Someone mention Bang & Olufsen recently...

[werewuf]

And asked what they were up to, apparently a 103" 1080p plasma!

Go here:
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/hdt...nch-hdtv-15843

[dobyblue]

I'm pretty sure the plasma panel is sourced from Panasonic.

[ijokr]

How good are Bang and Olufsen?

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by ijokr

How good are Bang and Olufsen?

If Panasonic is making the panel....good enough!


They are notoriously expensive though..... so a huge price tag on this item certainly wouldn't be a surprise.

[ijokr]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

If Panasonic is making the panel....good enough!


They are notoriously expensive though..... so a huge price tag on this item certainly wouldn't be a surprise.

Well the 103" supposedly carries twice the price tag from the 103" panasonic. I wouldn't imagine it being twice as good. What I've heard and seen is that they look very stylish so that's the market they aim to, plus they sure have to be good, just not worth it.

[allstar780]

it has some very cool design aspects... but all i want is a TV with great PQ and one can be had for far less than this.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by ijokr

Well the 103" supposedly carries twice the price tag from the 103" panasonic. I wouldn't imagine it being twice as good.

The picture quality should be identical if the panel is sourced from Panasonic...and I have no doubt it is unless anyone is aware of any other factory capable of producing a 103" plasma panel? B&O certainly don't own one.

[allstar780]

well they could be using a better image processor and whatnot than the panny, which would result in better PQ... but for some reason i doubt this TV is meant to market to videophiles

[werewuf]

Originally Posted by allstar780

well they could be using a better image processor and whatnot than the panny, which would result in better PQ... but for some reason i doubt this TV is meant to market to videophiles

Definitely will have different and better processing than the Panasonic. I had one of their 27" TV's back in 1990 and it had superior PQ than any other TV at that time- it was truly stunning. The tube was RCA but the processing was B & O and it crushed the competition. At the time it listed for $2500
How do you figure it's not meant to be marketed to videophiles?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by allstar780

well they could be using a better image processor and whatnot than the panny, which would result in better PQ... but for some reason i doubt this TV is meant to market to videophiles

Of course you're right, it will use B&O technology, only the panel will be from Panny.

Originally Posted by werewuf

Definitely will have different and better processing than the Panasonic.

No it won't - I would wager money that the Panny will blow the B&O out of the water, simply because B&O make equipment for people with too much money that don't know any better whereas Panasonic makes equipment that performs. B&O spend their money on marketing and aesthetic appeal, not on research and development.

Panasonic are far ahead of B&O on product development and research and development. Panasonic are the guys that have to bring Pixar into a 2k screening of their Blu-ray encodes and meet with approval, their Viera sets are miles better than anything B&O has on market. B&O is lifestyle equipment, not videophile/audiophile equipment.

[SquidPuppet]

LOL

For $111,000.00 I could build a theater in my backyard.

DUH!

[Grevlin]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

LOL

For $111,000.00 I could build a theater in my backyard.

DUH!

You could build an addition, install a top of the line projector and sound system and even stock it with girls for that amount

or... plop that tv down in your living room.

[werewuf]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Of course you're right, it will use B&O technology, only the panel will be from Panny.



No it won't - I would wager money that the Panny will blow the B&O out of the water, simply because B&O make equipment for people with too much money that don't know any better whereas Panasonic makes equipment that performs. B&O spend their money on marketing and aesthetic appeal, not on research and development.

Panasonic are far ahead of B&O on product development and research and development. Panasonic are the guys that have to bring Pixar into a 2k screening of their Blu-ray encodes and meet with approval, their Viera sets are miles better than anything B&O has on market. B&O is lifestyle equipment, not videophile/audiophile equipment.

You obviously don't know B & O very well. They have made some insane equipment over the years that were as good or better than the mainstream players of today. Panasonic makes the most flat panels but not the best. It has always been that way since I started with home theater on the 80's. Only recently has Panny been taken seriously, and not necessarily rightly so they are still not the best of the best....

