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Jun 2008
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well i think this is not looking good for warner brothers. it appears as though they're begging or pleading their case to the people and fans so to speak cause they know they have no case. i say pony up warner brothers and you wouldn't have this problem. stop the whining.
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Anybody know cause it would be interesting to see how Fox are claiming rights |
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Jun 2008
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they own the distribution rights to the movie and have so since 1994. read the other thread on this for fuller information. fox does clearly have rights and a case. or warner brothers wouldn't bother will settling right now.
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This has been dumb on Warner Brothers part from the beginning. Supposedly Fox warned WB before and during production that they believed they owned the rights to the movie but WB ignored them. Now they are paying for it, possibly big time.
I understand the frustration by the producers who have spent 15 years trying to get this made but it seems Fox has a serious claim. |
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I wonder what this producer's reaction would have been if someone had made the movie without him (and without rights) not paying him any money? Would he still have been just as happy to see it because it was "made"?
If HE was honest, I think he'd have to say he wouldn't stand for it and would sue, just like Fox is doing. |
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This letter can be looked at two ways.
The producer is obviously one sided and wants the film to be made. No one can argue that. They handed the same package to two studios at the same time? Doesn't that sound a little fishy to anyone? Also no where in that letter does he discuss why Fox believes they own the rights to distrubute the film. From what I read Gordon made a deal with Fox and the clause was they had the rights to distrubute the film. Both Fox and WB both seem extremely sneaky here to me and everyone is getting screwed. WWB should give the rights to Fox to release the Batman TV series on DvD and Blu and WB gets to release this for the fans and others excited by the film. Any delay of this film being released will seriously hurt the movie's box office intake. If this movie gets pushed back until Transformers comes out, this will only make half of what the movie could. |
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It all comes down to whether you believe squatting on IP is ok to do or not. If they're not going to develop the property, they have no moral right to it, even if the law is on their side. You know, there are firms that actually buy up patents and sit on them. They might be great patents too. But they don't develop them and they don't make the rights available to those who would develop them. They sit on them and wait. Wait for someone to try to produce something that is similar to their patent. Then they sue them. That's how they make money. They don't do anything. They buy patents, then sue if anyone tries to create anything like it. This is essentially what Fox is doing in this case. They had the rights to this for so long, had plenty of opportunity, but failed to act. But now that WB took the necessary steps, they want a piece of the pie without investing in the project? You think that's fair? Quote:
If Fox deserves anything, it'd be the relatively paltry sum that the distribution rights were worth BEFORE any of this business about WB producing this film went down. Back when the rights they had were meaningless theoretical distribution rights for a movie they didn't want to be involved with, that for all intents and purposes appeared as though it would never be made. |
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That's how it's done? Why wouldn't you wait for a no from the company that actually owns the distribution rights before looking for a different distributor? I find that extremely hard to believe.
And as for my opinion on the matter, if Fox warned WB before and during production than I say they are in the right. That would mean they didn't just wait until the movie was getting a good buzz or fan interest before stepping in and saying give me a slice of the pie. |
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Hmmmmmm, I think it's total bull**** of Fox though to tell them the script was a piece of S*** and they wanted no part in making the movie. But now they want a cut of the money! The d*** movie wouldn't have ever been made if it weren't for WB picking it up.
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It was what they recieved for the money the initially invested back in the day in regard to developing the picture. It doesn't matter whether they passed on the film or felt the script they were presented was utter crap. And Fox informed WB about their claim. WB was the sneaky party in attempting to ignore Fox's claims and go ahead without paying the piper. Now it's biting them on the ass. Hopefully Fox gets what they're owed and more. |
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Should have started and ended with this, and I would have still agreed.
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And yes, it seems pretty clear that Fox does have legal right here, but morality is not always in line with the law. Not only that, but it's not like WB just set out to make this film that they knew they didn't have rights for; they thought it was within their rights to produce and distribute this. They didn't go "oh well, we know Fox has rights to this, but screw them!" They thought they had gone through all necessary legal hoops for this thing. Again, legal right and moral right does not always coincide. Quote:
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Morally speaking, Fox deserves very little here. They've had the rights all of this time and have actively decided not to develop the property. If Fox had a film adaptation in preproduction, I'd say Fox had a moral claim to this, but it's not fair for them to squat on this thing, only bringing legal action this late in the game. You may say "oh well Fox warned them". This "warning" should have been the time when legal action was brought. Doing it this late in the game was a tactic to extort money out of WB, because WB has this finished film in their hands and they really must meet a deadline on this thing. The bottom line here is that Fox invested a VERY small amount of money on this thing, then strategically waited until late in the game to try to get WB more willing to pay to get their movie out on time. They want an inordinate return on their investment; they want a big slice of the pie without investing in the property like WB has. I stand by what I said before. Fox should only be entitled to what the distribution rights were worth before WB began preproduction on this picture. WB shouldn't have to plunk down a large slice of their potential profits here, only pay what the distribution rights were worth back when Fox was sitting on this property with no plans to do anything involving it. |
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The rights to make the film were with the Producer. So they weren't sitting on the property. Quote:
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I am not sure if Fox is owed money here, but if they did not want to make the movie and had the rights to distrubute the movie, they should have sold those rights to the WB who was willing to take a chance and make the movie.
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