Digital noise when I play Transformers? - Blu-ray Forum

FILIPINOY79 · 09-17-2008, 08:12 PM

I bought Transformers on bluray when it came out, and i was dissapointed. THe transfer looks like a DVD, i taken two pictures at the 59:02 mark, where i can really see it. Below are the photos i've taken. Is it my TV or is it the Blu Ray movie.

theknub · 09-17-2008, 08:17 PM

and that isn't grain IMO... it looks more like compression noise

and as stated many times, stills are terrible for vid captures. you have to take everything as a whole

JasonR · 09-17-2008, 08:23 PM

Turn down your sharpness, Transformers looks phenomenal.

BStecke · 09-17-2008, 08:23 PM

Something is definitely off in that pic. Is your set calibrated? How is it hooked up? There's quite a bit of grain to the film, but that's not grain. That's a hot mess.

FILIPINOY79 · 09-17-2008, 08:24 PM

well i'm watching it, and yeah it's pretty bad. I'm using a HDMI that came with my VIZIO tv. Are you suggesting i should get like a "good" one?

benricci · 09-17-2008, 08:25 PM

Definitely looks like digital noise, not grain. Your brightness levels may be way too high, or like the previous person said the sharpness levels could be out of control. Also try reducing the contrast a bit - see if that helps.

If you're using the "out-of-the-box" settings on your TV, they are usually set too high or hot for real world viewing.

ryoohki · 09-17-2008, 08:30 PM

No it's grain, if you don't see grain in TF you either in denial or blind. They was plenty at the cinema. More when bubblebee fight 'The Police Car' at night. I'am pretty sure they used a high ASA film during those scene, plus they played with the color and the image to death so that doesn't help.

a Lot of DVD don't even have grain because their are DNR to death. If you want that look i suggest watching movie on Youtube..

SS316SRV · 09-17-2008, 08:32 PM

Grain good.

CptGreedle · 09-17-2008, 08:33 PM

Look like the TV is NOT CALIBRATED! That is the problem here. It is over-saturating the colors which leads to banding and grouping of colors, like little globs of bright color. You need to have this properly calibrated, it is very important. Once it is calibrated, you will see the saturation at normal levels, the brightness turned down, the contrast turned down and adjusted properly, the sharpness turned down (high sharpness is a BAD thing), and more. You can even have the sound calibrated too.
Seriously, these are classic signs of a poorly calibrated, straight-from-the-factory TV. Fix that, and you will see a HUGE improvement.

CptGreedle · 09-17-2008, 08:34 PM

Oh, and true grain is a GOOD thing. Grain is where all the details of the image lie, and actually provide sharpness.
What I see does not look like grain, but there should be grain there when it is calibrated properly.

CptGreedle · 09-17-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FILIPINOY79

well i'm watching it, and yeah it's pretty bad. I'm using a HDMI that came with my VIZIO tv. Are you suggesting i should get like a "good" one?

Don't upgrade your HDMI. It is digital. If you are seeing the image and hearing the sound, you are getting the full quality the cable can provide. That is not to say something might not be set up right, but any HDMI cable should give you perfect quality.
Expensive cables=waste of money.

FILIPINOY79 · 09-17-2008, 08:50 PM

pointless? gees such haters here. I thought forums are supposed to be used to help each other. Not get online all day, look at forurms and talk smack to people that have a simple question.

SS316SRV · 09-17-2008, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FILIPINOY79

pointless? gees such haters here. I thought forums are supposed to be used to help each other. Not get online all day, look at forurms and talk smack to people that have a simple question.

There are tons of threads complaining about film grain. Now your issue is not grain. Those little criers need to stop.

nycomet · 09-17-2008, 08:51 PM

It's your TV that is grainy, not the Transformers BD.

Lucy Diamond · 09-17-2008, 08:55 PM

Transformers is totally BEYOND wicked sick.

Someone was on CRACK when they mastered that Blu-ray, because there is nothing wrong with it.

It doesn't even look like it is the product of plain old "good" engineering...it's more like...someone was on an obsessive compulsive mission from God.

Yeah man...check your settings.

richieb1971 · 09-17-2008, 08:57 PM

I just took pics on my camera of that exact scene and got slightly better results but not by much. That scene is possibly one of the worst scenes in the movie for a "still". It has blue light and a dark background and the camera makes it look worse still.

The middle section of the movie is dark with lots of flashing lighting going on. When the movie is in motion it looks better than the pics you posted.

Calibrating your TV will not suddenly make that pic look pristine and perfect. Even if you had a Pioneer Kuro fully calibrated it can't hide the limitations of film.

RIPSeanTaylor21 · 09-17-2008, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FILIPINOY79

I bought Transformers on bluray when it came out, and i was dissapointed. THe transfer looks like a DVD, i taken two pictures at the 59:02 mark, where i can really see it. Below are the photos i've taken. Is it my TV or is it the Blu Ray movie.

Either its a DVD, or the Sharpness level on your TV wayyyy to HIGH!

BStecke · 09-17-2008, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FILIPINOY79

pointless? gees such haters here. I thought forums are supposed to be used to help each other. Not get online all day, look at forurms and talk smack to people that have a simple question.

Have you tried any of the suggestions made to you?

Sky_Captain · 09-17-2008, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy Diamond

Transformers is totally BEYOND wicked sick.

