PS3 Display Settings: Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI) ON or OFF? - Blu-ray Forum

Shutter · 11-26-2007, 08:35 AM

Hi all,

This is a techinal question I have no understanding of but really need advice.

I got 1 year old 40'' HD-ready Sony BRAVIA LCD HDTV (KDL40S2000) connected to my PS3 via HDMI cable.

Go to the Display Settings and Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI), now should the option be ON or OFF?? What is the best??

What is this Super-White option do? What's the difference with ON and OFF?

Please educate me, thanks in advance.

I also experiemented with the Display Settings RGB Full Range and turned it to Full. I notice that the dark spot is alot darker (more diffecult to see detail in the dark spot) BUT the color vibrant is alot better. I'm still not sure weather to set this to Full or Limited

What do people here recomend?

dakota81 · 11-26-2007, 08:44 AM

superwhite on, rgb full. My guess are that the options are set to the opposites by default to make the PS3 look decent on poorly calibrated tvs (like if they are set too dark or too bright, the PS3 output will still be adequate). But if you've custom set the brightness/contrast/etc. to your liking, you should get a better picture with superwhite on & rgb set to full.

swifty7 · 11-26-2007, 08:49 AM

turn super white to on but leave RGB to limited if you want shadow detail otherwise you get black crush with RGB full.

Shutter · 11-26-2007, 09:23 AM

Thank you guys, I experiemented more and it's now SUPERB!

SingingTheBlues · 11-26-2007, 09:27 AM

Yeah, I saw the black crush with the RGB on full, as well, Then I brought up the brightness, and I seemed to get it back.

I wonder what the benefits are of RGB full, in the first place? Why even have it?

Someone who knows more, please chime in.

Grisle · 11-26-2007, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shutter

Thank you guys, I experiemented more and it's now SUPERB!

What did you end up doing?

Robmx · 11-26-2007, 10:53 AM

I have thought about using these myself but haven't tried yet.... My thoughts would be to log all the current settings you have now... Then turn on those options and do a new calibration as the contrast and others will be changing to get the new setup correct.... Then try out some Blu's you enjoy and see... Keep it if you like it or set it back to original way with notes you made...

Shutter · 11-26-2007, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grisle

What did you end up doing?

I kept the new setup to RGB: Full and Super-White: ON and manually adjusted the brightness on TV to clear up the dark spot = Result much better image and superb color quality

Grisle · 11-26-2007, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shutter

I kept the new setup to RGB: Full and Super-White: ON and manually adjusted the brightness on TV to clear up the dark spot = Result much better image and superb color quality

I tried it with the full and it was way too dark so I tried limited and it looked good, but I'll raise the brightness and see if it's better in full...thanks.

Frode · 11-26-2007, 03:37 PM

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=21592

Shutter · 11-26-2007, 06:31 PM

One more help guys,

On the PS3 Display Settings there is another option called "Cross Color Reduction Filter", should it be ON or OFF??

Frode · 11-26-2007, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shutter

One more help guys,

On the PS3 Display Settings there is another option called "Cross Color Reduction Filter", should it be ON or OFF??

Off. Only use it for DVDs which have rainbow like artifacting.

Shutter · 11-26-2007, 06:58 PM

Ok thanks everyone

Jason One · 11-26-2007, 07:43 PM

Shutter, if I may add my late advice...

On your display, for Blu-ray/DVD playback through HDMI, you want the following settings:

BD / DVD Settings -- BD / DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) -- Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr

This first setting causes video from Blu-rays and DVDs to be output as Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr (and doesn't affect games, which are always output as RGB). I recommend this because Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr outputs at correct reference video levels.

Display Settings -- Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI) -- On

This second setting allows the PS3 to output the blacker-than-black (BTB) and whiter-than-white (WTW) portions of the video signal (a must for accurate video). The combination of Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr and Super-White On is the only way to get BTB and WTW.

I do not recommend using RGB for BD/DVD Output Format. RGB Limited will give you correct video levels, but not BTB and WTW. RGB Full will give you computer levels (not what you want with your display), which as others have mentioned will result in major black crushing, and still no BTB or WTW.

Deciazulado · 11-26-2007, 10:13 PM

Well the blacker than black stripe is there so you don't go way off in the other direction when adjusting manually by eye, but I've never needed it to make black, black. Actually with CRTs I use a British pluge of 2%. If the room lights are out, the room sealed and my eyes adjusted to darkness for 20 minutes, if I can see the 2% bar, and nudging black level one bit makes it disappear, making it appear again, I know I'm only about +/-1% max in error, when 5% error is where people find the gamma of the pic to be unnaceptable.

killermike2178 · 04-04-2012, 06:27 AM

For my setup, using the Disney WOW World of Wonder Calibration Disc, I found out it was better for me to leave the Super-White set to "Off", and the RGB Full set to "Limited", since I wasn't getting the white stars on the Advanced Contrast Test that were supposed to be invisible to be invisible with the Super-White setting "On". I just got my PS3 today, so I assumed that it would be best if I turned it on, since so many people on this thread say so, but that simply wasn't the case. Be sure you know what you're really doing before you play with these settings, and maybe pick up a calibration disc like this.

