Another SXRD Question...

[Linksys2.4]

Does the KDS-50A2020 series resolve FULL 1080p in its STANDARD mode? Does anything need to be "set" in the TV to make sure all pixels are being displayed?

There doesn't seem to be a "pixel for pixel" feature on this set, so I just want to make sure that in STANDARD mode, I'm not losing any resolution from my BD player...

[Elvis Is Alive]

Your display will ALWAYS display 1080P regardless of the resolution of the video source. It doesn't matter what picture mode you are watching. It only displays a fixed resolution. Of course the picture will be better if it is being fed 1080P from a blu-ray than crap 480i/p from SD sources.

All rear projection displays have overscan (2% to 5% is typical) but you will be seeing full 1080P assuming your Blu-ray player can output that resolution.

[solarrdadd]

Elvis is correct and he has Not left the building!

[maygit]

Originally Posted by Linksys2.4

Does the KDS-50A2020 series resolve FULL 1080p in its STANDARD mode? Does anything need to be "set" in the TV to make sure all pixels are being displayed?

There doesn't seem to be a "pixel for pixel" feature on this set, so I just want to make sure that in STANDARD mode, I'm not losing any resolution from my BD player...

To further answer your question, No there is not a pixel for pixel(or dot per dot) mode because of the overscan that it always has.

[Linksys2.4]

Thanks very much for the replies, guys...I appreciate them...

I asked the question initially because I recall reading reports about the SXRDs having "problems" resolving or "displaying" 1080p resolution in Custom mode; not sure what model that was...

I totally understand that the TV is a fixed panel display and will always show 1080p, either upscaled by the TV or a source device, but while I AM feeding the display 1080p from my BD player, I wanted to be sure that in STANDARD picture mode, I am getting all 1080p resolution...

Also, why does the KDS-50A2020 not provide a Pixel For Pixel feature, because of its overscan, but other Sony models do?

[Silo5]

Originally Posted by Linksys2.4

Thanks very much for the replies, guys...I appreciate them...

I asked the question initially because I recall reading reports about the SXRDs having "problems" resolving or "displaying" 1080p resolution in Custom mode; not sure what model that was...

I totally understand that the TV is a fixed panel display and will always show 1080p, either upscaled by the TV or a source device, but while I AM feeding the display 1080p from my BD player, I wanted to be sure that in STANDARD picture mode, I am getting all 1080p resolution...

Also, why does the KDS-50A2020 not provide a Pixel For Pixel feature, because of its overscan, but other Sony models do?

I think you are referring to the problems they had before they released a firmware upgrade. You can order from here: http://esupport.sony.com/perl/news-i...mdl=KDS60A3000


There is also more information here:https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ony+kds60a3000

[popcornninja]

Originally Posted by Silo5

I think you are referring to the problems they had before they released a firmware upgrade. You can order from here: http://esupport.sony.com/perl/news-i...mdl=KDS60A3000


There is also more information here:https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ony+kds60a3000

That is for the A3000 series, not the A2020 (which OP has).

Quote from Sony's site - "please verify that your model number is KDS-60A3000"

[Linksys2.4]

Thank you for the continued assistance guys...

Yes, I have the A2020 series, so are there problems "seeing" 1080p in any mode -- especially "Standard," which I use?

[kingofgrills]

Nope. There weren't any 1080p issues with the A2000 or A2020 lines. You have nothing to worry about.

Have you noticed any display issues with your set?

[Linksys2.4]

Originally Posted by kingofgrills

Nope. There weren't any 1080p issues with the A2000 or A2020 lines. You have nothing to worry about.

Thanks, 'Grills...

So, the issues came in the series AFTER the A2020s?

Have you noticed any display issues with your set?

No, not really, except for the fact that I was looking for more "pop" with the set on BD playback; this is probably a limitation of the rear projection technology, and what I probably want is an LCD so I get that "surreal," floating-off-the-screen effect, but I was just hoping that my set, in Standard mode, was exhibiting TRUE 1080p over HDMI...

[kingofgrills]

Have you had your set properly calibrated? From my personal experience with my SXRD, as well as others I've seen, they offer an incredible film-like image when properly calibrated.

Nothing beats a certified in-home calibration, but if you haven't don that try this for starters:

www.tweaktv.com

It's a database of ISO certified calibration settings for various TV models. You can enter your model and find settings that were determined for that set. Granted, there will be variances since each situation is different, but it will give you a good starting point.

[Linksys2.4]

Originally Posted by kingofgrills

Have you had your set properly calibrated? From my personal experience with my SXRD, as well as others I've seen, they offer an incredible film-like image when properly calibrated.

Nothing beats a certified in-home calibration, but if you haven't don that try this for starters:

www.tweaktv.com

Indeed, I am getting a film-like image, even with the set's horrible SSE. But I think some Blu-rays just don't give that three-dimensional "pop" as on 120Hz LCD sets, you know? It's probably the rear pro technology that's bugging me most...

As for Tweak TV, yeah, I checked out that site, but didn't find much on the model I have, if they even had settings for it at all. I also don't subscribe to copying one person's settings to another set; still, it's funny that you asked about my set being calibrated because I JUST NOW posted this in the Sony settings thread:

Hello Forum...

