500gb optical disc. Will it replace blu ray already - Blu-ray Forum

GreatWhite83 · 04-28-2009, 05:58 PM

The below article is from the bbc news website and has been on the news over here in England. What is your opinions on this new technology? It is enough to support 4k - 6k resolution.

A disc that can store 500 gigabytes (GB) of data, equivalent to 100 DVDs, has been unveiled by General Electric.

The micro-holographic disc, which is the same size as existing DVD discs, is aimed at the archive industry.

But the company believes it can eventually be used in the consumer market place and home players.

Blu-ray discs, which are used to store high definition movies and games, can currently hold between 25GB and 50GB.

Micro-holographic discs can store more data than DVDs or Blu-ray because they store information on the disc in three dimensions, rather than just pits on the surface of the disc.

The challenge for this area of technology has been to increase the reflectivity of the holograms that are stored on the discs so that players can be used to both read and write to the discs.

Brian Lawrence, who leads GE's Holographic Storage said on the GE Research blog: "Very recently, the team at GE has made dramatic improvements in the materials enabling significant increases in the amount of light that can be reflected by the holograms."

The higher reflectivity that can be achieved, the more capacity for the disc. While the technology is still in the laboratory stage, GE believes it will take off because players can be built which are backwards compatible with existing DVD and Blu-ray technologies.

In a statement the firm said: "The hardware and formats are so similar to current optical storage technology that the micro-holographic players will enable consumers to play back their CDs, DVDs and Blu-ray discs."

''GE's breakthrough is a huge step toward bringing our next generation holographic storage technology to the everyday consumer,'' said Mr Lawrence in a statement.

He added: "The day when you can store your entire high definition movie collection on one disc and support high resolution formats like 3D television is closer than you think.''

Micro-holographic technology has been one of the leading areas of research for storage experts for decades. Discs are seen as a reliable and effective form of storage and are both consumer and retail friendly.

However, General Electric will need to work with hardware manufacturers if it is to bring the technology to the consumer market.

The relatively modest adoption of Blu-ray discs sales globally might be an issue with some companies who believe digital distribution and cloud computing is the long-term answer to content delivery and storage.

"This is truly a breakthrough in the development of the materials that are so critical to ultimately bringing holographic storage to the everyday consumer," said Mr Lawrence.

ScarredLungs · 04-28-2009, 06:03 PM

Already done. August 5, 2008. Pioneer created a 500GB blu ray disc.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/storag...lu-ray-Disc/p1

SlmShdy1 · 04-28-2009, 08:26 PM

Is this the same or different from RED Ray?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=96774

skygreenleopard · 04-28-2009, 09:09 PM

This won't be the death knell for Blu-Ray. Other than giant screens, I don't foresee a need for higher resolution than we can get now from BD, so for the average television consumer, the possibility of movies on this disc matters little. I mean, people already criticize Blu-Ray for not offering much beyond DVD. What about this? What can you offer, besides higher resolution (which is moot unless you're displaying this in theaters with high-res projectors) and the capacity to offer more than one movie per disc? Blu-Ray's success was tied to the HDTV revolution. If not, multilayer DVDs would have found success earlier.

What this CAN offer is a new kind of viewing experience, but for the immediate future, I doubt this will impact home theater viewing.

Anthony P · 04-28-2009, 11:19 PM

do we realy need 100 threads on this? and to answer your question, no

dialog_gvf · 04-29-2009, 09:49 AM

What I find amazing is that every single announcement of recordable media breakthroughs (BD or whatever) is greeted by a wave of people querying about or predicting its use for packaged media.

It's not happened so far, for large volumes, since the launch of CD.

Replication would need to be invented for holographic discs, or the recordable media would have to drop under $5 to begin to be viable for duplication.

Gary

OrlandoEastwood · 04-29-2009, 11:17 AM

No and if it is, f*** it because I will not convert until Blu-Ray is dead like VHS.

Lanfear · 04-29-2009, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrlandoEastwood

No and if it is, f*** it because I will not convert until Blu-Ray is dead like VHS.

Well said. I agree.

Until everyone has 1000" screens and/or bionic eyes, there's no reason to go past the resolution that we can already get from Blu-ray.

brettallica · 04-29-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanfear

Well said. I agree.

Until everyone has 1000" screens and/or bionic eyes, there's no reason to go past the resolution that we can already get from Blu-ray.

I also agree with this...for now... I mean you have to think in relative terms. We're so blown away by Blu-ray and its abilities that perhaps we are blinded to the fact that there could be something better out there that could beat it — and sooner than later. Just a thought. I totally get what you're saying, though, and I've read quite a bit about resolutions and "get" how it works (although I'm by no means an expert).

jadedeath · 04-29-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by brettallica

I also agree with this...for now... I mean you have to think in relative terms. We're so blown away by Blu-ray and its abilities that perhaps we are blinded to the fact that there could be something better out there that could beat it — and sooner than later. Just a thought. I totally get what you're saying, though, and I've read quite a bit about resolutions and "get" how it works (although I'm by no means an expert).

If by 'sooner' you mean 6-10 years, then you're absolutely right.

Logan

brettallica · 04-29-2009, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jadedeath

If by 'sooner' you mean 6-10 years, then you're absolutely right.

Logan

I wasn't really meaning anything by it other than it "could possibly happen" and "it's possible that other, bigger, better things are out there." I wasn't looking to be "right" necessarily. I'm good to go with the current format (i.e. Blu-ray) for quite some time.