11-26-2007, 08:35 AM	#1
Shutter Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Thailand, Norway	PS3 Display Settings: Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI) ON or OFF? Hi all, This is a techinal question I have no understanding of but really need advice. I got 1 year old 40'' HD-ready Sony BRAVIA LCD HDTV (KDL40S2000) connected to my PS3 via HDMI cable. Go to the Display Settings and Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI), now should the option be ON or OFF?? What is the best?? What is this Super-White option do? What's the difference with ON and OFF? Please educate me, thanks in advance. I also experiemented with the Display Settings RGB Full Range and turned it to Full. I notice that the dark spot is alot darker (more diffecult to see detail in the dark spot) BUT the color vibrant is alot better. I'm still not sure weather to set this to Full or Limited What do people here recomend? Last edited by Shutter; 11-26-2007 at 08:37 AM.

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11-26-2007, 08:44 AM	#2
dakota81 Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007	superwhite on, rgb full. My guess are that the options are set to the opposites by default to make the PS3 look decent on poorly calibrated tvs (like if they are set too dark or too bright, the PS3 output will still be adequate). But if you've custom set the brightness/contrast/etc. to your liking, you should get a better picture with superwhite on & rgb set to full.

11-26-2007, 08:49 AM	#3
swifty7 Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Trading Score:3	turn super white to on but leave RGB to limited if you want shadow detail otherwise you get black crush with RGB full.

11-26-2007, 09:23 AM	#4
Shutter Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Thailand, Norway	Thank you guys, I experiemented more and it's now SUPERB!

11-26-2007, 09:27 AM	#5
SingingTheBlues Banned Member since:Nov 2007	Yeah, I saw the black crush with the RGB on full, as well, Then I brought up the brightness, and I seemed to get it back. I wonder what the benefits are of RGB full, in the first place? Why even have it? Someone who knows more, please chime in.

11-26-2007, 10:53 AM	#7
Robmx Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Niagara, Ontario, Canada	I have thought about using these myself but haven't tried yet.... My thoughts would be to log all the current settings you have now... Then turn on those options and do a new calibration as the contrast and others will be changing to get the new setup correct.... Then try out some Blu's you enjoy and see... Keep it if you like it or set it back to original way with notes you made...

11-26-2007, 03:37 PM	#10
Frode Special Member Member since:Feb 2007	https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=21592

11-26-2007, 06:31 PM	#11
Shutter Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Thailand, Norway	One more help guys, On the PS3 Display Settings there is another option called "Cross Color Reduction Filter", should it be ON or OFF??

11-26-2007, 06:58 PM	#13
Shutter Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Thailand, Norway	Ok thanks everyone

11-26-2007, 07:43 PM	#14
Jason One Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:497 Blu-ray collection:2025 DVD collection:318	Shutter, if I may add my late advice... On your display, for Blu-ray/DVD playback through HDMI, you want the following settings: BD / DVD Settings -- BD / DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) -- Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr This first setting causes video from Blu-rays and DVDs to be output as Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr (and doesn't affect games, which are always output as RGB). I recommend this because Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr outputs at correct reference video levels. Display Settings -- Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI) -- On This second setting allows the PS3 to output the blacker-than-black (BTB) and whiter-than-white (WTW) portions of the video signal (a must for accurate video). The combination of Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr and Super-White On is the only way to get BTB and WTW. I do not recommend using RGB for BD/DVD Output Format. RGB Limited will give you correct video levels, but not BTB and WTW. RGB Full will give you computer levels (not what you want with your display), which as others have mentioned will result in major black crushing, and still no BTB or WTW.

11-26-2007, 10:13 PM	#15
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1161 Blu-ray collection:7055 DVD collection:4063	Well the blacker than black stripe is there so you don't go way off in the other direction when adjusting manually by eye, but I've never needed it to make black, black. Actually with CRTs I use a British pluge of 2%. If the room lights are out, the room sealed and my eyes adjusted to darkness for 20 minutes, if I can see the 2% bar, and nudging black level one bit makes it disappear, making it appear again, I know I'm only about +/-1% max in error, when 5% error is where people find the gamma of the pic to be unnaceptable.

04-04-2012, 06:27 AM	#16
killermike2178 Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Austin, TX Blu-ray reviews: 12	For my setup, using the Disney WOW World of Wonder Calibration Disc, I found out it was better for me to leave the Super-White set to "Off", and the RGB Full set to "Limited", since I wasn't getting the white stars on the Advanced Contrast Test that were supposed to be invisible to be invisible with the Super-White setting "On". I just got my PS3 today, so I assumed that it would be best if I turned it on, since so many people on this thread say so, but that simply wasn't the case. Be sure you know what you're really doing before you play with these settings, and maybe pick up a calibration disc like this.

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