Poor motion resolution on OLED?

[Drooch]

I want to make the jump to 4K but I’m currently using a Kuro plasma and I gather the present tech (eg OLED) has poorer motion resolution, and a less natural filmic look than plasma.

Is this the case and, if so, will we likely see a screen that actually improves on plasma? I don’t want to downgrade. Thanks.

[HDTV1080P]

The only negative regarding OLED is that it loses resolution with fast moving motion. Yes the Pioneer plasmas have a more organic film quality look when 24fps film material is triple flashed on the screen at 72Hz.


The benefits of OLED is the static full 3840 x 2160P resolution with absolute blacks that are as deep as the best CRT and deeper blacks then any released Pioneer plasma.


Another option is to go the DLP projector route which is the King of motion quality (better then plasma when it comes to motion), however true 4K DLP projectors are extremely expensive.

[VitoXBR]

I'm still rocking a 2002 Sony XBR 720p/1080i widescreen tube, as i am scared also to downgrade...

[Drooch]

Thanks for the info.

Is it possible that OLED will be able to correct this shortcoming, or that a new TV tech will get it right?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Drooch

Thanks for the info.

Is it possible that OLED will be able to correct this shortcoming, or that a new TV tech will get it right?

Almost anything is possible, however to fix some of these issues it could mean a flat panel that costs $1,000-$2,000+ more. Most people are happy with the OLED picture quality when compared to LCD screens with LED backlighting. OLED flat panel manufactories are most likely going to focus their attention on price and increasing production. OLED one day could go down the road which plasma traveled. If OLED costs $500-$1,000+ more then the average flat panel screens, then mainstream consumers will pass on the technology. Its the videophiles keeping the demand going for OLED. Videophiles want the best in picture quality and are willing to pay a premium price for OLED.

[kingdoxie]

Originally Posted by Drooch

I want to make the jump to 4K but I’m currently using a Kuro plasma and I gather the present tech (eg OLED) has poorer motion resolution, and a less natural filmic look than plasma.

Is this the case and, if so, will we likely see a screen that actually improves on plasma? I don’t want to downgrade. Thanks.

No this is not the case.

[Neutron82]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Yes the Pioneer plasmas have a more organic film quality look when 24fps film material is triple flashed on the screen at 72Hz.

I bought a c7 oled earlier this year and while the colors and hdr are absolutely fantastic, film grain does not appear as well defined when compared to my plasma... I still have a vt60 that I moved to the bedroom and film grain looks more well defined on that set and if you get close you can see the individual pixels but on the oled film grain looks smeared if you get close (kinda like a watercolor painting if that makes sense) and you can't see the individual pixels like you can on the plasma... is this what you are referring to in your reply or is this just due to the amount of pixels compared to a 1080p set or is it something else?

[HDTV1080P]

I am referring to frame interpolation on OLED and LCD screens having a soap opera like effect instead of the natural repeating frame method without frame interpolation. When frame interpolation is turned off the motion resolution on OLED and LCD flat panels goes way down in quality.


Some of what you are seeing is the differences in the way plasma and OLED flat panels display the image on the screen. There is still advantages to the 1080P plasma when it comes to motion. Hopefully some of the motion issues with OLED will be fixed over the years, if not then some consumers will be going with a DLP or LCOS style projector.

[crackinhedz]

I have two Panasonic plasmas I've been watching for almost 10 years now, and finally jumped into 4k with the LG55B7.

I can't say I notice any problems from plasma to OLED. If anything, it almost feels like a plasma but with the better black.

[Drooch]

Originally Posted by kingdoxie

No this is not the case.

That's not what the tech-heads over at AVForums are saying:

OLED 1080p/4K: 300 lines of native motion resolution (600 lines with trix added)
Pioneer 9G Kuro: 800 lines of native motion resolution

no the OLEDs will not be as sharp as the Kuros in motion.

why do you think LG is using fixed objects in their 4K demos ?

[Yellbean2002]

I returned a LG B6 (which was replacing a Panny ZT60) due to this exact reason. The poor motion resolution was a deal breaker for me. I saw a youtube video about the 2018 models will now use black frame insertion which is what I believe made plasmas excel in motion. Someone please correct me if I have this twisted.

[brentsg]

I went from Kuro plasma to LG OLED in 2016. While I did initially notice the motion resolution change, after setting some very minor amounts of compensation in terms of interpolation, I don't see it now. I also don't notice any soap opera effects, which I hate. The only negative that I ever experience with my current settings is during hockey. Every once in a while the puck will flicker a bit when it is dumped down the ice at a certain speed.

Of course needing no interpolation would be preferable, but it was far less of an issue than I expected.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Yellbean2002

I returned a LG B6 (which was replacing a Panny ZT60) due to this exact reason. The poor motion resolution was a deal breaker for me. I saw a youtube video about the 2018 models will now use black frame insertion which is what I believe made plasmas excel in motion. Someone please correct me if I have this twisted.

Black frame insertion is used on some projectors. I know the Pioneer plasmas use a triple flash method for 24fps and displays images at 72fps (72Hz).

[RyanMatthew]

Originally Posted by Neutron82

I bought a c7 oled earlier this year and while the colors and hdr are absolutely fantastic, film grain does not appear as well defined when compared to my plasma... I still have a vt60 that I moved to the bedroom and film grain looks more well defined on that set and if you get close you can see the individual pixels but on the oled film grain looks smeared if you get close (kinda like a watercolor painting if that makes sense) and you can't see the individual pixels like you can on the plasma... is this what you are referring to in your reply or is this just due to the amount of pixels compared to a 1080p set or is it something else?

This is why I'm not happy with my B6, but no one would take me seriously! On my old Sony LED, everything was beautifully sharp, but on the LG OLED, it's smeared. I can't stand it.

I assumed that this was because of Sony's superior processing/upscaling.

[Neutron82]

Originally Posted by RyanMatthew

This is why I'm not happy with my B6, but no one would take me seriously! On my old Sony LED, everything was beautifully sharp, but on the LG OLED, it's smeared. I can't stand it.

I assumed that this was because of Sony's superior processing/upscaling.

I guess it's just part of the technology but it's hit or miss depending on the content... personally the problem seems to be more prominent with 4k discs that have grain, blu-rays look pretty good (grain or not) as well as digitally shot 4k's but the 4k's with a lot of grain are more troublesome... I am a fan of grain so it is a bit of a drawback compared to the plasma but other than that the tv looks great