PS3 Blu-ray audio question... - Blu-ray Forum

chopin_guy88 · 10-05-2008, 03:37 AM

OK, I need some clear info on the audio capabilities of the PS3. I just learned that that firmware 2.3 update enabled the PS3 to the new HD-audio codecs....way late on this realization, yes I know...lol. But what I am considering , as I already been, is upgrading my receiver a new model that plays these HD codecs....

What I need to know is does the PS3 truly output these formats to the receiver over the HDMI....cause I have read too many convoluted things about the settings of the PS3 and such...

I just don't want to drop the dough on a new receiver and not have it be worth it....I know in the future it will probably be best to upgrade to a player that bitstreams...but all in time. Thank you all for your help....

arush5268d · 10-05-2008, 03:39 AM

The PS3 cannot bitstream DTS-HD Master or TrueHD. But it can decode them and send them via PCM.

chopin_guy88 · 10-05-2008, 03:43 AM

Thanks arush...

Now you do indeed still have to have a receiver that can accept that signal correct (I am look at upgrading to a Denon AVR-2808ci)??? As if it is pointless then I don't want to get the new receiver???

And what do the settings need to be on in the PS3 for everything to work correctly...???

arush5268d · 10-05-2008, 03:49 AM

Your PS3 will decode the HD codecs and send it via PCM over HDMI to the Denon. One of the downfalls of the PS3 is that it will not bitstream these codecs - so your receiver will only say PCM.

You can get that Denon 2808 at a really fair price right now. I'm not very knowledgeable about Denon - but I'm sure someone else will pick up my slack with that.

Also I do not have a PS3, nor have I ever used one. But there's plenty of members here that'll pick up my slack with this also.

I'm a slacker.

Blu-Ron · 10-05-2008, 03:55 AM

Quote:

I'm a slacker.

Yeah, but your the BEST!

chopin_guy88 · 10-05-2008, 04:00 AM

Very interesting...

So the PS3 is doing the decoding of the format but sending it via PCM...so what is the advantage of this?? I don't see the usefulness of the codec being taken advantage of---or am I wrong...?

arush5268d · 10-05-2008, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chopin_guy88

Very interesting...

So the PS3 is doing the decoding of the format but sending it via PCM...so what is the advantage of this?? I don't see the usefulness of the codec being taken advantage of---or am I wrong...?

I don't know why Sony did this. To me, IMHO, this is one of many things that makes the PS3 a sub-standard player in my book - and only because Sony neglected several important things. I wonder somtimes if Sony never planned on the PS3 being a mainstream Blu-ray player.

And no, fanboys, I'm not trying to start a fight.

chopin_guy88 · 10-05-2008, 04:05 AM

Well seeing as how I can get a AVR-2808ci for $590...I will have money left over in this round of upgrades....What might be some good players that can bitstream that would be worth looking at??? I have just been reluctant to go stand alone player due to the whole upgrade debate...

Nonetheless, what might some good possibilities be on that front???

Blu-Ron · 10-05-2008, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by arush5268d

I don't know why Sony did this. To me, IMHO, this is one of many things that makes the PS3 a sub-standard player in my book.

And no, fanboys, I'm not trying to start a fight.

Not a fanboy by any means but you lost all credibility there.

zweet77 · 10-05-2008, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chopin_guy88

Very interesting...

So the PS3 is doing the decoding of the format but sending it via PCM...so what is the advantage of this?? I don't see the usefulness of the codec being taken advantage of---or am I wrong...?

You still get all the benefits of the codecs pcm is the same sound in its uncompressed digital form.

arush5268d · 10-05-2008, 04:08 AM

I'm a little biased when it comes to players. I have a Panasonic DMP-BD30 which I am more than happy with. They are soon coming out with the new BD35.
All in all Panasonic has made some pretty sturdy players that have great features and great video quality.

