24P (Is it worth it?)

[MasterSandman]

I've been looking at buying a Panasonic plasma either in the G10 or V10 series and I was just wondering if 24P is really worth it.

I know the V10 series is supposed to play 24P properly without flicker while the G10 series still has the same flicker problems as last year's models so I would be using the 60hz refresh rate instead to alleviate the issue while the V10 uses 96hz. However, the V10 series will be considerably more expensive than the G10.

It seems as the main improvements in the V10 series is that it is only two inches thick with one pane of glass and it displays 24P content properly.

My question...how different is watching Blu-ray movies in 24P? Is it really that much of an improvement?

[sancho26]

Originally Posted by MasterSandman

I've been looking at buying a Panasonic plasma either in the G10 or V10 series and I was just wondering if 24P is really worth it.

I know the V10 series is supposed to play 24P properly without flicker while the G10 series still has the same flicker problems as last year's models so I would be using the 60hz refresh rate instead to alleviate the issue while the V10 uses 96hz. However, the V10 series will be considerably more expensive than the G10.

It seems as the main improvements in the V10 series is that it is only two inches thick with one pane of glass and it displays 24P content properly.

My question...how different is watching Blu-ray movies in 24P? Is it really that much of an improvement?

I just bought a Panasonic Viera Plasma TC-P42U1 but I have no idea what your talking about with the 24P? Sorry I'm fairly new to HDTV's I was just curious what that meant? I'm not sure what the V10 or G10 is either? but my TV looks amazing I love how Blu-ray movies look on it. I just bought Transformers and I was blown away

[Trogdor2010]

The Panasonic plasmas have problems with filmic flicker, except with the V10 model you've mentioned. Most blu ray players that send a 1080p signal in 60Hz actually converts the 1080p24Hz (24p) video into 1080i (60i) with 2:3 pulldown at 60Hz , then the player deinterlaces the 1080i60Hz signal into 1080p60Hz (60p). Basically it sends deinterlaced video into progressive video. With a 1080p 24Hz signal, you actually see the full resolution of the Blu Ray disc, and it is the speed most movies are shot. There is a trade off for some displays that don't show it properly, TVs that run at 60Hz use 2:3 pulldown to convert the 1080p24Hz signal to 1080p60Hz, some claim to see more judder this way, but the problem is the 2:3 pulldown processing is poor on the tv. displays that multiply the signal (48Hz, 72Hz, 96Hz and 120Hz) will show less judder than the 1080p60Hz (or native 1080p24Hz) as long as their is no additional processing (Like Motion flow from sony or AMP from Samsung). There is actually visible judder in the native 24p speed because the speed is slow alone, but In my opinion that is the best option as it accurately presents what is shown in the theater and keeps it filmlike, but you may not like the judder caused by camera pans.

But do not get 1080p tv for 24Hz support just because it shows every pixel of the source, you may not find it worth it since the pixels are so small to see the difference and also on screen sizes that small, a very large tv or a projector would be a better choice for 1080p video since the benefits of a higher resolution are more visible, but it is a very nice feature to have. You also have to consider the fact most people that watched VHS tapes and dvds seen movies with 2:3 pulldown at 60Hz, and if you watch more movies at home, you wont notice it if it never bothered you in the past.

Happy hunting

[Sonny]

It's just one of those things... I prefer to have displays that do it all & keep playback as close to the theatrical presentation as possible, which my Kuro's do with their 72Hz refresh rate. If your buying a display now a days , why not get the best you can with every feature possible to aid in perfect PQ the best playback possible????
Some people feel that it makes no difference & that's fine, but they don't normaly have a capable display to start with...

From what I've learned & seen the G10 & V10 still don't top or match ANY of the 9G kuro's , or even the 768p 8G Elites (except in brightness), over all, and in PQ. Strong words I know... This is confirmed from D-Nice over at AVS.

