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Old 01-15-2009, 12:21 AM   #1
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I think another great article for "the masses", specially for those afraid that the Blu Ray "thingy" might be short lived.
Plus, it's from a reputable source (Cnet), and an ex-HD DVD adopter no less. What more could we want ?

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18438_7-10142913-82.html

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9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed
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Is success in the cards? The Dark Knight Blu-ray sold 600,000 copies on launch day.

(Credit: Warner Bros.)
I've been seeing a lot of articles lately about Blu-ray's fuzzy future, how it's doomed, and how its success will be short-lived even if it does take off. Well, that may well end up being the case, but I gotta say, from where I'm sitting, there's a far greater probability that Blu-ray will do just fine--for a long time. And I'm not saying that because I'm a fanboy or a shill for Sony. I'm saying it because a lot of simple market factors point toward it doing just fine. Here are nine reasons why I'm right.

1. Digital downloads will not eliminate the need for discs anytime soon.

Let's address this first since this is the biggest factor that people cite when trumpeting Blu-ray's defeat. If you haven't noticed, here at CNET we spend a good amount of time covering new streaming video platforms and services and really enjoy testing these new products. Everything from Hulu to Netflix streaming video to Slingbox to Apple TV to Vudu all show promise. That said, all these products have some limiting factors, including lack of content selection, pricing hurdles, and most particularly, bandwidth issues, which affect video and audio quality.

Case in point: The other night I was running Netflix's video streaming service on my Xbox 360. I fired up the movie, The Adventures of Baron Von Munchausen on a large rear-projection TV. It looked like crap. How crappy? Well, bad enough for my wife to say, "Get that off the screen right now." (The hazard of watching virtually everything in HD is that everyone in your household over the age of 7 becomes a video snob).

Next, I tried The Wiggles to better results. The program had brighter scenes and less movement, so the picture wasn't quite as soft and pixelated. My 5-year-old could handle it just fine. However, I had to leave the room after 5 minutes in extreme pain. (It was due to the content, not video quality. Man, that's some bad music).

Now, I'm sure folks who've got Verizon's Fios installed in their homes are getting a much better picture when they stream their Netflix video. But I'm dealing with cable internet from Time Warner in Manhattan and while it's acceptable for streaming video onto a 22-inch computer monitor, the pipe really isn't fat enough for blowing things up too far beyond a 32-inch set without things getting pretty fuzzy. (Our video guru, David Katzmaier says he's happy with the bandwidth he's getting from Time Warner in Brooklyn, but he says he, too, runs into some pretty rough pictures, especially those that involve a lot of action sequences).

I can't see Time Warner and other cable Internet providers suddenly delivering more bandwidth anytime soon (if anything, my connection seems to have gotten worse in recent months). DSL is even worse in a lot of cases--unless you're willing to pay ridiculous rates for top-of-the-line bandwidth offerings, which are usually geared toward businesses not consumers. And there's also plenty of talk about ISPs throttling back on bandwidth to police illegal downloads of music and yes, movie and TV shows.

The incoming Obama administration is reportedly going to be offering incentives to providers for building out broadband offerings and increasing bandwidth (eventually, anyway). Whether that has any impact or not, I still think we're a good 3-5 years away before the pipes really get fat enough for many of these IPTV/ streaming video services to reach their full potential and move from niche to mainstream status. In that time prices for both Blu-ray players and discs will look a lot like what you see today on their DVD brethren (see reasons #4 and #5).

2. Having one clear standard is a big advantage.

One of the problems with digital video streaming and downloads is that there's no standard for the industry to coalesce around. It's all a hodgepodge of stuff with various factions competing against each other with the consumers stuck in the middle of it all. That will slow adoption.

3. Blu-ray isn't going to be replaced by another disc format anytime soon.

When both Blu-ray and HD-DVD were in the midst of their little battle for the right to be crowned winner of the next-generation DVD format wars, there was lots of chatter about skipping this generation of disc technology and moving on to something that offered capacity beyond the 50GB you could store on Blu-ray discs. My favorite was "holographic storage," discs, which could carry like 10 times the amount of data.

