Blu-ray Being adopted faster than DVD?

[FendersRule]

I have a HD-DVD/Xbox 360/Digital-Download Fanboi that doesn't believe that Blu-Ray is being adopted faster than DVD was in the same time period.

Can anyone post links here to make him drop dead in the water?

He has lots of HD-DVDs. Obviously, a HD-DVD fanboi I guess?

[RustyK94]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

I have a HD-DVD/Xbox 360/Digital-Download Fanboi that doesn't believe that Blu-Ray is being adopted faster than DVD was in the same time period.

Can anyone post links here to make him drop dead in the water?

He has lots of HD-DVDs. Obviously, a HD-DVD fanboi I guess?

HD-DVD was declared dead on February 19th of 2008. Where have you been

[Scorxpion]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

I have a HD-DVD/Xbox 360/Digital-Download Fanboi that doesn't believe that Blu-Ray is being adopted faster than DVD was in the same time period.

Can anyone post links here to make him drop dead in the water?

He has lots of HD-DVDs. Obviously, a HD-DVD fanboi I guess?

This is Unbelievable ,still someone believe in a defective and dead format.

[Sussudio]

um, ask him what his most recent hd dvd purchase was...then say "OH I FORGOT, THEY DONT MAKE THEM ANYMORE"

[FendersRule]

I don't necessarily think that he believes that HD-DVD's are live and able today. I just know that he has lots of them, which is probably why he is really sore about Blu-Ray.

I think he has lots of them because he's a big Xbox 360 lover.

I just know two things. He wishes Sony dead along with Blu-Ray, and he doesn't believe that Blu-Rays are being adopted faster than DVDs in the same time period. If anyone has any evidence, please post.

[fatediesel]

One example, Iron Man was the first million seller in blu-ray, about 2 years into the life of the format. The Matrix was the first million seller in dvd, about 3 years into the life of the format.

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

I don't necessarily think that he believes that HD-DVD's are live and able today. I just know that he has lots of them, which is probably why he is really sore about Blu-Ray.

i figured, i was just giving him a hard time because he doesn't like bluray

I just know two things. He wishes Sony dead along with Blu-Ray, and he doesn't believe that Blu-Rays are being adopted faster than DVDs in the same time period. If anyone has any evidence, please post.

there are numerous articles scattered throughout this section, skim through it and i'm sure you'll find a good many of them.

some threads that highlight bluray's successful take-off into the industry include:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=69773
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=69737
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=67336

Bluray is well on its way of becoming the next gen media format. Stores are pushing players, prices are dropping, and it is selling better than ever. It's a new technology and isn't going to get huge right off the bat, neither did DVD. But it will, and when DVDs start disappearing from store shelves and blurays start filling them, you can smack the grin off of your friend's face. hope this helps

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

One example, Iron Man was the first million seller in blu-ray, about 2 years into the life of the format. The Matrix was the first million seller in dvd, about 3 years into the life of the format.

Are you sure about that? I know Iron Man sold approximately 260,000 copies on its first day, and totalled 500,000 copies in its first week. I haven't heard anything about Iron Man hitting a million copies just yet.

If Iron Man doesn't hit a million copies just yet... there is one movie that will...

The Dark Knight.

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by Banjo

Are you sure about that? I know Iron Man sold approximately 260,000 copies on its first day, and totalled 500,000 copies in its first week. I haven't heard anything about Iron Man hitting a million copies just yet.

If Iron Man doesn't hit a million copies just yet... there is one movie that will...

The Dark Knight.

If you add up all of the "official" stats released regarding Iron Man, it sold ~800k copies it's first week. Doesn't take too many more to get to 1 million, so it will likely be to one million before the release of the Dark Knight.

If not, it will be there shortly after.

Paramount press release heavily inflated DVD sales and just said Blu-Ray sold "more than 500k", without mentioning how much more.

[Septimus Prime]

Tell him that a real HD DVD fan would have bought into Blu-ray already, just like how most of us would have bought into HD DVD if it had won (HA!), since a real HD DVD fan would realize that regular DVD is garbage just like we do.

What your friend is is just a bitter Xbot who wants to hate on all things Sony for no particular rational reason. Tell him that Blu-ray isn't even a Sony-only endeavor. Tell him that every CE company except for Toshiba is—and always was—behind the format.

He'll shut up REAL quick after that. Or he will go into total denial like a jackass.

[MacHaggis]

I'm with the opinion that if he doesn't play his HD DVD movies, then both his player and the discs will last forever.

Now that's something to brag about!

- Bogdan

[Lucy Diamond]

Now wait a sec guys...Hd-dvd's make excellent drink coasters.
Let's not forget that.

PLUS...do you have any idea how many doors don't rattle anymore thanks to the superb leaning power of the average HD-DvD player???

C'mon

[Endymion]

Does anyone have linkage to BluRay sales for its current market point versus DVD sales in its same time to market? That is what the OP is asking for, and while some of the links above point to "good things" for BluRay, it isn't quite addressing the issue.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by Endymion

Does anyone have linkage to BluRay sales for its current market point versus DVD sales in its same time to market? That is what the OP is asking for, and while some of the links above point to "good things" for BluRay, it isn't quite addressing the issue.

I don't know if studios have released detailed overall figures to the general public .. and I don't know if they did or didn't in the first few years of DVD either.

So if they aren't then it can never be proved to someones satisfaction. But really who cares let them suffer with DVD's all they want. Their loss. People get what they deserve in life based on their decisions.

We do have timeline comparisons though...