Someone was on CRACK when they mastered that Blu-ray, because there is nothing wrong with it.

It doesn't even look like it is the product of plain old "good" engineering...it's more like...someone was on an obsessive compulsive mission from God.

Yeah man...check your settings.

That was pretty funny.

jwalmz · 09-17-2008, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy Diamond

Transformers is totally BEYOND wicked sick.

Someone was on CRACK when they mastered that Blu-ray, because there is nothing wrong with it.

It doesn't even look like it is the product of plain old "good" engineering...it's more like...someone was on an obsessive compulsive mission from God.

Yeah man...check your settings.

Uhh, what?

My guess is that if someone was on crack while mastering TF, the quality would be worse...not better.

IMO, TF is pretty underwhelming, not my demo Blu-Ray by any means.

On a side note- I hope that's the last time I ever read the sentence "totally beyond wicked sick" ugh...

09-17-2008, 08:12 PM	#1
FILIPINOY79 Junior Member Member since:Sep 2008	Digital noise when I play Transformers? I bought Transformers on bluray when it came out, and i was dissapointed. THe transfer looks like a DVD, i taken two pictures at the 59:02 mark, where i can really see it. Below are the photos i've taken. Is it my TV or is it the Blu Ray movie.

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09-17-2008, 08:17 PM	#2
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	and that isn't grain IMO... it looks more like compression noise and as stated many times, stills are terrible for vid captures. you have to take everything as a whole

09-17-2008, 08:23 PM	#3
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	Turn down your sharpness, Transformers looks phenomenal.

09-17-2008, 08:23 PM	#4
BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	Something is definitely off in that pic. Is your set calibrated? How is it hooked up? There's quite a bit of grain to the film, but that's not grain. That's a hot mess.

09-17-2008, 08:24 PM	#5
FILIPINOY79 Junior Member Member since:Sep 2008	well i'm watching it, and yeah it's pretty bad. I'm using a HDMI that came with my VIZIO tv. Are you suggesting i should get like a "good" one?

09-17-2008, 08:25 PM	#6
benricci Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2008 Blu-ray reviews:1	Definitely looks like digital noise, not grain. Your brightness levels may be way too high, or like the previous person said the sharpness levels could be out of control. Also try reducing the contrast a bit - see if that helps. If you're using the "out-of-the-box" settings on your TV, they are usually set too high or hot for real world viewing.

09-17-2008, 08:30 PM	#7
ryoohki Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:5	No it's grain, if you don't see grain in TF you either in denial or blind. They was plenty at the cinema. More when bubblebee fight 'The Police Car' at night. I'am pretty sure they used a high ASA film during those scene, plus they played with the color and the image to death so that doesn't help. a Lot of DVD don't even have grain because their are DNR to death. If you want that look i suggest watching movie on Youtube..

09-17-2008, 08:32 PM	#8
SS316SRV Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Appleton, WI Blu-ray collection:74	Grain good.

09-17-2008, 08:33 PM	#9
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	Look like the TV is NOT CALIBRATED! That is the problem here. It is over-saturating the colors which leads to banding and grouping of colors, like little globs of bright color. You need to have this properly calibrated, it is very important. Once it is calibrated, you will see the saturation at normal levels, the brightness turned down, the contrast turned down and adjusted properly, the sharpness turned down (high sharpness is a BAD thing), and more. You can even have the sound calibrated too. Seriously, these are classic signs of a poorly calibrated, straight-from-the-factory TV. Fix that, and you will see a HUGE improvement.

09-17-2008, 08:34 PM	#10
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	Oh, and true grain is a GOOD thing. Grain is where all the details of the image lie, and actually provide sharpness. What I see does not look like grain, but there should be grain there when it is calibrated properly.

09-17-2008, 08:50 PM	#12
FILIPINOY79 Junior Member Member since:Sep 2008	pointless? gees such haters here. I thought forums are supposed to be used to help each other. Not get online all day, look at forurms and talk smack to people that have a simple question.

09-17-2008, 08:51 PM	#14
nycomet Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Long Island, NY, USA ; I enjoy watching 3D blu-rays; 41 Blufans steels so far Home Theater Gallery:11 Blu-ray collection:1344 DVD collection:55 Digital collection:246 Blu-ray reviews:40 Trading Score:343	It's your TV that is grainy, not the Transformers BD.

09-17-2008, 08:55 PM	#15
Lucy Diamond Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2008 Location:The Tomb of Annihilation 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:3	Transformers is totally BEYOND wicked sick. Someone was on CRACK when they mastered that Blu-ray, because there is nothing wrong with it. It doesn't even look like it is the product of plain old "good" engineering...it's more like...someone was on an obsessive compulsive mission from God. Yeah man...check your settings.

09-17-2008, 08:57 PM	#16
richieb1971 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:89 Blu-ray collection:706 Trading Score:16	I just took pics on my camera of that exact scene and got slightly better results but not by much. That scene is possibly one of the worst scenes in the movie for a "still". It has blue light and a dark background and the camera makes it look worse still. The middle section of the movie is dark with lots of flashing lighting going on. When the movie is in motion it looks better than the pics you posted. Calibrating your TV will not suddenly make that pic look pristine and perfect. Even if you had a Pioneer Kuro fully calibrated it can't hide the limitations of film.

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