The new Sony is getting a lot of attention - but Sony has a sour taste in my mouth when it comes to players.

zweet77 · 10-05-2008, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arush5268d

I don't know why Sony did this. To me, IMHO, this is one of many things that makes the PS3 a sub-standard player in my book - and only because Sony neglected several important things. I wonder somtimes if Sony never planned on the PS3 being a mainstream Blu-ray player.

And no, fanboys, I'm not trying to start a fight.

I think they did it to save expenses they probably did not count on some people needing to see the dolby tru-hd light on their receivers.

chopin_guy88 · 10-05-2008, 04:13 AM

So essentially I will have to get a receiver and a player that will bitstream to the receiver enjoy the 'real deal' HD formats in all their glory. Otherwise, it's just the same as my AVR-2807 receiver receiving a DD or DTS signal--just that audio has been uncompressed by the PS3...

arush5268d · 10-05-2008, 04:14 AM

No not at all.

You'll just need a receiver that can accept audio over HDMI.

Slec · 10-05-2008, 04:18 AM

Enjoy this read... It really makes no difference, I'll take his word for it.

With a PS3, as long as the AVR accepts audio over HDMI, you are golden!

arush5268d · 10-05-2008, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slec

Enjoy this read... It really makes no difference, I'll take his word for it.

With a PS3, as long as the AVR accepts audio over HDMI, you are golden!

Excellent link.

arush5268d · 10-05-2008, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Blu-Ron

Not a fanboy by any means but you lost all credibility there.

Your approval of my credibility means nothing to me.

Perhaps you should try to read my post again, before you lose all credibility. Your blind allegiance is cute, but pointless.

Slec · 10-05-2008, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arush5268d

Your approval of my credibility means nothing to me.

Perhaps you should try to read my post again, before you lose all credibility. Your blind allegiance is cute, but pointless.

At the end of the day, is the inability to bitstream really a black mark? If all sound processing by the receiver is completed after even the receiver converts the signal to PCM (when bitstreaming), then there should really be no difference..

just delving deeper into your thoughts... I've read where many want stand alone players (which to me is an aesthetics arguement... IMO, one more valid then the bitstreaming issue)...but this is a new one to hear. In my tiny little brain, the difference is whether or not the receiver shows DTSHD-MA or TrueHD vs. Multichannel PCM.

chopin_guy88 · 10-05-2008, 04:31 AM

Well in this case I will be better off just dumping more money into a higher-end, more powerful receiver and staying with my PS3 which has been very good to me...

And thank you slec for that link and arush all your input...I had an slight inclination to think from what I had been reading, that the difference between the player doing the decoding or the receiver was essentially nill....it more or less comes down to seeing your receiver read out DTS-HD...which would be very cool, but will have to wait a bit as I much want to put more money into a better receiver...

arush5268d · 10-05-2008, 04:32 AM

Like I said, read through that post again. I said "IMHO." Which means "In My Humble Opinion"

There's other issues that I have with the PS3 too that cause me to have a negative view of it. For many many people the PS3 is a great player. I've recommended it to several friends of mine.

But the PS3 does indeed lack several features that standalone players have. The ability to bitstream. Analog outs. Aesthetics, as you said.

10-05-2008, 03:37 AM	#1
chopin_guy88 Junior Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Houston, TX	PS3 Blu-ray audio question... OK, I need some clear info on the audio capabilities of the PS3. I just learned that that firmware 2.3 update enabled the PS3 to the new HD-audio codecs....way late on this realization, yes I know...lol. But what I am considering , as I already been, is upgrading my receiver a new model that plays these HD codecs.... What I need to know is does the PS3 truly output these formats to the receiver over the HDMI....cause I have read too many convoluted things about the settings of the PS3 and such... I just don't want to drop the dough on a new receiver and not have it be worth it....I know in the future it will probably be best to upgrade to a player that bitstreams...but all in time. Thank you all for your help....

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10-05-2008, 03:39 AM	#2
arush5268d Banned Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Houston, TX Blu-ray collection:85	The PS3 cannot bitstream DTS-HD Master or TrueHD. But it can decode them and send them via PCM.