[repete66211]

Is it worth it? Theoretically the higher refresh rate makes a big difference in the presentation of film source material. However, practically you may not notice a difference. Personally, compatibility with 24 f/s source material would be nice, but I'd be drooling over the V10 for a few other reasons.

So is it worth it? As usual, the answer is "only if you can afford it".

[PSB_Paradigm_HSU]

I too was in the same boat:

Get G10 now or wait AND pay roughly $500 more for the V10. I originally was going to wait for the V10 for sure but now that the gap is $800???!! I couldnt justify the benefits of the V10 worthy of $800.

The G10 is SO good I have no regrets about getting it and not waiting for the V10. Of course I would take it over the G10 if they were both free, but we all know nothing is free! But basically if you can afford the V10 without thinking twice, get it! Otherwise, Im sure you'll be thoroughly pleased with the G10

[MasterSandman]

If the Canadian dollar was on par with the American dollar as it was a year ago, this would be a much easier decision, haha.

I'd grab the V10 online for $2299 instead of $3099 which it is here, in my town anyway.

[blurayisking]

Hello MasterSandman:

Where have you seen the V10 in Canada ??????????

I wasn't aware that it was available yet.

I am also debating on whether to go with the 50G10 or the 50V10, especially in regard to the 1080/24p playback. Incidently, the V10 offers cinema color which is not provided on the G10. Try to get a copy of the multi-page color Panasonic brochure that gives a comparison chart of the models and you see that the V10 series provides additional benefits.

[MasterSandman]

Originally Posted by blurayisking

Hello MasterSandman:

Where have you seen the V10 in Canada ??????????

I wasn't aware that it was available yet.

I haven't exactly seen it but one of the guys at a local store here in Lloydminster said that he could order me one in and it would show up in a few weeks. He told me the price and everything and said he might be able to get me a deal as they weren't even planning on stocking any...

[Got2LoveGadgets]

I can really notice the difference between flicking 24p on and off on my big screen especially on panning shots like at the begging of The Dark Knight I would say its worth the extra cash

[Tru2theBlu]

Originally Posted by Sonny

It's just one of those things... I prefer to have displays that do it all & keep playback as close to the theatrical presentation as possible, which my Kuro's do with their 72Hz refresh rate. If your buying a display now a days , why not get the best you can with every feature possible to aid in perfect PQ the best playback possible????
Some people feel that it makes no difference & that's fine, but they don't normaly have a capable display to start with...

From what I've learned & seen the G10 & V10 still don't top or match ANY of the 9G kuro's , or even the 768p 8G Elites (except in brightness), over all, and in PQ. Strong words I know... This is confirmed from D-Nice over at AVS.

You should consider the price difference between the 9G Pioneers and the 2009 Panasonics. Look at the initial release of the 9Gs, and then the new Panasonics, the price difference is thousands of dollars. I would hope that Panasonic wasn't able to reproduce the exact same picture quality for 40%-60% less money! And that is why Pioneer is out of business in the plasma market, because Panasonic can manufacture a plasma that comes close to the 9Gs for a fraction of the cost. And I would think that within a couple of years, Panasonic will reach the picture quality of the 9G.

[naturephoto1]

Originally Posted by Tru2theBlu

You should consider the price difference between the 9G Pioneers and the 2009 Panasonics. Look at the initial release of the 9Gs, and then the new Panasonics, the price difference is thousands of dollars. I would hope that Panasonic wasn't able to reproduce the exact same picture quality for 40%-60% less money! And that is why Pioneer is out of business in the plasma market, because Panasonic can manufacture a plasma that comes close to the 9Gs for a fraction of the cost. And I would think that within a couple of years, Panasonic will reach the picture quality of the 9G.

They probably will not need to with the demise of the Pioneer Plasmas and it will depend on their competition which is shrinking.

Rich

[dobyblue]

You should put 24Hz capability well behind black levels, motion resolution, ANSI contrast, etc. It's nowhere near as important as those.

