Kuro P141 vs. p 151

[backtothecanvas]

i just spoke with a local pioneer dealer and let him know i will be purchasing a kuro p151 in the next week or so. he asked me if i was interested in the 141 and mentioned it was a better set and was also called the "signature series". he said it was made with a higher grade glass then the 151 and has a slightly nicer picture. does this hold any validity? he said i could have it for 5 grand out the door. he mentioned it did not have speakers or a base, 2 things i do not need any ways!! let me know your thoughts please . . . .

[Sonny]

The "slightly better picture" does not hold water in my book. The quality of the components used to assemble the sig. series are hand picked & are supposed to be the best of the best.

It comes down to price & preference on your part? You will not be disappointed either way, thats a garentee you can take to the bank.

[fdm]

Might want to consider that it doesn't have a built in HDTV tuner...

Check some of the online reviews at (I think) www.ultimateavmag.com and/or www.hometheatermag.com. Looks like they've fallen off their homepages, but I think they've both been covered. Pretty good reviews that will probably give you info you seek.

[backtothecanvas]

Originally Posted by fdm

Might want to consider that it doesn't have a built in HDTV tuner...

Check some of the online reviews at (I think) www.ultimateavmag.com and/or www.hometheatermag.com. Looks like they've fallen off their homepages, but I think they've both been covered. Pretty good reviews that will probably give you info you seek.

so basically i need my dvr cable box and im fine right?

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by backtothecanvas

so basically i need my dvr cable box and im fine right?

Yes.

[Scooby Blu]

Tell said dealer you will take it for 4,800 and see what he says.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by backtothecanvas

i just spoke with a local pioneer dealer and let him know i will be purchasing a kuro p151 in the next week or so. he asked me if i was interested in the 141 and mentioned it was a better set and was also called the "signature series". he said it was made with a higher grade glass then the 151 and has a slightly nicer picture. does this hold any validity? he said i could have it for 5 grand out the door. he mentioned it did not have speakers or a base, 2 things i do not need any ways!! let me know your thoughts please . . . .

The PRO-141FD has PAL and SECAM signal support and expanded picture setup controls. See this link for more details on the main advantages of the Elite Signature series.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1796387&postcount=727

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The PRO-141FD has PAL and SECAM signal support and expanded picture setup controls. See this link for more details on the main advantages of the Elite Signature series.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1796387&postcount=727

I was surprised to learn that my KRP also supports these signals.

[jibucha]

Hello

Definitely, of all the Pioneer Elite plasma, the Pro-101FD and the Pro-141FD are the way to go for the best in picture quality, if Pioneer is the preferred display.

I did not research pricing for the Pro-141FD, but the smaller Pro-101FD can be had for less than $3000 rather easily.

However, having just completed extensive research; I highly recommend consideration of the Panasonic V10 Series that just recently became available.

I was so close to the Pioneer's, but will be ordering in a few days the TC-P50V10, for less than $2000, which I am currently convinced is a superior display for many reasons.

Well, just a few thoughts.

Thank You

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by jibucha

Hello

Definitely, of all the Pioneer Elite plasma, the Pro-101FD and the Pro-141FD are the way to go for the best in picture quality, if Pioneer is the preferred display.

I did not research pricing for the Pro-141FD, but the smaller Pro-101FD can be had for less than $3000 rather easily.

However, having just completed extensive research; I highly recommend consideration of the Panasonic V10 Series that just recently became available.

I was so close to the Pioneer's, but will be ordering in a few days the TC-P50V10, for less than $2000, which I am currently convinced is a superior display for many reasons.

Well, just a few thoughts.

Thank You

Sorry to burst your bubble in regaurds to the V10.

Per D-Nice at AVS:

"Niether the G10 nor V10 is a match for any of the 9G Kuros. They cannot even match the 8G 768p Kuros in performance beyond peak brightness (768p non Elites excluded)."

This man knows this business better than 99.9% of people in it.

I know the Panasonic's are great displays, but there still not top dog.

OP, stick to getting a Pioneer, & get the best.

