Emily - Crossing the Uncanny Valley - Blu-ray Forum

kingofgrills · 08-20-2008, 04:29 PM

This is not directly PS3 related, but it represents a huge step in human computer animation. The company working on this, Image Metrics, developed the human animations for Grand Theft Auto IV.

The uncanny valley is that point in computer animation that developers are seeking to cross, where humans perceive the computer generated image to be real. Quantic Dream is trying to push the boundaries with Heavy Rain, and they're coming really close, especially for a video game, let alone CGI.

I think Image Metrics can see the other side of the uncanny valley. Check out the article and video at this link:

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/...cle4557935.ece

I'd like to see video games reach this level of animation realism some day. It may not be possible on the PS3. However, if the PS3 isn't close to being maxed out, as Sony claims, maybe we'll see something close down the road.

Blu Jacket · 08-20-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kingofgrills

This is not directly PS3 related, but it represents a huge step in human computer animation. The company working on this, Image Metrics, developed the human animations for Grand Theft Auto IV.

The uncanny valley is that point in computer animation that developers are seeking to cross, where humans perceive the computer generated image to be real. Quantic Dream is trying to push the boundaries with Heavy Rain, and they're coming really close, especially for a video game, let alone CGI.

I think Image Metrics can see the other side of the uncanny valley. Check out the article and video at this link:

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/...cle4557935.ece

I'd like to see video games reach this level of animation realism some day. It may not be possible on the PS3. However, if the PS3 isn't close to being maxed out, as Sony claims, maybe we'll see something close down the road.

Holy Shnikey, that's impressive! I would have sworn that was a real person.

jkwest · 08-20-2008, 06:33 PM

unbelievable....that is amazing..

Ascended_Saiyan · 08-20-2008, 09:36 PM

This reminds me of Lightstage (part of Cinema 2.0) for ATI's new 4800 GPU. ATI takes a slightly different approach to crossing the uncanny valley. They just capture all the data sets of the actual person and renders that person digitally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz7AukqqaDQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT37b2QjkZc&NR=1

Personally, I believe both approaches are in PS4 territory, but I guess we'll find out, at least, by 2011. The future of game graphics look bright indeed!

silversnake · 08-20-2008, 11:45 PM

pretty nice video

quexos · 08-21-2008, 01:23 AM

Somehow my instincts tell me that this is real, no way they can animate this realistically. I suppose that reason says this is really CGI but wow

zoon_ii · 08-21-2008, 03:33 PM

check out this link. It's amazing where we're going. Imaging COD one of these days. or uncharted.

We are on the brink of .......something spectacular in the world of gaming.

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/...cle4557935.ece

quexos · 08-21-2008, 03:35 PM

there's already a thread about this called uncanny valley or something.
By the way the voice of the girl is a real girl's voice or is it synthetic too ?

jkwest · 08-21-2008, 03:36 PM

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=60927

stockstar1138 · 08-21-2008, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoon_ii

check out this link. It's amazing where we're going. Imaging COD one of these days. or uncharted.

We are on the brink of .......something spectacular in the world of gaming.

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/...cle4557935.ece

its gonna be a long, long time before a game looks that good. id guess the end of the 9th gen. we might see something that good at the earliest.

games of today are about the level of toy story animation (and toy story was not ground breaking in terms of realism). so real-time gaming quality is about a decade and a half behind pre-rendered stuff

it will be at least 12-15 more years before we start seeing games look that good.

jkwest · 08-21-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stockstar1138

its gonna be a long, long time before a game looks that good. id guess the end of the 9th gen. we might see something that good at the earliest.

games of today are about the level of toy story animation (and toy story was not ground breaking in terms of realism). so real-time gaming quality is about a decade and a half behind pre-rendered stuff

it will be at least 12-15 more years before we start seeing games look that good.

oh be quiet..like you know anything, turdface...

stockstar1138 · 08-21-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jkwest

oh be quiet..like you know anything, turdface...

i know that games have a graphical plateau and that there is no way anything this gen. will look that good.

i know that most likely next gen. will see some pretty amazing stuff, it will still probably fall short of that.

the gen. after that is most likely. however, we have to keep in mind where the gaming industry is headed and just how much it would cost to render an entire game in that level of detail. i mean, that was a 30 sec. video, imagine Kojima having to make 9 hours of cutscenes look that good, it would take a long time even with the hardware of the future and it would take a lot of money.

if things like the wii continue to do well, the market will move away from graphical powerhouse consoles and more into innovative gameplay features.

jkwest · 08-21-2008, 03:48 PM

Logic!!!

alphapyro · 08-21-2008, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkwest

oh be quiet..like you know anything, turdface...