The problem is, no one's got the money or marketing power of Sony and its allies to bring out a new disc format, even if it is technically better. Also, Blu-ray is plenty good enough and will be for the next five years, if not longer, especially when they start adding special layers and all that fun stuff companies do to eke more out of a technology.

Yeah, Blu-ray's got plenty of downside competition from DVD, but there's no upside pressure coming anytime soon from some higher-end format. This is it for a while, folks. Blu-ray is the de-facto standard for high-definition discs.

4. Prices for large-screen HDTVs will continue to drop.

Yes, we're dealing with a serious recession here. But people are still buying HDTVs (maybe not as many, but there are certain necessities in life, and a good TV is one of them; it's the American way). And with prices becoming more affordable for sets 50 inches or bigger, you've got a growing base of installed users who are ultimately going to want to get the best picture they can out of their TVs. Eventually, DVD isn't going to cut it for people with large-screen TVs. And at the end of the day, Blu-ray looks significantly better than DVD--or pretty much anything else, including most HDTV broadcasts--on TVs 50 inches or bigger.

5. Prices for Blu-ray players will continue to drop.

By this time next year, there will be several sub-$100 Blu-ray players on the market. Once you get to those price points it becomes much more of a no-brainer for consumers to purchase a Blu-ray player. Yes, you 'll be able to buy a decent DVD player for $60. But if you tell someone you can have a player that plays back "HD" discs and DVDs, he or she will think hard about shelling out the extra cash. And it will also help if...

6. Prices for Blu-ray discs will drop to near DVD price levels.

In a small number of cases, we're already finding examples of Blu-ray versions of movies that cost virtually the same as their DVD counterparts. In the coming months, you'll see the prices for Blu-ray discs gradually drop with the gap between Blu-ray and DVD prices narrowing. They have to. This is how businesses work. You get the cost of production down to the point where you can spur demand and still manage to turn a tidy profit.

While people aren't going to buy as many Blu-ray discs as they did DVDs (plenty will rent from Netflix and other outlets), they're still going to buy some. Given the choice of renting an HD movie on demand for $6 and buying the disc for $15-$20, you're going to get your share of folks buying a tangible, physical product. And let's not forget that the price for watching movies in theaters is getting ridiculous ($12.50 per person here in Manhattan). Buying a pristine copy of the movie for $15-$20 is going to seem like a bargain, especially for a family of four--or more.

7. Sony will sell lots of PlayStation 3 game consoles.

As Sony trims the price on its PS3, it will sell more of them. Many more. And every PS3 has a Blu-ray player in it (and we still think it's the best player out there). This has always been Sony's Trojan horse for the platform. Don't forget it.

8. Sony can't afford to have Blu-ray fail.

Sony won the war with HD DVD, and now it's got to take that win to the bank. Sony and its partners will do everything in their power to make it succeed. That's a lot of marketing juice.

9. Sony and its partners will figure out a way to have Blu-ray resonate with the public.

In several market research studies, Blu-ray has run into a basic problem: a high percentage of consumers don't understand just what Blu-ray is and what it does for them.

I always liked the name HD DVD better than Blu-ray because I thought the name translated better to the average consumer. Some argue that Blu-ray is a better name because it connotes something new and different (and presumably better). Well, when you have people misspelling your brand's name (Blue Ray), you have a problem.

I would encourage Sony to embark on a whimsical, self-deprecating ad campaign that educates consumers about its platform and teaches them how to spell its product correctly. As we used to say here at CNET--whenever we saw our site incorrectly referred to as c-net, C|Net, or CNet--spelling is telling. When everybody knows how to spell Blu-ray correctly, the format will be a success. I'll bet my old HD DVD collection on it.