[lghaze42]

Originally Posted by MasterSandman

I've been looking at buying a Panasonic plasma either in the G10 or V10 series and I was just wondering if 24P is really worth it.

I know the V10 series is supposed to play 24P properly without flicker while the G10 series still has the same flicker problems as last year's models so I would be using the 60hz refresh rate instead to alleviate the issue while the V10 uses 96hz. However, the V10 series will be considerably more expensive than the G10.

It seems as the main improvements in the V10 series is that it is only two inches thick with one pane of glass and it displays 24P content properly.

My question...how different is watching Blu-ray movies in 24P? Is it really that much of an improvement?

I have a Panny 800u and in thr 24p mode I have no flicker.I am wondering if I am the only person here who has all three components matched?....Panny TV,Panny BD player,and Panny receiver.As I have said before makes sense that Panasonic would use their products to check BD performance.

[lojack1976]

Originally Posted by Sonny

It's just one of those things... I prefer to have displays that do it all & keep playback as close to the theatrical presentation as possible, which my Kuro's do with their 72Hz refresh rate. If your buying a display now a days , why not get the best you can with every feature possible to aid in perfect PQ the best playback possible????
Some people feel that it makes no difference & that's fine, but they don't normaly have a capable display to start with...

From what I've learned & seen the G10 & V10 still don't top or match ANY of the 9G kuro's , or even the 768p 8G Elites (except in brightness), over all, and in PQ. Strong words I know... This is confirmed from D-Nice over at AVS.

I may be mistaken, but I thought the G10 was slightly better than the 8G Pio's. I think I remember asking this before, and I don't remember who answered, but can you clarify this for me?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by lghaze42

I have a Panny 800u and in thr 24p mode I have no flicker.I am wondering if I am the only person here who has all three components matched?....Panny TV,Panny BD player,and Panny receiver.As I have said before makes sense that Panasonic would use their products to check BD performance.

I have never found the 48Hz mode to be unwatchable unless you're looking a few feet off to the side of the telly, which isn't watching TV anyway.

[_kirk_]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I have never found the 48Hz mode to be unwatchable unless you're looking a few feet off to the side of the telly, which isn't watching TV anyway.

I can't speak to other Panasonic sets, but if I set my V10 24p mode to 48Hz, I frequently (though not constantly) see flicker from optimal viewing angles. It's frequent enough to make it unwatchable for me, so I only use the 96Hz setting for 24p.

A 48Hz refresh rate is low enough to fall within the range of perception for many people, whereas 72Hz and 96Hz are not.

[Sonny]

Doby, I thought 1080p/24 = jitter free? (Jan 2007) I'm just giving you a hard time.
I think it's worth it. It along with many other things make for the best picture possible. That's what "we" all want right??? Every peace' of the puzzle...

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by lojack1976

I may be mistaken, but I thought the G10 was slightly better than the 8G Pio's. I think I remember asking this before, and I don't remember who answered, but can you clarify this for me?

I should of put "" marks , as those words were from D-Nice about the G10, V10 & 8G, 9G Kuros. My bad. Buy what you like.

[turboLAZER]

the following is copy and pasted from a similar thread......





the panasonic's 800 series tv's 24fps/48hz flicker is NOT A DEFECT. The feature is designed to replicate the theatrical experience. When you go to your local movie theater, the film you're watching has 24 frames per second, and each frame is flashed twice in that second. The 48hz mode reproduces that effect on your tv screen. the flicker becomes more noticeable on the tv because the brightness is much higher. To reduce the visibility of the flicker the brightness should be turned down or change the picture mode to the THX setting. When you combine the THX mode and the 48hz mode you get a near perfect cinematic effect. If you are not interested in creating a theatrical experience in your home theater, do not use these features.

for the record, i don't use 48hz or THX mode on my pz800 because i calibrate my set for live events, not for a film-like theatrical experience.