March 1997: DVD soft launches
Fall: 1997: DVD full launches
1997-1998: A bitter fight with an alternative. Studios are split.
1998: The Digital Bits is champion for DVD
1999: Competitor dies. DVD gets full studio support.
Late 1999: The Matrix becomes a million seller. People start calling DVD the greatest launch in CE history.

June 2006: Blu-ray soft launches
Nov. 2006: Blu-ray full launches with release of PS/3
2006-2007: A bitter fight with an alternative. Studios are split.
2007: The Digital Bits is champion of Blu-ray
2008: Competitor dies. Blu-ray gets full studio support
Late 2008: At least one million seller. People start calling Blu-ray a failure.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=878

[blu2]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

If you add up all of the "official" stats released regarding Iron Man, it sold ~800k copies it's first week. Doesn't take too many more to get to 1 million, so it will likely be to one million before the release of the Dark Knight.

If not, it will be there shortly after.

Paramount press release heavily inflated DVD sales and just said Blu-Ray sold "more than 500k", without mentioning how much more.

As of this Nov 4th article, Iron Man sold 850,000 copies on Blu Ray:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/new...-revenue-13827

The popular title sold about 7.2 million DVD and Blu-ray units during its first week of release — tops of any packaged media release in 2008. The studio said Iron Man to date had sold 850,000 Blu-ray units.

[Dalese]

Originally Posted by Lucy Diamond

Now wait a sec guys...Hd-dvd's make excellent drink coasters.
Let's not forget that.

Or skeet targets...

[crackinhedz]

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwoc...61.html#bdrant

Look, folks... let's have a little perspective here. People have been predicting the death of Blu-ray Disc for more than two years now. And many of those doing so were either staunch HD-DVD supporters previously or simply NEVER saw much of a future for Blu-ray or high-definition discs. Harris, it seems to me, falls into the latter category. He's a fine guy, I'm sure, but from what I've read of his work, he's never really been much of a videophile. He's a storage guy. Hard drives. It says so right there in his bio: "Robin Harris has been selling and marketing data storage for over 20 years in companies large and small." There's nothing wrong with that, and more power to him. But I don't expect him to be any kind of advocate for a home video format, other than one based around a downloading model. And he's hardly the person to best judge the future of what is, at its very essence, a HOME VIDEO FORMAT.

That's not to say that Harris doesn't make some valid points. The BDA's licensing fees are too high, and there are still too many barriers (not the least of which is cost) to smaller content producers adopting the format. I'll give you a few more obstacles the format faces: Blu-ray Disc player and movie prices are still too high. Studios should cut software prices across the board by $5 to $10. Profile 2.0 players should become standard and cheap, and fast. The need to continually update player firmware for title after title has been very frustrating, most recently with the James Bond Blu-rays. That's not a big deal if you have a PS3, but if you have a profile 1.0 or 1.1 player, it means either downloading and burning a firmware update disc, or calling the manufacturer's tech support line and requesting one be sent to you by mail. That's a pain in the ass, and the industry needs to figure out a way to make it easier. The economic slowdown and the lengthy format war haven't helped either. I do think the industry should take a look at Harris' recommendations for what a more "forward looking strategy" for the Blu-ray format ought to look like. I actually agree with a couple of them.

But let's get real here. Blu-ray is NOT dead. It's not close to death. It's not even remotely sick or ailing. Saying otherwise is simply a clever ploy to get a LOT of people to read your columns. Look folks, Blu-ray is still essentially a NEW format to most people. This is the format's FIRST YEAR of unopposed exposure to consumers - the first year it hasn't been embroiled in a bitter format dispute with HD-DVD. The standard DVD format didn't begin to really take off until well over a year after its Divx pay-per-view nemesis finally died. It's worth noting that my prediction has ALWAYS been that Blu-ray and DVD would co-exist for many years, and that Blu-ray would gradually increase its market share over time. If I had to guess, I think the mix a few years from now is going to be 50% DVD, 30-40% Blu-ray and some smaller percentage of downloading. Blu-ray isn't going to replace DVD, the single most successful format in the history of consumer electronics, and anyone who thinks otherwise is out to lunch. But Blu-ray's future is plenty bright, folks. (Continued)

[FinalEvangelion]

Here is some good info on DVD adoption statistics for the first few years... It has charts for software and hardware for North America.

http://www.dvdinformation.com/News/press/043002.htm

It looks like BD is doing pretty well for the first couple of years.

I do remember the arguments in 1998-2000 - "Why should I pay $40 for a movie that I don't have to rewind and a little better picture than pay $15 on a proven and good enough technology (VHS)."

[FendersRule]

Originally Posted by FinalEvangelion

Here is some good info on DVD adoption statistics for the first few years... It has charts for software and hardware for North America.

http://www.dvdinformation.com/News/press/043002.htm

It looks like BD is doing pretty well for the first couple of years.

I do remember the arguments in 1998-2000 - "Why should I pay $40 for a movie that I don't have to rewind and a little better picture than pay $15 on a proven and good enough technology (VHS)."

Now we just need the numbers for BluRay hardware.

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by FinalEvangelion

Here is some good info on DVD adoption statistics for the first few years... It has charts for software and hardware for North America.

http://www.dvdinformation.com/News/press/043002.htm

It looks like BD is doing pretty well for the first couple of years.

I do remember the arguments in 1998-2000 - "Why should I pay $40 for a movie that I don't have to rewind and a little better picture than pay $15 on a proven and good enough technology (VHS)."

Not as good as you might wish though, Shipment numbers are not at all easily translatable to sales.

Every store has a shelf full of discs (and more in the warehouse) that have been shipped but not sold.