As always, feel free to agree or disagree with me and list your reasons you think Blu-ray will make it, fade away, or muddle about in a place between success and failure, forever eliciting praise and criticism.

Note: For more reasons why Blu-ray isn't doomed, read Matthew Moskovciak's excellent post recounting

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Old 01-15-2009, 12:29 AM   #2
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Good points made about digital downloads.
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Old 01-15-2009, 02:36 PM   #3
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Thread cleaned up.

Mod note: it is not good etiquette to make fun of somebody's spelling mistakes, especially when he is not a native English speaker, and especially for two pages of posts. I am sure Elandyll's English is much better than your French.

Back to topic, I think the overriding advantage is number 2, one standard supported by all the industry. That is a very big obstacle digital delivery has. They were supposed to announce a common standard last CES.

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.co...not-ready-yet/

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After all the advance hype, the DECE panel at CES delivered no news. Which is why I can't help thinking that Hollywood and its many partners in this might have been more forthcoming if it had the Screen Actors Guild contract behind it. After all, Big Media wouldn't want to give anyone the impression that they've got New Media figured out, would they?

"The DECE guy basically said 'stay tuned' since they're not ready yet," my source says. "How it's taking longer to figure everything out and they're still working on format standardization, distribution, interoperability, etc."

One insider did glean for me that DECE's so-called "digital locker" will not actually store content but rather just be an online clearinghouse for rights. So if you purchase the right to a movie download from Best Buy, then your purchase information would be held in this digital locker, allowing you to access your content (by streaming and/or download) at your convenience. But that's all the info available now.

"Some of the other panelists pressed the DECE guy several times on a timeline but he wouldn't give one. The gist of it is that when they announce they want to be fully ready since they know that they'll be compared to Apple/iTunes right out of the gate. The DECE guy wouldn't even tell the gathered techies the new brand name or show the logo. It's disappointing -- for them and for the rest of us -- that they weren't able to get done in time for CES but I suppose it isn't easy trying to get a coalition of often-competing companies to agree on things across the board."

Unless it's a cartel.
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Old 01-15-2009, 06:35 PM   #4
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Reasons why Blu will continue to grow:

1. HDTV prices will be falling- The current technology of LCD and plasma will continue to see some price decreases, but the new thing coming in, OLED TV's will eventually bring TV prices down in a big way, as Home Theatre Magazine states that (paraphrasing) "OLED TV's will eventually cost 60-70% of what similar size/def LCD TV's are"

I think that OLED TV's will be a big thing in the coming years, as they use a lot less energy ( electricity bill) than LCD's and esp plasmas, and give a more colorful, vibrant picture. So, we will have a HDTV that will eventually be cheaper, will use less juice, and will give a superior view than LCD TV's.

2. The PS4 and probably the next XBOX will use Blu-ray. It has been widely thought that the next XBOX will use Blu ray, b/c Microsoft just won't be able to compete with Sony putting 25G on their games with only 9G on the current DVD that they use. This will also bring in a lot of $$$$ for Sony to use for Blu ray.

3. Reduced player prices- I certainly agree with this, but I think that they decreases in price will come a bit more slowly from here on out and my armchair analyst guess is that we'll see prices bottom out at $100 for players. Still, $100 is about half of what they are now, and every time the price goes down, demand goes up, so we still have a lot of jumps in Blu demand ahead of us.
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Old 01-15-2009, 08:17 PM   #5
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Sorry Elandyll...wasn't meaning anything derogatory about it...
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:22 PM   #6
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same here, I was very apolozing.
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9. Sony and its partners will figure out a way to have Blu-ray resonate with the public.
(Uh, they got their verb tense wrong and misspelled "Disney"...)
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Old 01-15-2009, 11:47 PM   #9
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The problem is, no one's got the money or marketing power of Sony and its allies to bring out a new disc format, even if it is technically better. Also, Blu-ray is plenty good enough and will be for the next five years, if not longer, especially when they start adding special layers and all that fun stuff companies do to eke more out of a technology.
More like 15 years if u ask me. Blu-Ray will be the disc equivalent of VHS in terms of life span. Downloads will come and coexist making up for lost revenue made in physical sales.

