Blu-ray playback on a Mac (How-to and tips -- using BootCamp)

[JadedRaverLA]

A couple quick notes: sorry I've been gone forever everybody. Things are crazy busy for me right now. Also, don't get too excited. This isn't some magical how-to on playing protected Blu-ray discs within OS X, as that's still not possible as of when I am writing this. But, given the number of questions here and on Apple forums regarding Blu-ray playback on Macs, I figured I'd put together a little review of my experiences and a how-to on playing back Blu-ray movies on a Mac running BootCamp.

What you'll need:

• A recent Intel-based MacBook, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, iMac, or Mac Pro (with nvidia or ATI graphics) -- MacBook, MacBook Air, and Mac Mini with Intel graphics may work though playback will be mainly handled by the CPU, potentially causing stuttering playback
• A BD-ROM or BD-R/RE drive -- I purchased the recently released FastMac APP-6907 External Slimline USB 2.0 BD-ROM drive, which is a portable unit that can actually be powered entirely by a Mac notebook with 2 USB ports
• Windows XP 32-bit or Vista 32 or 64-bit -- I use Vista Business Edition 64-bit for this review
• Blu-ray playback software -- I use Cyberlink PowerDVD 8 Ultra, though any of the Windows playback solutions should work
• OS X 10.5 Leopard install disc (for Bootcamp drivers) or downloaded bootcamp install for OS X 10.4 Tiger owners
• A monitor connected to a VGA port or internal laptop display -- DVI connections will fail HDCP validation without the use of software that allows for such non-HDCP-compliant connections (and isn't to be named on this board).

The drive (mini-review for those interested):
The FastMac BD-ROM drive is a notebook-sized Panasonic (Matshita) UJ-120 drive in an external enclosure and an IDE-to-USB bridge. The drive itself is fully compatible with reading Blu-ray data under OS X 10.5 Leopard and Windows Vista, both of which support the UDF 2.50 file system. The drive is also compatible with reading and writing all manner of DVD and CD media under most any operating system. Packaged with the drive is a USB data cable, as well as two power cables: the first a standard AC-adapter which can power the drive when at home/work, and a special USB power adapter for use on the road. Using the USB power adapter requires two USB ports on your notebook, so this method will not work with the MacBook Air. Also, you cannot simply connect the drive and power cable to two ports of an unpowered USB hub, as their is not enough power flowing through such devices to power the drive.

Portability aside, the drive isn't really anything to look at. It's a simple black box, only slightly larger than a Blu-ray disc in diameter and under an inch thick. There's a simple USB type-B port and power port on the back and no logos or writing on the casing. The front side is taken up almost completely by the Panasonic's bezel. This is a tray-loading drive so there is a small eject button on the front, though the eject functions within OS X and Windows work as well. There's a single light on the front as well that indicates either reading or writing, depending on the mode.

The price of the drive is fantastic for a portable Blu-ray drive, but keep in mind that you will need to purchase Blu-ray playback software separately in order to make full use of the drive. If Apple releases an update allowing Blu-ray playback under OS X, you may be able to avoid buying additional software, but for now, you'll need to make use of a Windows playback solution. One last thing on the drive: though it is released by FastMac and is certainly advertised as "Mac compatible", the drive will work just fine on any Windows machine as well.

How-to:

Step 1: Install BootCamp and Windows
First of all, if you aren't already using BootCamp to dual-boot Windows XP or Vista on your Mac, you'll need to do so. Running Windows within VMWare Fusion or Parallels Desktop will not work for Blu-ray playback. Full directions for installing BootCamp and a Windows can be found here. Be sure to follow all the directions completely, including installing the BootCamp drivers following the Windows installation.


Tips on running Windows under BootCamp:

1. If you're on a unibody MacBook, MacBook Pro, or MacBook Air, update the trackpad firmware and driver using Apple update. Then, disable the "one-finger" options within the Trackpad tab of the BootCamp control panel within Windows. Without doing this, the trackpad in Windows is nearly impossible to use effectively.
2. Disable Wireless-A support in the network driver under Windows. For whatever reason, the Wireless-A band of the Broadcom wireless networking device causes garbled sound from the Realtek HD audio device for a few seconds every minute or so. To do this, open up the Windows control panel, and open device manage, click the + next to network adapters, and double click the Broadcom device listed there. In the new window that opens, click on the advanced tab, and scroll down to the "disable bands" option. Finally changethe value box to the option "Disable 802.11a". That's it. You'll lose the ability to connect to Wireless-A networks under Windows but your sound will actually play back correctly.

