTS-MA without converting it or anything. or so I have read...

fattyslimslim · 01-31-2008, 07:09 PM

Well, like we all have been told, the ps3 will probably never be able to bitstream the dts-ma, so until I get a BD player that does, that function of my 605 will never be used.
Kinda sucks, I had a 604 for two weeks and sold it to get the 605 cause it was on sale, but I really wouldn't have needed to, I could have kept the rest of the money cause I think the 604 and 5.1 would have been good enough.

cembros · 01-31-2008, 07:15 PM

where did you read that bruce wayne

BruceWayne · 01-31-2008, 07:17 PM

I think it was Wikipedia originally, I can't remember where I found it another place though (can't always trust wikipedia). I didn't ever hear that it wouldn't be able to do DTS-MA though... I am gonna look into it all again here. I may have to go to a stand-alone soon if it's true

crackinhedz · 01-31-2008, 07:20 PM

Onkyo 605:

HDMI v1.3
7.1PCM
Dolby TrueHD and Dts-HD Master decoding

Onkyo 604:

HDMI v1.1
5.1PCM

thats about the only real differences..

greekjgg · 01-31-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

Onkyo 605:

HDMI v1.3
7.1PCM
Dolby TrueHD and Dts-HD Master decoding

Onkyo 604:

HDMI v1.1
5.1PCM

thats about the only real differences..

So with a ps3, is the 1.3 vs 1.1 HDMI a big deal?

crackinhedz · 02-01-2008, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by greekjgg

So with a ps3, is the 1.3 vs 1.1 HDMI a big deal?

not really because HDMI is backwards compatible.

klam · 02-01-2008, 05:05 PM

Do you need HDMI 1.3 to get DolbyTrueHD and DTSHD out of the PS3?

crackinhedz · 02-01-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by klam

Do you need HDMI 1.3 to get DolbyTrueHD and DTSHD out of the PS3?

no, HDMI 1.1 or higher.

The PS3 decodes the TrueHD internally, converting it into Linear PCM. (the PS3 does not decode Dts-HD Master yet, but hopefully soon?)

You need HDMI v1.3 to bitstream...the PS3 does not bitsream, it internally decodes and sends as Linear PCM, which is essentially the same thing when its all said and done.

opcode · 04-21-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

Onkyo 605:

HDMI v1.3
7.1PCM
Dolby TrueHD and Dts-HD Master decoding

Onkyo 604:

HDMI v1.1
5.1PCM

thats about the only real differences..

I have seem many reports around about people that own a 604 and say it supports 7.1PCM, even though the manual says 5.1 only. I have a 604 myself, but never tested it for 7.1 because I don't have any movie that use it. When I do, I can post the results here.
BTW, my PS3 says that my 604 supports 7.1.

Eduardo

aramis109 · 04-21-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by opcode

I have seem many reports around about people that own a 604 and say it supports 7.1PCM, even though the manual says 5.1 only. I have a 604 myself, but never tested it for 7.1 because I don't have any movie that use it. When I do, I can post the results here.
BTW, my PS3 says that my 604 supports 7.1.

Eduardo

My buddy has a 604 and I'm pretty sure he was using it with 7.1 too. I'll have to ask him.

OT, but if anyone wants to get rid of their 604 pm me with a good price and I could take it off your hands.

surfdude12 · 04-21-2008, 08:26 PM

i haven't used my 604 for 7.1 PCM, only 5.1 PCM, but i'll take Crackinhedz advice to the bank, i think he used to own one too.

01-31-2008, 05:52 PM	#1
greekjgg Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Trading Score:1	Onkyo 604 vs 605 I have a buddy who wants to upgrade to the 605 from the 604 so he can get dts-hd. He wants to sell me his 604 for $200. Should I hold out for the 605 myself, or take him up on the 604? Am I going to notice a big diff between PCM and DTS HD to hold out? I have a smaller living room with average Yamaha cube speakers for my surround sound.

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01-31-2008, 06:04 PM	#2
cembros Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:456 Trading Score:4	i just got the 605 from amazon for 380 including shipping, so i would spend the extra 180 and get the 605

01-31-2008, 06:16 PM	#4
Lord_Phan Active Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Brampton, On	What's your setup? BD player? connected via?

01-31-2008, 06:16 PM	#5
BruceWayne The Dark Knight Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Gotham City Home Theater Gallery:4 4K collection:10 Blu-ray collection:887 DVD collection:496 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:6	If you are going to upgrade, you should hold out to be able to decode the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD. It is very much worth it. No experience with Onkyo so I don't know about the quality, but personally I would go Denon or Yamaha... They would cost ya more, but worth every penny in my mind.

01-31-2008, 07:08 PM	#9
BruceWayne The Dark Knight Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Gotham City Home Theater Gallery:4 4K collection:10 Blu-ray collection:887 DVD collection:496 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:6	The PS3 is expected to have an update in March to decode both TrueHD and DTS-MA without converting it or anything. or so I have read...

01-31-2008, 07:09 PM	#10
fattyslimslim Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Little Frisco, WI Blu-ray collection:181 Trading Score:2	Well, like we all have been told, the ps3 will probably never be able to bitstream the dts-ma, so until I get a BD player that does, that function of my 605 will never be used. Kinda sucks, I had a 604 for two weeks and sold it to get the 605 cause it was on sale, but I really wouldn't have needed to, I could have kept the rest of the money cause I think the 604 and 5.1 would have been good enough.

01-31-2008, 07:15 PM	#11
cembros Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:456 Trading Score:4	where did you read that bruce wayne

01-31-2008, 07:17 PM	#12
BruceWayne The Dark Knight Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Gotham City Home Theater Gallery:4 4K collection:10 Blu-ray collection:887 DVD collection:496 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:6	I think it was Wikipedia originally, I can't remember where I found it another place though (can't always trust wikipedia). I didn't ever hear that it wouldn't be able to do DTS-MA though... I am gonna look into it all again here. I may have to go to a stand-alone soon if it's true

01-31-2008, 07:20 PM	#13
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	Onkyo 605: HDMI v1.3 7.1PCM Dolby TrueHD and Dts-HD Master decoding Onkyo 604: HDMI v1.1 5.1PCM thats about the only real differences..

02-01-2008, 05:05 PM	#16
klam Member Member since:Dec 2007	Do you need HDMI 1.3 to get DolbyTrueHD and DTSHD out of the PS3?

04-21-2008, 08:26 PM	#20
surfdude12 Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Club Loop Blu-ray collection:343 Blu-ray reviews:112 Trading Score:1	i haven't used my 604 for 7.1 PCM, only 5.1 PCM, but i'll take Crackinhedz advice to the bank, i think he used to own one too.

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