DVD will be seen in time as a stepping stone all be it for a short time 5 years or or so a phenomenal success that quickly dated and began to fade away.

Blu-Ray will be bigger than DVD.
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More like 15 years if u ask me. Blu-Ray will be the disc equivalent of VHS in terms of life span. Downloads will come and coexist making up for lost revenue made in physical sales.
Oh, so downloads will be the Laserdisk, then, the co-exister that had a small niche of defenders, but never achieved the uniform standard or mainstream outreach to overcome the public's view of its limited functions and troublesome availability?

Or will it just be the PPV Cable, which also "coexisted" around the same time as VHS, and went largely ignored except for the extreme low-tech mainstream-dope fringe, and the industry hadn't seemed to have been greatly affected one way or the other?
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A little late, but I apologize if anything I said was offensive. I knew what the OP was trying to say. I speak French too! C'est pas grave!
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Oh, so downloads will be the Laserdisk, then, the co-exister that had a small niche of defenders, but never achieved the uniform standard or mainstream outreach to overcome the public's view of its limited functions and troublesome availability?

Or will it just be the PPV Cable, which also "coexisted" around the same time as VHS, and went largely ignored except for the extreme low-tech mainstream-dope fringe, and the industry hadn't seemed to have been greatly affected one way or the other?
My belief is that downloads will fall into the niche that rentals currently hold.

They're already beginning to do it with the services current rental companies are providing.
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My belief is that downloads will fall into the niche that rentals currently hold.

They're already beginning to do it with the services current rental companies are providing.
After only one day with my new Vudu box, I have to agree.
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After only one day with my new Vudu box, I have to agree.
Speaking of the VUDU box, How is the quality of the HD movies that are streamed through it? Do you have access to it? I was just wondering.
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Speaking of the VUDU box, How is the quality of the HD movies that are streamed through it? Do you have access to it? I was just wondering.
There is already a Vudu box thread in this section. I'm sure the OP doesn't want that discussion here.
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http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18438_7...CarouselArea.1
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DAMN YOU AVERAGE CONSUMER!!!
Why does the fate of the world always depend on YOU!!!
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My only problem with BD so far is that they are not releasing enough of the movies I want While it's good for the wallet it's a little sad. But I am just glad they release any movie on BD old or new. While it might not be a movie I am willing to buy for myself, the more release the more chance it will caught the eye of "monsieur tous le monde" (translation : general public)
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That's how it was in the early years of DVD. Customers just have to be patient. There is absolutely no practical way for Hollywood studios to rush out their entire catalogs onto a new video format in just one fell swoop.

Blu-ray complicates the situation further since it has raised the image quality bar so high. Some routine HD telecine transfer a studio created several years ago for a DVD release (and HD broadcast) probably won't cut it for Blu-ray. The image quality is too soft, it's probably speckled with dirt and debris and it isn't even perfectly steady since the film is being run through the system in real time.

The studios have to spend more time and money using precision film scanning and digital intermediate methods to get the imagery transferred to HD in much better shape. New movies do that anyway as a part of post-production (digital cinema "virtual prints" have to be created). Most catalog titles don't have a D.I. in existence and a lot of catalog titles may not have enough commercial appeal to justify the cost of creating a new digital intermediate either.

Overall, I feel it is better for the studios to just take their time and get classic catalog movies authored to Blu-ray in the best manner possible. Sure, I'd like to have BD copies of Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark right now but only if they're put together on Blu-ray correctly. I want them to get the job done right rather than just vomit it out on store shelves right now.
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DAMN YOU AVERAGE CONSUMER!!!
Why does the fate of the world always depend on YOU!!!
Because they always outnumber us. This is our average walmart shopper.
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