Turdface!

xtop · 08-21-2008, 04:10 PM

gotta remember video games got a lot of other stuff going on that movies dont. we're many years off like stockstar says

chnandler_bong · 08-21-2008, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkwest

oh be quiet..like you know anything, turdface...

Real mature.

I watched Emily's mouth and it still doesn't seem quite right. It looks like they do have basic facial expressions down pretty good though.

kingofgrills · 08-21-2008, 05:45 PM

I'm really excited about this. Not that we'll reach this level of realism on PS3, but developers will continue to push the envelope forward. The company that worked on Emily, has been developing motion capture technology for several years. Recently their technology and work has been applied to GTA IV and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. If you check out their web site, you'll see a different test demo as well. It's not to the level of Emily, but it probably has a better shot of being attainable on PS3 than Emily.

Here's a link.

http://www.image-metrics.com/

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08-20-2008, 04:29 PM	#1
kingofgrills Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Dec 2007 Location:PDX Home Theater Gallery:31 4K collection:5 Blu-ray collection:81 Trading Score:31	Emily - Crossing the Uncanny Valley This is not directly PS3 related, but it represents a huge step in human computer animation. The company working on this, Image Metrics, developed the human animations for Grand Theft Auto IV. The uncanny valley is that point in computer animation that developers are seeking to cross, where humans perceive the computer generated image to be real. Quantic Dream is trying to push the boundaries with Heavy Rain, and they're coming really close, especially for a video game, let alone CGI. I think Image Metrics can see the other side of the uncanny valley. Check out the article and video at this link: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/...cle4557935.ece I'd like to see video games reach this level of animation realism some day. It may not be possible on the PS3. However, if the PS3 isn't close to being maxed out, as Sony claims, maybe we'll see something close down the road.

08-21-2008, 03:33 PM	#7
zoon_ii Active Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:St. Louis, MO Home Theater Gallery:8	computer animation now beginning to blur the lines of reality for games check out this link. It's amazing where we're going. Imaging COD one of these days. or uncharted. We are on the brink of .......something spectacular in the world of gaming. http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/...cle4557935.ece

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08-20-2008, 06:33 PM	#3
jkwest Off-Topic King Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Northern California PSN Id: jkwest5 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:20	unbelievable....that is amazing..

08-20-2008, 09:36 PM	#4
Ascended_Saiyan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Atlanta, Georgia Blu-ray collection:608 Trading Score:1	This reminds me of Lightstage (part of Cinema 2.0) for ATI's new 4800 GPU. ATI takes a slightly different approach to crossing the uncanny valley. They just capture all the data sets of the actual person and renders that person digitally. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz7AukqqaDQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT37b2QjkZc&NR=1 Personally, I believe both approaches are in PS4 territory, but I guess we'll find out, at least, by 2011. The future of game graphics look bright indeed!

08-20-2008, 11:45 PM	#5
silversnake Blu-ray Champion Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Montreal Home Theater Gallery:22 4K collection:7 Blu-ray collection:498 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:32	pretty nice video

08-21-2008, 01:23 AM	#6
quexos Banned Member since:May 2007 Location:Brussels, Belgium	Somehow my instincts tell me that this is real, no way they can animate this realistically. I suppose that reason says this is really CGI but wow

08-21-2008, 03:35 PM	#8
quexos Banned Member since:May 2007 Location:Brussels, Belgium	there's already a thread about this called uncanny valley or something. By the way the voice of the girl is a real girl's voice or is it synthetic too ?

08-21-2008, 03:36 PM	#9
jkwest Off-Topic King Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Northern California PSN Id: jkwest5 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:20	https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=60927

08-21-2008, 03:48 PM	#13
jkwest Off-Topic King Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Northern California PSN Id: jkwest5 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:20	Logic!!!

08-21-2008, 04:10 PM	#15
xtop Blu-ray Count Member since:Oct 2007 Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- Trading Score:3	gotta remember video games got a lot of other stuff going on that movies dont. we're many years off like stockstar says

08-21-2008, 05:45 PM	#17
kingofgrills Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Dec 2007 Location:PDX Home Theater Gallery:31 4K collection:5 Blu-ray collection:81 Trading Score:31	I'm really excited about this. Not that we'll reach this level of realism on PS3, but developers will continue to push the envelope forward. The company that worked on Emily, has been developing motion capture technology for several years. Recently their technology and work has been applied to GTA IV and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. If you check out their web site, you'll see a different test demo as well. It's not to the level of Emily, but it probably has a better shot of being attainable on PS3 than Emily. Here's a link. http://www.image-metrics.com/ .

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