'Blu-ray Tips Scales' - BD now ahead of HDVD

[bluetyler]

"The scales tipped in favor of Blu-ray Disc the week ended Feb. 18, according to preliminary data. Since the inception of both formats, the Sony-backed Blu-ray disc has now sold more units than its Toshiba-backed HD DVD competitor, according to Nielsen VideoScan First Alert data"

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[frankc4s]

100 units to 98.71 units for software in Blu Rays favour
5:1 ratio on hardware in Blu Rays favour

Blu Ray software sales should be miles in front based on the hardware ratio....what the f**k is going on?

Cheers
FC

[Jack Torrance]

Originally Posted by bluetyler

"The scales tipped in favor of Blu-ray Disc the week ended Feb. 18, according to preliminary data. Since the inception of both formats, the Sony-backed Blu-ray disc has now sold more units than its Toshiba-backed HD DVD competitor, according to Nielsen VideoScan First Alert data"

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great news for HD-DVD!!!

[Jack Torrance]

Originally Posted by frankc4s

100 units to 98.71 units for software in Blu Rays favour

That is for the software sales since inception. Remember hd-dud had a few months head start on ol' blu-ray... and now blu-ray's culmative sales have surpassed it!

Celebrate good times ... come on!

[bluetyler]

Originally Posted by Jack Torrance

That is for the software sales since inception. Remember hd-dud had a few months head start on ol' blu-ray... and now blu-ray's culmative sales have surpassed it!

Celebrate good times ... come on!

Correct. I'll amend the original post to highlight 'since inception'.

[frankc4s]

Be interested to see a comparison of software sales per month for the 2 formats.....if the hardware ratio is indeed correct then I dont think it would be unreasonable to see the software sales of at least 2:1 or even 3:1 in Blu Rays favour.What are we using to gauge the success of Blu Ray over HD-DUD?

Cheers
FC

[Petra]

Hurry!! someone needs to create a special thread for this in AVS

Originally Posted by Bob Chapek, Buena Vista Home Entertainment

Game Over. Seeing HD DVD in our rear-view mirror is no surprise to us

Originally Posted by Steven Feldstein, 20th Century Fox

The format war is in its final phase. It’s never been a question of if Blu-ray will pass HD DVD, but a matter of when

[Petra]

Warner is stinking with their own agenda, since they're getting licensing fee from both camp, they're promoting BD while keeping HD-DVD in life support.

[blitz6speed]

Originally Posted by frankc4s

Be interested to see a comparison of software sales per month for the 2 formats.....if the hardware ratio is indeed correct then I dont think it would be unreasonable to see the software sales of at least 2:1 or even 3:1 in Blu Rays favour.What are we using to gauge the success of Blu Ray over HD-DUD?

Cheers
FC

Here are some key points that you seem to not be aware of:

HD-DVD came out 2 months before blu-ray. During that time, a lot of people who were blu-ray supporters bought a player since it was only 499 vs blu-rays 1000 which wasnt even going to be out for months and they liked what they saw. They also ended up purchasing nearly every title possible on every release day. When the samsung came out, many people purchased the player but due to bad transfers of the 5th element and house of flying daggers, along with samsung noise reduction chip on max with no way to lower it, blu-ray's image was SEVERLY tarnished. So from that point TILL september, when the first "good" transfer was released (Tears of the Sun), then Click came out (first BD50) in october, then of course, the Panasonic, Sony and Pioneer players, then the PS3 came out, HD-DVD has a insane lead on Blu-Ray. It would not have shocked me if they were outselling BD 5:1 by then, if not more.

Up until these events, hd-dvd was destroying blu-ray in everyway. With hardware sales dominating and movie disc sales that were embarrassingly in favor of HD-DVD. But now, 3 months later, Blu-Ray has surpassed hd-dvd's 7+ month lead, has more releases, more movies sold, more movies shipping, more players out, and the full support of everyone involved. When you read the 5:1 for Players sold and see that BD just surpassed HD-DVD, you have to remember that he is counting the PS3 sales in that, and not every PS3 owner is going to be buying blu-ray movies. Heck, i saw a couple guys on ebay with 16 or more PS3s they are STILL selling on ebay!!! These are units not in the hands of consumers, and it took a while for the consumer to get their system due to these scalpers. But now that people can finally find a system (it is still rather rare even till today, especially in california), people are buying blu-ray movies and lots of them.

The good news is, there is absolutely no stopping the sales of BD movies at this point. Those same people buying movies will continue to do so, especially with the BIG major titles on the horizon (Pirates 1/2, Cars, Casino Royale, Sin City and much much much more). So right now, it is around 2.2:1 in favor of BD every single week/month. It is just going to get wider and wider as we go. In fact, after February 27th, there wont be a SINGLE hd-dvd release till a month later. What do you think the sales are going to look like then? And to remind you of whats coming out in that time frame:

Casino Royale (Sony)
From Hell (Fox)
Hoosiers (MGM)
Layer Cake (Sony)
Mr. & Mrs. Smith (Fox)
Big Fish (Sony)
Chicken Little (Buena Vista)
Eragon (Fox)
Finding Neverland (Buena Vista)
The Holiday (2006) (Sony)
Rocky Balboa (Sony)

Look at that list of titles, and not a single HD-DVD title will be out when they are out. The momentum is insane and it will never stop. HD-DVD people like to talk about Attach rates because they have so few players sold, that they of course have a higher attach rate. But what you really have to look at is Discs sold. Thats the only number that matters. As long as more discs are selling then the rival format (which from now on and forever will be Blu-Ray increasing its lead, and HD-DVD losing more and more market share), then thats what the studios care about.