Lanfear · 04-29-2009, 09:12 PM

I think the next step for me is probably a holodeck. Other than that, I'm good

GreatWhite83 · 04-30-2009, 07:11 PM

well if blu ray is 1080 lines of resolution, imagine 4k or 6k lines of resolution. Holographic discs have the capacity to hold that level of information. You dont necessary need a bigger HDTV to benefit from the resolution increase.

The thing they would need first is a tv that can cope with 4k or 6k lines of resolution. Maybe thats where OLED tv will come into its own one day. and you copuld have a 46" OLED tv with a holographic disc player with a movie on a 6k holographic disc.

I think this will take off in cinemas first, then will eventually be adopted into the consumer market. My personal prediction.

04-28-2009, 05:58 PM	#1
GreatWhite83 Junior Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:England Home Theater Gallery:1 Blu-ray collection:2 DVD collection:2 iTunes collection:338	500gb optical disc. Will it replace blu ray already The below article is from the bbc news website and has been on the news over here in England. What is your opinions on this new technology? It is enough to support 4k - 6k resolution. A disc that can store 500 gigabytes (GB) of data, equivalent to 100 DVDs, has been unveiled by General Electric. The micro-holographic disc, which is the same size as existing DVD discs, is aimed at the archive industry. But the company believes it can eventually be used in the consumer market place and home players. Blu-ray discs, which are used to store high definition movies and games, can currently hold between 25GB and 50GB. Micro-holographic discs can store more data than DVDs or Blu-ray because they store information on the disc in three dimensions, rather than just pits on the surface of the disc. The challenge for this area of technology has been to increase the reflectivity of the holograms that are stored on the discs so that players can be used to both read and write to the discs. Brian Lawrence, who leads GE's Holographic Storage said on the GE Research blog: "Very recently, the team at GE has made dramatic improvements in the materials enabling significant increases in the amount of light that can be reflected by the holograms." The higher reflectivity that can be achieved, the more capacity for the disc. While the technology is still in the laboratory stage, GE believes it will take off because players can be built which are backwards compatible with existing DVD and Blu-ray technologies. In a statement the firm said: "The hardware and formats are so similar to current optical storage technology that the micro-holographic players will enable consumers to play back their CDs, DVDs and Blu-ray discs." ''GE's breakthrough is a huge step toward bringing our next generation holographic storage technology to the everyday consumer,'' said Mr Lawrence in a statement. He added: "The day when you can store your entire high definition movie collection on one disc and support high resolution formats like 3D television is closer than you think.'' Micro-holographic technology has been one of the leading areas of research for storage experts for decades. Discs are seen as a reliable and effective form of storage and are both consumer and retail friendly. However, General Electric will need to work with hardware manufacturers if it is to bring the technology to the consumer market. The relatively modest adoption of Blu-ray discs sales globally might be an issue with some companies who believe digital distribution and cloud computing is the long-term answer to content delivery and storage. "This is truly a breakthrough in the development of the materials that are so critical to ultimately bringing holographic storage to the everyday consumer," said Mr Lawrence.

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ScarredLungs Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Utah 4K collection:65 Blu-ray collection:1433 Prime collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:4	Already done. August 5, 2008. Pioneer created a 500GB blu ray disc. http://www.trustedreviews.com/storag...lu-ray-Disc/p1

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SlmShdy1 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Honolulu, HI PlayStation® PSN: SlmShdy1 Home Theater Gallery:39 Blu-ray collection:292	Is this the same or different from RED Ray? https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=96774

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skygreenleopard Active Member Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:15 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:3	This won't be the death knell for Blu-Ray. Other than giant screens, I don't foresee a need for higher resolution than we can get now from BD, so for the average television consumer, the possibility of movies on this disc matters little. I mean, people already criticize Blu-Ray for not offering much beyond DVD. What about this? What can you offer, besides higher resolution (which is moot unless you're displaying this in theaters with high-res projectors) and the capacity to offer more than one movie per disc? Blu-Ray's success was tied to the HDTV revolution. If not, multilayer DVDs would have found success earlier. What this CAN offer is a new kind of viewing experience, but for the immediate future, I doubt this will impact home theater viewing.

04-28-2009, 11:19 PM	#5
Anthony P Blu-ray Count Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Montreal, Canada	do we realy need 100 threads on this? and to answer your question, no

04-29-2009, 09:49 AM	#6
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	What I find amazing is that every single announcement of recordable media breakthroughs (BD or whatever) is greeted by a wave of people querying about or predicting its use for packaged media. It's not happened so far, for large volumes, since the launch of CD. Replication would need to be invented for holographic discs, or the recordable media would have to drop under $5 to begin to be viable for duplication. Gary

04-29-2009, 11:17 AM	#7
OrlandoEastwood Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:R-Point Blu-ray reviews:86 Trading Score:24	No and if it is, f*** it because I will not convert until Blu-Ray is dead like VHS.

04-29-2009, 09:12 PM	#12
Lanfear Active Member Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Long Island, NY Blu-ray collection:96	I think the next step for me is probably a holodeck. Other than that, I'm good

04-30-2009, 07:11 PM	#13
GreatWhite83 Junior Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:England Home Theater Gallery:1 Blu-ray collection:2 DVD collection:2 iTunes collection:338	well if blu ray is 1080 lines of resolution, imagine 4k or 6k lines of resolution. Holographic discs have the capacity to hold that level of information. You dont necessary need a bigger HDTV to benefit from the resolution increase. The thing they would need first is a tv that can cope with 4k or 6k lines of resolution. Maybe thats where OLED tv will come into its own one day. and you copuld have a 46" OLED tv with a holographic disc player with a movie on a 6k holographic disc. I think this will take off in cinemas first, then will eventually be adopted into the consumer market. My personal prediction.

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