Step 2: Connect drive and install drivers
If its not already connected, you can now connect your FastMac (or other brand) BD-ROM drove to the machine or USB hub. Also connect whichever power connection you will be using. Windows will automatically find and install the necessary drivers, and ask you to reboot.

Reboot your machine and hold the "option" button when the grey boot screen first appears to allow you to choose the OS to boot from. Select Windows and XP or Vista should boot normally.

Step 4: Install Blu-ray Playback software
Once you're back into Windows, install PowerDVD Ultra or whichever alternative Blu-ray playback solution you will be using. Although the FastMac drive does not include playback software, many drives do include OEM versions of Blu-ray playback software that you can use within Windows.

Tip on keeping Aero glass enabled when using PowerDVD:

• If you are using a Mac with a series 8 or 9 Nvidia graphics chipset, you can also keep Windows Aero Glass enabled on Vista systems when PowerDVD is playing back a Blu-ray disc. This is especially nice if you have a multi-monitor setup. Yo do this, go to your Start menu, and type "Regedit" (without the quotes) into the search box. Hit enter and the Windows Registry Editor will open. In the left pane, navigate to HKLM\SOFTWARE\Cyberlink\PowerDVD8). In the right pane you'll see a cryptic group of options. Double click "UI_AskAero" and change the Vale Data from 0 to 1, and press OK. Now do the same for "UseNVDWMOn". Restart PowerDVD, and Aero Glass will remain enabled!

Step 5: Enjoy!
At this point, you'll have fully functioning Blu-ray playback on your Mac... sadly only within Windows, but still nice. The only issue is that most Macs lack HDCP support, and the newer unibody notebooks that support HDCP don't seem to support it correctly with the Apple mini-DisplayPort to DVI adapter, at least within Windows. This means if you cannot connect a monitor using a digital connection. You can easily use an internal notebook screen or a monitor connected via VGA or an analog video adapter, but if you need to connect via DVI (or HDMI using an adapter) you will likely be out of luck (without the purchase of an additional software title that is not appropriate for discussion here).

My experience:
Using a MacBook Pro (late 2008 unibody) with Intel T9400 processor, 4GB RAM, 512MB Nvidia 9600M, and Vista Business 64-bit, connected to a Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP monitor, I can easily play back Blu-ray movies at full resolution on the external monitor while keeping Aero Glass on and being able to run a number of applications on the notebook's internal display. My CPU meter shows a minor workload (25-35% across both cores) while playing back Blu-ray titles (varies by codec) using the new Nvidia notebook drivers.

Obviously, systems with slower CPUs or GPUs not capable of offloading as much of the playback work may not perform as admirably, but, having to boot into Windows aside, the experience is as good as can be expected from playing back Blu-ray movies on a computer.

For anyone else who has a Mac playing back Blu-ray movies in such a manner, I'm sure others considering this would like to hear the results on different system configurations, so please post your results below. Obviously, many are waiting on Apple to bring true Blu-ray playback support to OS X, but, for those wishing to jump into Blu-ray now, its worth knowing how their system will perform.

[Mr. HiDef]

you dont have to use bootcamp do you?

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by Mr. HiDef

you dont have to use bootcamp do you?

Yes... at the moment, you do.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Mr. HiDef

you dont have to use bootcamp do you?

With a Mac...yes you do.

[hoogoosedmoose41]

how does the cost compare to just buying a notebook already equipped with a blu ray drive?

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by hoogoosedmoose41

how does the cost compare to just buying a notebook already equipped with a blu ray drive?

Just guessing here...

The Mac
The Fastmac drive
Windows - XP or Vista(whichever you prefer)
The playback software

[brettallica]

This is a nice post and we should thank the OP. He/she put a lot of work into it.

Originally Posted by dadkins

Just guessing here...

The Mac
The Fastmac drive
Windows - XP or Vista(whichever you prefer)
The playback software

I'd say that sounds about right. Based on this writeup, to get Blu on a Mac sounds like something that would be better suited for someone who already owns the Mac itself, as that is a pretty big chunk of the money spent. It seems a little more economical to just buy a computer with Blu-ray already installed if you don't have the Mac system already; i.e. I wouldn't go buy a Mac specifically for this project, then start adding all this stuff. If you have a computer with pre-installed Blu, you have "guaranteed" working Blu-ray computer -- which probably comes with a warranty that covers the drive and everything.