Wow, that was one long rant. End result key points:

HD-DVD early adopters bought a ton of flicks in the begining and skewed the #s, BD launch horrible till november with big titles and big hardware, BD marketshare now ontop in every single measure possible with no stopping in sight.

I hope thats enough data for you.

[bluetyler]

Originally Posted by Petra

Warner is stinking with their own agenda, since they're getting licensing fee from both camp, they're promoting BD while keeping HD-DVD in life support.

Indeed. And remember Time Warner are also trying to promote their 'Total HD' concept or as I refer to it 'Frankenstein HD'.

[Jim L]

I love it!

[frankc4s]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

I hope thats enough data for you.

Thanks for the info, now if you could make HD-DUD die I would send you a large pile of cash

[goodstuff]

Excellent news!

[dobyblue]

Sweet sassy molassey. Break out the chequebook and pay Grandma for the rubdown.

Blu-ray with the dunk!!!!!

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by frankc4s

Be interested to see a comparison of software sales per month for the 2 formats.....if the hardware ratio is indeed correct then I dont think it would be unreasonable to see the software sales of at least 2:1 or even 3:1 in Blu Rays favour.What are we using to gauge the success of Blu Ray over HD-DUD?

Cheers
FC

Hi,

Since the beginning of the year Blu-ray has been consistently outselling HD DVD by about 2:1 as far as software is concerned (as of February 4).

[dialog_gvf]

Ken Graffeo, the executive in charge of the HD DVD effort for Universal Studios Home Entertainment, said, “Given that the life-to-date title sales ratios are close to 1:1, and given that Blu-ray has a 5:1 ratio right now on the hardware side due to the PS3, why aren’t Blu-ray software sales outpacing HD DVD by a similar ratio?

“In fact, HD DVD players continue to have an attach rate (life to date) that is more than five times that of Blu-ray players.”

Graffeo added Blu-ray has simply released more titles. Indeed, industry newsletter The DVD Release Report shows that, in 2006, there were 129 Blu-ray titles released to HD DVD’s 140. However, so far this year, through Feb. 16, the Blu-ray suppliers have released almost double the number of HD DVD titles. There have been 35 Blu-ray releases to 19 for HD DVD, many of which have been HD DVD/DVD combo discs.

What is up with Graffeo? "Why aren’t Blu-ray software sales outpacing HD DVD by a similar ratio?"

(1) Not all PS/3 people are going to be using it as a BD player
(2) Nov 2006 for PS/3 v. April 2006 for HD DVD. Anyone else see a little problem there?

Not only is his attach rate question based on 100% usage, it ignores that the players being attached to have been out three times longer for HD DVD.

That is spin worthy of Amir!

Blu-ray backers have long listed studio support as a major advantage in the format war. At this year’s Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, supporters predicted the format would take the lead in unit sales this year, and Buena Vista Home Entertainment president Bob Chapek announced, “Game over.”

Gary

[dobyblue]

How about a nice game of chess?



It feels real good to begin to see the big picture unravel the way most of the people on this board always knew it would.

[ProvenFlipper]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

Look at that list of titles, and not a single HD-DVD title will be out when they are out. The momentum is insane and it will never stop. HD-DVD people like to talk about Attach rates because they have so few players sold, that they of course have a higher attach rate. But what you really have to look at is Discs sold. Thats the only number that matters. As long as more discs are selling then the rival format (which from now on and forever will be Blu-Ray increasing its lead, and HD-DVD losing more and more market share), then thats what the studios care about.

I always laughed the MS-DVD zealots bringing up attach rate. Who cares? I don't care if there are 10 million BD players out there, what matters is that BD is selling more discs. And people forget, not everyone who owns a PS3 knows about BD, but once they find out, it's a whole other ballgame. The player is already there, all it takes is for them to see a friend with one, or someone to tell them, and let the games begin. I also assume there are some PS3 owners out there too that won't buy until movie prices come down, and others who won't buy until they get a HDTV, but the point is the hardware is already installed, and they might not use it right away, but someday it will get used. Disc sales have no where to go but up.

I also love the excuse, "Well BD has released more discs, so of course they have sold more". Thanks for validating one of BD major benefits, more studio support.

[bluearth]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

What is up with Graffeo? "Why aren?t Blu-ray software sales outpacing HD DVD by a similar ratio?"

(1) Not all PS/3 people are going to be using it as a BD player






Gary

Very good points but I have a suggestion about #1. It is true not all people who bought the PS3 are using it as a bluray player - yet. The day will come when (most) everyone who bought a PS3 will buy blu-ray movies. Now that day may be 1-2 years from now when they get a HDTV and in odd circumstances even longer but the day will come. Once they've gone blu I dont see them going to HD-DVD later on either.

But in the end, gotta love this hopeless spin:

"Why aren't blu-ray software sales outpacing HD-DVD by a (larger) ratio?"

Just love it...we're getting whipped 2:1, but we should be getting whipped 5:1! Therefore blu-ray is failing.

GREAT NEWS FOR HD-DVD!!!!

[Chris Beveridge]

Every PS3 is being used as a Blu-ray player.

They're either playing blu-ray movies or blu-ray games. There ARE obvious differences, but the key to remember is that production runs will continue to go up on games (as more key titles are announced) and those will help drive down costs as well. When the PS2 came out and the millions of players and games it pushed into the market, it helped to drive down costs significantly. The same will happen here over time as well.

I love my media center. I mean, my PS3...