[wafi]

Originally Posted by jibucha

Hello

Definitely, of all the Pioneer Elite plasma, the Pro-101FD and the Pro-141FD are the way to go for the best in picture quality, if Pioneer is the preferred display.

I did not research pricing for the Pro-141FD, but the smaller Pro-101FD can be had for less than $3000 rather easily.

However, having just completed extensive research; I highly recommend consideration of the Panasonic V10 Series that just recently became available.

I was so close to the Pioneer's, but will be ordering in a few days the TC-P50V10, for less than $2000, which I am currently convinced is a superior display for many reasons.

Well, just a few thoughts.

Thank You

Yeah dude I would go with a Kuro, I've witnessed the G10 and the V10 in action but imo they dont come near a Kuro.

[jibucha]

Hello

Thank You

I have done considerable careful research over the past seven months, was going to purchase both of the Pioneer, the Pro-101FD, the Pro-111FD, and the Panasonic TC-P50V10; and then, with careful consideration, after professional calibration, make final decisions and go from there, depending on the results.

But given information from some insightful reviews that I stumbled onto, purchase of service manuals, and countless calls directly to Pioneer; I decided only a few days ago, canceling all Pioneer purchase plans, based entirely on recent information and careful consideration.

Additionally, it is nice, given this decision, independent of Panasonic, that I do not have to wait any longer for the Panasonic V10 Series, as they just became available. Prior to this development, I was expecting to have to wait several more months, so this is a delightful development, that they are now available.

Regarding whether the Pioneer are as good as the Panasonic; I defer now, to rely entirely on my own personal observations directly of the Panasonic; referencing it entirely against itself and my current reference monitors.

The Pioneer though, has completlely lost my attention as a consideration, as it simply does not compare after all, given some very reliable information.

By the way; just carefully considering the Pansonic V10 Series; there is considerable informtion already available, preceeding any reviews known to me, as to why it is most likely the best ever offered.

Regardless, I have concluded to forgo the Pioneer units, strictly on it's merits, which was not a cost issue at all, and go with the Panasonic, entirely on it's obvious advantages.

As none of your quoted sources could possible have already had first hand experience with the Panasonic V10 Series displays, how can you reliably make the statements that you have; after all, they have only been available for a few days now, and according to my checking AVS Forums specifically, including today minutes ago, there is no information on them at this time based on professional calibrations or any other private individual for that matter. As they are in shipment as I write this, I expect considerable information to become available extremely soon from many forums and reviewers; but at this exact moment, this information is unavailable, which specifically includes your references.

Certainly, I am putting my money on the Panasonic, but how anyone can bet against it without any reliable information; what do you think that I think about that?

The first models have already shipped, so I expect some information to finally be available on the V10 Series models, so at least some first hand information will become available soon.

For myself; the decision is already made, as the Pioneer displays, regardless Panasonic considerations, have failed to meet my criteria based entirely on their display performance.

Panasonic V10 Series, on the other hand, have meet all of my current criteria, so they are worth my purchase, which the Pioneer displays clearly are not.

If the Panasonic disappoints upon my personal home viewing, that is fine; at least it was worth the time and consideration. Regardless, the Pioneer units have already failed, so they are no longer a consideration, and I am well aware of the widespread support for their units, but they no longer have my attention.

I spent an enormous amount of time and resources in this pursuit of a flat panel display, and it is disappointing to have read your support for the Pioneer and against the Panasonic, at a point in time where no reliable information is available regarding the Panasonic, only the Pioneer. In all fairness, is this not a bit irresponsible?

Thank You

Originally Posted by Sonny

Sorry to burst your bubble in regaurds to the V10.

Per D-Nice at AVS:

"Niether the G10 nor V10 is a match for any of the 9G Kuros. They cannot even match the 8G 768p Kuros in performance beyond peak brightness (768p non Elites excluded)."

This man knows this business better than 99.9% of people in it.

I know the Panasonic's are great displays, but there still not top dog.

OP, stick to getting a Pioneer, & get the best.

[jmgag03]

I just ordered a 151FD being fully aware I could have pretty much paid the same for a 141 and a stand. The reason I did is because I decided in the end I liked having the option of using a TV tuner and having speakers if it ever became a bedroom TV or something.