/my two cents

[ObiTrentKenobi]

Originally Posted by brettallica

This is a nice post and we should thank the OP. He/she put a lot of work into it.



I'd say that sounds about right. Based on this writeup, to get Blu on a Mac sounds like something that would be better suited for someone who already owns the Mac itself, as that is a pretty big chunk of the money spent. It seems a little more economical to just buy a computer with Blu-ray already installed if you don't have the Mac system already; i.e. I wouldn't go buy a Mac specifically for this project, then start adding all this stuff. If you have a computer with pre-installed Blu, you have "guaranteed" working Blu-ray computer -- which probably comes with a warranty that covers the drive and everything.

/my two cents

I Agree...

it's only economical if you already have a MAC i think. You can get PC's with bluray players in them for about 7-800 bucks. Or you can build one for about 500$.

MACS are cool cuz they have pretty cases, but over 90% of the computer world feels that they need a PC also. (Apple only has 5-7% of market share in home/business computers)

To use boot-camp with Windows, you have to purchase Windows software.

Isn't that against the reason to have a MAC in the first place??

[FendersRule]

Originally Posted by ObiTrentKenobi

I Agree...

it's only economical if you already have a MAC i think. You can get PC's with bluray players in them for about 7-800 bucks. Or you can build one for about 500$.

MACS are cool cuz they have pretty cases, but over 90% of the computer world feels that they need a PC also. (Apple only has 5-7% of market share in home/business computers)

To use boot-camp with Windows, you have to purchase Windows software.

Isn't that against the reason to have a MAC in the first place??

Apple now has roughly 12%. They are also the largest computer manufacture as well. Why would 90% of the world feel they would need a PC, if Macs can do EVERYTHING that Windows can (Dual Boot)?

But yea. I have 6 Macs, and I use to build PCs. Give me a Mac any day of the week. However, when I must boot into windows, then I must. Oh well, such is life.

ps- It's Mac, not "MAC"

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

Apple now has roughly 12%. They are also the largest computer manufacture as well. Why would 90% of the world feel they would need a PC, if Macs can do EVERYTHING that Windows can (Dual Boot)?

But yea. I have 6 Macs, and I use to build PCs. Give me a Mac any day of the week. However, when I must boot into windows, then I must. Oh well, such is life.

ps- It's Mac, not "MAC"

Try doing everything without Windows.

Try playing a Blu-ray on the installed BD drive. Oh, wait...

For comparison -
#1 Insert Blu-ray Disc.
#2 When Autorun appears, select player software of choice.
#3 Watch Blu-ray.

[FendersRule]

Originally Posted by dadkins

Try doing everything without Windows.

Try playing a Blu-ray on the installed BD drive. Oh, wait...

For comparison -
#1 Insert Blu-ray Disc.
#2 When Autorun appears, select player software of choice.
#3 Watch Blu-ray.

I don't care to watch Blu-ray on my computer. Blu-ray is theater Media IMO.

However, in MOSX, you can burn Blu-ray media (data storage).

Only thing I HAVE to boot into Windows for is using SPSS. Even then, it's optional because I should be doing it in my office

[dadkins]

It would seem many people do want to play Blu-ray on their Macs.

HTPC - Home Theater Personal Computer.
Computer for playing of media files/discs on one's - "Home Theater"

You made the claim of Mac being able to do everything that Windows can do - not without Windows it can't.

Blu-ray playback... that is something that you have to use Windows to do.
Without Windows, it's not going to happen. Sorry!

[FendersRule]

Originally Posted by dadkins

It would seem many people do want to play Blu-ray on their Macs.

HTPC - Home Theater Personal Computer.
Computer for playing of media files/discs on one's - "Home Theater"

You made the claim of Mac being able to do everything that Windows can do - not without Windows it can't.

Blu-ray playback... that is something that you have to use Windows to do.
Without Windows, it's not going to happen. Sorry!

It's not going to happen....NOW...it WILL happen.

You cannot do everything with Windows BTW either

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

It's not going to happen....NOW...it WILL happen.