Wanted to share my settings on my KDS-50A2020 SXRD; for a bit of a background on how I came to them, well, I realized that everyone who owns a Sony display pretty much uses "Custom" picture mode and avoids "Vivid"...however, after much fiddling with the set for years now, I came to the conclusion (well, long ago) that "Standard" mode seems to strike the best balance between the somewhat "dull" appearance of a calibrated "Custom" and the retina-searing "Vivid" and also cuts down on the daunting task of having to tweak all the Advanced parameters in "Custom" such as white balance, detail enhancer, live color, etc. "Standard" seemed to be a better "set it and forget it" type of mode, so I simply calibrated in that mode...

The following settings were arrived at after calibrating with a "DiscWasher" standard DVD setup disc, and then with a DVE HD Basics Blu-ray calibration disc, further confirmed with a THX Optimizer for "final checks." The source is a Panasonic DMP-BD10A Blu-ray player, set to pass 1080p video for DVD as well as Blu-ray Discs, through an Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver, and out to the Sony SXRD...ONLY HDMI connections are being made. HDMI OUT from the player, to HDMI IN of the receiver, then HDMI OUT of the receiver to HDMI IN on the Sony...

Room lighting comes from a torch lamp just to the left and behind the TV a bit, and is always dimmed for film watching.

Picture Mode: Standard
Advanced Iris: Auto 1
Picture: 80
Brightness: 52
Color: 42
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 28
Noise Reduction: Low

Please note that my KDS-50A2020 doesn't allow for "advanced settings" in "Standard" picture mode, so these basic settings are all there is...the TV MAY apply some edge enhancement or detail enhancement automatically in this mode, but I am uncertain.

Still, with these settings, there is a bit of "coldness" to the image, due to the Neutral color temp probably, and with most Blu-rays, there is a vicious "yellow push" which makes skintones and sun-lit sequences in films appear very gold and drenched in a yellowish-gold hue.

If anyone could advise on using "Standard" mode, or what I can do to filter some of this yellow push out, I would appreciate it.

It's a database of ISO certified calibration settings for various TV models. You can enter your model and find settings that were determined for that set. Granted, there will be variances since each situation is different, but it will give you a good starting point.

Oh, OK -- as I said, Tweak didn't have settings for the KDS-50A2020 SXRD...

[kingofgrills]

It looks like you've really worked on calibration a bit, so this may not help you out. My only suggestion would be to try the TweakTV Custom Mode settings for the KDS-50A2000 since the 2020 is not in the database. According to Sony, the only difference between the two models is the frame color (A2000 is silver and A2020 is black).

Personally, I dislike the artificial look given by 120 Hz sets, but that's just me.

[Linksys2.4]

Did you calibrate your SXRD with Custom?

Thanks for all your help...

Just wanted to confirm that no matter what picture mode, my KDS-50A2020 is putting out true 1080p...

[kingofgrills]

Yep, I calibrated it with the custom mode. In fact, we calibrated it in custom, standard, and vivid - each for a different viewing situation.

Custom was for movie viewing, in a darkened room optimize primarily for watching Blu-rays. Standard was used with average ambient room lighting, mostly focused on broadcast viewing. Vivid was adjusted for use in bright light conditions, such as mid-afternoon viewing with curtains open, although I never watch it that way.

And yes, the SXRD cranks out 1080p all the time, in all modes. Remember though, viewing quality and scaling resolution all depends on your source material.

[Linksys2.4]

Originally Posted by kingofgrills

Yep, I calibrated it with the custom mode. In fact, we calibrated it in custom, standard, and vivid - each for a different viewing situation.

Custom was for movie viewing, in a darkened room optimize primarily for watching Blu-rays. Standard was used with average ambient room lighting, mostly focused on broadcast viewing. Vivid was adjusted for use in bright light conditions, such as mid-afternoon viewing with curtains open, although I never watch it that way.

Would you say that my "theory" of Standard being okay to use as a "comprimise" between Vivid and Custom is valid to a certain degree? Is it okay to use Standard for all media viewing, that is, standard DVDs and Blu-rays, being that I calibrated this mode with both a DVD and Blu-ray setup disc?

And yes, the SXRD cranks out 1080p all the time, in all modes. Remember though, viewing quality and scaling resolution all depends on your source material.

Of course, the source material matters; I've seen a great number of piss poor transfers already in HD.

But the main issue was wondering if MY specific SXRD -- the A2020 -- didn't lose any resolution by using a certain mode.

[mr.hidef]

All rear projection displays have overscan (2% to 5% is typical)

This is true....but If your sharpness setting is 18 or less.....you hardly ever see it! Don't worry your eyes will adjust and in no time you WILL notice detail you never have before.I still say the sharpness control is something they NEVER should have put in televisions, because most people don't really know what they are looking for when they set theirs........

[Linksys2.4]

Originally Posted by mr.hidef

All rear projection displays have overscan (2% to 5% is typical)

This is true....but If your sharpness setting is 18 or less.....you hardly ever see it! Don't worry your eyes will adjust and in no time you WILL notice detail you never have before.I still say the sharpness control is something they NEVER should have put in televisions, because most people don't really know what they are looking for when they set theirs........

From everything I have learned (on this forum!) with regard to sharpness, this is the one control that affects grain on Blu-rays and noise on standard DVDs the most...as soon as I adjusted this from my TV's default of "50" (out of "100") to "28" using calibration discs, the image looked better.

So, ALL rear pros have overscan so that's why there's no pixel-for-pixel adjustment on them?