[lojack1976]

I have seen a few reviews on their sets and apparently they are extremely good performers, and I think they would have to be for the money that they charge. HERE is a review of one their plasmas. I would say based on this and other reviews that I've seen that they do perform better than Panasonic in general. Video processing has consistently been better than Panasonic in every B&O review I've seen, and we know that video processing is not Panasonic's strongest suit. Color accuracy is also better than Panasonic...something that Panasonic has also struggled with. Is the B&O worth twice the money? Not to me, but there's obviously a market for their sets. They also pack their TV's with a lot of high end features that you won't see in Panasonic sets...or Pioneer for that matter. I'd say their competition is more along the lines of Runco.

[ijokr]

performance aside, I don't like at all the aesthetics on the B&O.....

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by werewuf

You obviously don't know B & O very well.

I grew up in the Cayman Islands, I can assure you I know lots of people with more money than sense who have bought B&O cassette decks, CD players, TV's, etc. over the years. B&O's quality started going down the toilet in the early 90's when they went more for looks and size and the expense of sound quality.

Originally Posted by lojack1976

I have seen a few reviews on their sets and apparently they are extremely good performers, and I think they would have to be for the money that they charge. HERE is a review of one their plasmas. I would say based on this and other reviews that I've seen that they do perform better than Panasonic in general. Video processing has consistently been better than Panasonic in every B&O review I've seen, and we know that video processing is not Panasonic's strongest suit. Color accuracy is also better than Panasonic...something that Panasonic has also struggled with. Is the B&O worth twice the money? Not to me, but there's obviously a market for their sets. They also pack their TV's with a lot of high end features that you won't see in Panasonic sets...or Pioneer for that matter. I'd say their competition is more along the lines of Runco.

With those types of reviews...who needs actual measurements!!



You think this set has more high end features than Pioneer? What exactly would those features be? I have no doubt the Panasonic 103" will be better than the B&O and believe most Viera sets right now outperform B&O sets.

[lojack1976]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I grew up in the Cayman Islands, I can assure you I know lots of people with more money than sense who have bought B&O cassette decks, CD players, TV's, etc. over the years. B&O's quality started going down the toilet in the early 90's when they went more for looks and size and the expense of sound quality.



With those types of reviews...who needs actual measurements!!



You think this set has more high end features than Pioneer? What exactly would those features be? I have no doubt the Panasonic 103" will be better than the B&O and believe most Viera sets right now outperform B&O sets.

Granted, they didn't take measurements, but I never said that they out-black any other sets either. They did say that this set does produce deep blacks though. Also, look at the reviews they've done for other sets. I haven't seen them give five stars for performance or features in the Panasonic reviews. I do concede that they haven't reviewed any newer models, but we know Panasonic hasn't been handing out all sorts of features, and yeah Panasonic has impressive pictures, but we know that they are far from perfect too.

The only other set that I've seen them give five stars to in performance and features is the 6020FD. There maybe others, but I didn't look for others since there aren't too many sets that should get five stars. And while we're talking about features...how about the B&O weighing in at 271lbs. for starters? The stand is motorized. It is shown in an aluminum finish, but there are five other options of styling offered too. The TV also self calibrates itself periodically. I'm not saying that this set or the 103" version of the set are worth the high price tags, but if these sets had sub-par performance then there wouldn't be much of a market for them at all. Just as there is a market for Panasonic's Premiere sets there is a market for these.

And as for their speakers, I've yet to see a bad review on them. Yeah, they're crazy expensive and the market for speakers that expensive($16,000 a pair for the Beolab 5's) is pretty tough, but I've also seen glowing reviews on them. They are also pretty uniquely designed. Innovation and styling is a big part of their appeal, but performance has to also be there for anyone to pay the price of admission.

[dobyblue]

Well I can't speak on the Beo5's because I've never heard them, but they do seem to have some favourable reviews...just none with benchmark tests which I'd like to see.

In all honesty though, it is possible for a company to spend all their money on design and marketing and have very little performance. Better Sound....

[lojack1976]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Well I can't speak on the Beo5's because I've never heard them, but they do seem to have some favourable reviews...just none with benchmark tests which I'd like to see.

In all honesty though, it is possible for a company to spend all their money on design and marketing and have very little performance. Better Sound....

Yeah, that's very true...cough..Bose...cough..eh hem...