The 141FD has a couple of more calibration options than the 151FD in the ISF menus. I would imagine that you wouldn't notice a difference between the two pre-calibration unless you want the thinner TV (which is the 141FD). Would you notice a difference post calibration? I am completely unqualified to make that call and have never seen them post calibration side by side and very few people in the world probably have. You are going to have to ask a pro-calibrator at AVS Forum that question.

Also, just from a purely arbitrary stand point 151 is higher than 141 .

[fdm]

Originally Posted by jibucha

Thank You

All that, and not even a hint of why you decided against the Pioneer...

[jibucha]

Hello

You should easily have concluded, that the issues were significant; enough to turn me from a purchase that was a given just a few days ago; of which on one recent day, I was seconds from purchaseing one of them, as the price was right, but I thought that I would delay to read some more, and now, I am that much happier for my non-purchase.

Yes; can you imagine just how many pages it would take to detail all of the issues that were considered?

Furthermore, given the argumentative atmosphere; why bother?

Especially, when Pioneer Elite is so well considered, which I understand and appreciate, but cannot agree with?

In closing, my interest was in the best picture quality, based entirely on a professionally calibrated display, which relies heavily on just how much adjustment is available by the manufacturer, which indicates just how close to proper calibration is possible.

Subjectivity, which is very common, is fine for fulfilling personal taste, but certainly not with regards to the best that any display has to offer. Given that most do not appreciate professionally calibrated displays, that my foremost criteria was being able to fully calibrate for the best picture quality, I defer to the following.

There are a few reviews that clearly detail some of the more significant issues, that are well known here, so this information is easily available to anyone with an interest.

Thank You

Originally Posted by fdm

All that, and not even a hint of why you decided against the Pioneer...

[scweb13]

I'm still confused. Are you a politician? Because that was the farthest thing from a straight answer that I've ever read.

[wafi]

Originally Posted by scweb13

I'm still confused. Are you a politician? Because that was the farthest thing from a straight answer that I've ever read.

I agree lets hear some facts Jibucha...I am not here to argue but I would like to hear what exactly [the numbers if you will] made you change your mind. I for one want to hear and see technology advancing, so if V10 kicks Kuros' ass then by all means lets hear it! As far as I can tell nobody here is saying anything against Pannys. We merely require information based on tangible sources.

[Porfie]

Originally Posted by Sonny

Sorry to burst your bubble in regaurds to the V10.

Per D-Nice at AVS:

"Niether the G10 nor V10 is a match for any of the 9G Kuros. They cannot even match the 8G 768p Kuros in performance beyond peak brightness (768p non Elites excluded)."

This man knows this business better than 99.9% of people in it.

I know the Panasonic's are great displays, but there still not top dog.

OP, stick to getting a Pioneer, & get the best.

Amen to that D-nice knows his stuff as do CNET, sound and vision, and all the many other sources who rate the Pioneer kuro 111fd and 151fd as the absolute best TV you can buy today. For those in doubt google it and you will see the many reviews that proove this fact.

[funnymanbing]

Originally Posted by jibucha

Hello

You should easily have concluded, that the issues were significant; enough to turn me from a purchase that was a given just a few days ago; of which on one recent day, I was seconds from purchaseing one of them, as the price was right, but I thought that I would delay to read some more, and now, I am that much happier for my non-purchase.

Yes; can you imagine just how many pages it would take to detail all of the issues that were considered?

Furthermore, given the argumentative atmosphere; why bother?

Especially, when Pioneer Elite is so well considered, which I understand and appreciate, but cannot agree with?

In closing, my interest was in the best picture quality, based entirely on a professionally calibrated display, which relies heavily on just how much adjustment is available by the manufacturer, which indicates just how close to proper calibration is possible.

Subjectivity, which is very common, is fine for fulfilling personal taste, but certainly not with regards to the best that any display has to offer. Given that most do not appreciate professionally calibrated displays, that my foremost criteria was being able to fully calibrate for the best picture quality, I defer to the following.

There are a few reviews that clearly detail some of the more significant issues, that are well known here, so this information is easily available to anyone with an interest.

Thank You

You're funny.

[redlikefire02]

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