You cannot do everything with Windows BTW either

You can do nearly everything with Windows.
I have yet to hear of someone needing OSX to do something, but even you admit to booting to Windows.

There is no need or want for me to boot to OSX.

[FendersRule]

Originally Posted by dadkins

You can do nearly everything with Windows.
I have yet to hear of someone needing OSX to do something, but even you admit to booting to Windows.

There is no need or want for me to boot to OSX.

Because you CAN'T, ever think about that?

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

Because you CAN'T, ever think about that?

Hackintosh - Google it!
If I wanted OSX on my VAIOs, it can be done - but why?
So I couldn't play my games?
So none of my software could run?
So I couldn't play my Blu-ray Discs?

There is nothing I would ever need to have OSX to do.

[FendersRule]

Originally Posted by dadkins

Hackintosh - Google it!
If I wanted OSX on my VAIOs, it can be done - but why?
So I couldn't play my games?
So none of my software could run?
So I couldn't play my Blu-ray Discs?

There is nothing I would ever need to have OSX to do.

Don't need to google Hackintosh, because you could probably learn something from me about them! They can be a huge waste of time and money. Would never recommend doing it. On top of that, you never get the full Apple experience, which is hardware and software engineering (I am an engineer myself, and I do take note of this).

1) You can play many games through MOSX. I bet more than you thought of. Go to www.insidemacgames.com and just take a browse.

2) All of your software can run in MOSX with VMWare Fusion. However, if you ever dive into a Macintosh (sounds like you havn't), you will learn that programs and applications are simply designed with better care. I have seen too much windows trash out there. Give me iMovie any day of the week over the crappy ass Windows Movie Maker. iTunes also over Windows Media Player. I could go on and on as well. Third party applications are something so beautiful and well done that you actually pay for them on the Macintosh. In Windows, I find that third party apps are more buggy and just plain flat out ugly. Hell, even the new Microsoft Office for the Macintosh is better than in Windows, can you believe that?

3) Again, who cares about Blu-ray for computers. Seriously? The market for that is too small for it. Yes, I know, I speak for myself as well. Let's concentrate on getting blu-ray big on TVs before computers. It will not work the other way around.

You remind me of myself when I was 18. Then at age 21, I built a Macintosh (yes, I said built)

[dadkins]

Uhm, see the name of this website.
See also the name of this particular forum.
One last thing to look at, the name of this thread.

You claimed that Mac can do everything Windows can do.
I stated that without Windows itself, no ya can't!

Have a Great One!

[ObiTrentKenobi]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

It's not going to happen....NOW...it WILL happen.

You cannot do everything with Windows BTW either

Oh? What "can't" you do with windows??

[ObiTrentKenobi]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

Don't need to google Hackintosh, because you could probably learn something from me about them! They can be a huge waste of time and money. Would never recommend doing it. On top of that, you never get the full Apple experience, which is hardware and software engineering (I am an engineer myself, and I do take note of this).

1) You can play many games through MOSX. I bet more than you thought of. Go to www.insidemacgames.com and just take a browse.

2) All of your software can run in MOSX with VMWare Fusion. However, if you ever dive into a Macintosh (sounds like you havn't), you will learn that programs and applications are simply designed with better care. I have seen too much windows trash out there. Give me iMovie any day of the week over the crappy ass Windows Movie Maker. iTunes also over Windows Media Player. I could go on and on as well. Third party applications are something so beautiful and well done that you actually pay for them on the Macintosh. In Windows, I find that third party apps are more buggy and just plain flat out ugly. Hell, even the new Microsoft Office for the Macintosh is better than in Windows, can you believe that?

I use to own an imac, it's certainly overpriced "engineering". And since you're an "engineer", how many clients prefer all their parts/components to be as proprietary as MAC software and hardware is? I guarantee you under 1%.

After I sold my imac (because it didn't serve any purpose to me). I've ran OSX on a virtual machine. Which ran perfectly fine! However, the issue was that I never used it, it's without actual purpose if i have Windows... so, delete!

I now enjoy all the gaming i want, video editing (sony vegas 8 pro - wont' run on MACS), adobe creative suite cs4, mediashout 3 (won't run on MACS), microsoft office 2007, swishmax 2 (won't run on MACS).

(i just deleted an entire paragraph about software, but i'm just gonna end it here, there's too much to say. I don't know why i even bother with these posts anymore)

GO PC!!!