10-05-2008, 03:43 AM	#3
chopin_guy88 Junior Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Houston, TX	Thanks arush... Now you do indeed still have to have a receiver that can accept that signal correct (I am look at upgrading to a Denon AVR-2808ci)??? As if it is pointless then I don't want to get the new receiver??? And what do the settings need to be on in the PS3 for everything to work correctly...???

10-05-2008, 03:49 AM	#4
arush5268d Banned Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Houston, TX Blu-ray collection:85	Your PS3 will decode the HD codecs and send it via PCM over HDMI to the Denon. One of the downfalls of the PS3 is that it will not bitstream these codecs - so your receiver will only say PCM. You can get that Denon 2808 at a really fair price right now. I'm not very knowledgeable about Denon - but I'm sure someone else will pick up my slack with that. Also I do not have a PS3, nor have I ever used one. But there's plenty of members here that'll pick up my slack with this also. I'm a slacker.

10-05-2008, 04:00 AM	#6
chopin_guy88 Junior Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Houston, TX	Very interesting... So the PS3 is doing the decoding of the format but sending it via PCM...so what is the advantage of this?? I don't see the usefulness of the codec being taken advantage of---or am I wrong...?

10-05-2008, 04:05 AM	#8
chopin_guy88 Junior Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Houston, TX	Well seeing as how I can get a AVR-2808ci for $590...I will have money left over in this round of upgrades....What might be some good players that can bitstream that would be worth looking at??? I have just been reluctant to go stand alone player due to the whole upgrade debate... Nonetheless, what might some good possibilities be on that front???

10-05-2008, 04:08 AM	#11
arush5268d Banned Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Houston, TX Blu-ray collection:85	I'm a little biased when it comes to players. I have a Panasonic DMP-BD30 which I am more than happy with. They are soon coming out with the new BD35. All in all Panasonic has made some pretty sturdy players that have great features and great video quality. The new Sony is getting a lot of attention - but Sony has a sour taste in my mouth when it comes to players.

10-05-2008, 04:13 AM	#13
chopin_guy88 Junior Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Houston, TX	So essentially I will have to get a receiver and a player that will bitstream to the receiver enjoy the 'real deal' HD formats in all their glory. Otherwise, it's just the same as my AVR-2807 receiver receiving a DD or DTS signal--just that audio has been uncompressed by the PS3...

10-05-2008, 04:14 AM	#14
arush5268d Banned Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Houston, TX Blu-ray collection:85	No not at all. You'll just need a receiver that can accept audio over HDMI.

10-05-2008, 04:18 AM	#15
Slec Blu-ray Samurai Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Baltimore, MD Home Theater Gallery:29 Blu-ray collection:241 Blu-ray reviews: 7 Trading Score:30	Enjoy this read... It really makes no difference, I'll take his word for it. With a PS3, as long as the AVR accepts audio over HDMI, you are golden!

10-05-2008, 04:31 AM	#19
chopin_guy88 Junior Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Houston, TX	Well in this case I will be better off just dumping more money into a higher-end, more powerful receiver and staying with my PS3 which has been very good to me... And thank you slec for that link and arush all your input...I had an slight inclination to think from what I had been reading, that the difference between the player doing the decoding or the receiver was essentially nill....it more or less comes down to seeing your receiver read out DTS-HD...which would be very cool, but will have to wait a bit as I much want to put more money into a better receiver...

10-05-2008, 04:32 AM	#20
arush5268d Banned Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Houston, TX Blu-ray collection:85	Like I said, read through that post again. I said "IMHO." Which means "In My Humble Opinion" There's other issues that I have with the PS3 too that cause me to have a negative view of it. For many many people the PS3 is a great player. I've recommended it to several friends of mine. But the PS3 does indeed lack several features that standalone players have. The ability to bitstream. Analog outs. Aesthetics, as you said.

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