Question about The Animatrix (something's been bugging me)

[Groo The Perverted]

I remember seeing The Animatrix and wondering something. During the Flight of Osiriis, the ship found out that there was a TON of sentinels 4 kilometers above Zion. They were found out and they took off on the run from the sentinels while the one woman was in the matrix trying to deliver a message.

They couldn't set off the EMP until she was back otherwise it would have left her dead in the Matrix.

My question is this, and no one has ever really answered me when I've asked people before.

Why did they not just dive bomb into the middle of all those sentinels and set off the EMP?

That would have disabled most if not all of the Sentinels, and it was 4 kilometers up so I wouldn't think the EMP would mess up the stuff in Zion.

Always was bugged by that.

[talak]

Most likely because it wouldn't have made as good a story. Would have been over a bit to quickly

But also the machine could have just replace the sentinel and Zion would have not been aware of the oncoming invasion.

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by talak

Most likely because it wouldn't have made as good a story. Would have been over a bit to quickly

But also the machine could have just replace the sentinel and Zion would have not been aware of the oncoming invasion.

But if they divebombed in, hit the EMP, wiped out that whole area of sentinals, nothing would prevent them from just coasting on in to Zion and saying, "oh by the way...you're not dreaming, it's raining dead sentinels" lol

just my thoughts anyway...surely there's a rational explanation to show that I'm a massive tool (more than usual) and my thought process is deeply flawed.

[talak]

Originally Posted by Dreaming in Blu

But if they divebombed in, hit the EMP, wiped out that whole area of sentinals, nothing would prevent them from just coasting on in to Zion and saying, "oh by the way...you're not dreaming, it's raining dead sentinels" lol

just my thoughts anyway...surely there's a rational explanation to show that I'm a massive tool (more than usual) and my thought process is deeply flawed.

I doubt there is a rational explanation, more likely the writer taking a bit of creative license and going they are going to react this way.

Taking out the sentinel with the EMP would be the more sensible choice.

[NARMAK]

where would the entertainment value have been lol

it makes sense what you say however, there is the other argument if ya wanna go down the rational thinking route, these people when they jack into the matrix are near invincible until an agent shows up but in the real world there just flesh & blood bound by laws of physics & this create a more sense of fear for them when confronted by machines & per humans, sometimes we will either fight or flee on natural instinct

But that's judt food for thought, the real reason is you could drag the story out & get some entertainment value out of it rather than something you can end in 2 minutes

i usually hate hearing "well, why didn't they make it more realistic, you would have done this & that in x & y situation surely?" but it's gonna not have as much entertainment value & the only time them not being 'realistic' bugs me is when in films like crouching tiger hidden dragon they're meant to be in the real world but jump a 'mile' up into the air

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Here are some very good reasons why that would never have worked...

#1. Before they could get to a strategic enough position, the ship would be completely destroyed by the sentinels.

#2. In order to even attempt to reach a good enough strategic position (despite the incredible odds against reaching it) they would have to have all of their electronic systems running at full capacity. Thus, setting off the EMP while their systems were running would cause their entire ship to become a giant ball of useless metal. They would then plummet to the ground, leaving thousands of sentinels still operational to destroy them while Zion remained completely oblivious to the impending attack.

#3. Zion needed to know and the Osiris crew were the only ones who knew about the situation. They couldn't risk dying without informing Zion.

No offense, but this was a no-brainer for me when I saw the animated clip in theatres a few months prior to the theatrical release of The Matrix Reloaded. It took me a whole 10 seconds to understand.

[Al_The_Strange]

I gotta agree with everybody; they did it to spread the story out across two more movies. The ship would have never really made it into the heart of the Sentinels' formation without being totally destroyed. It was more important to inform Zion about their impending doom. Even if they did wipe out the machine army (which is a fairly cool idea, btw), the machine probably would have sent in reinforcements to replace them anyway.

And on top of all that, Zion had always been a pawn of the machines' influences from the beginning. There was nothing they could really do to stop the machine army. It was their destiny to be wiped out (at least according to the Architect).

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

I gotta agree with everybody; they did it to spread the story out across two more movies. The ship would have never really made it into the heart of the Sentinels' formation without being totally destroyed. It was more important to inform Zion about their impending doom. Even if they did wipe out the machine army (which is a fairly cool idea, btw), the machine probably would have sent in reinforcements to replace them anyway.

And on top of all that, Zion had always been a pawn of the machines' influences from the beginning. There was nothing they could really do to stop the machine army. It was their destiny to be wiped out (at least according to the Architect).

You say you agree with everybody in that they did it to simply stretch the story out. Then you proceed to agree with me. In essence, that's agreeing with two seperate opinions. They didn't do it to stretch out the story because the ship would have been destroyed. Logic dictates that, regardless of whether it was real or a story, that they get the hell out of there and try to warn Zion.

[neos_peace]

Petra you had a somewhat good idea on that.

1. They needed the women to get into the matrix to mail the info disc to let zion know about the impending attack, so they couldn't have just blown the EMP.

2. Yes it would have been cool to just go in and use their EMP to take them out, however it would have been totally useless for the fact, that 01 had about 1 billion more wating (just a number off the top of my head)

3. If they were to set off the EMP it would comepltely render their ship useless, (not that it was to begin with) They didn't need their ship at full compacity to set it off, the EMP works on its own its a weapon not part of the ship, the ship can be down and still work.

anything else I can go at this all day. (DIE HARD MATRIX FAN HERE)

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by neos_peace

Petra you had a somewhat good idea on that.

1. They needed the women to get into the matrix to mail the info disc to let zion know about the impending attack, so they couldn't have just blown the EMP.

2. Yes it would have been cool to just go in and use their EMP to take them out, however it would have been totally useless for the fact, that 01 had about 1 billion more wating (just a number off the top of my head)

3. If they were to set off the EMP it would comepltely render their ship useless, (not that it was to begin with) They didn't need their ship at full compacity to set it off, the EMP works on its own its a weapon not part of the ship, the ship can be down and still work.

anything else I can go at this all day. (DIE HARD MATRIX FAN HERE)

I was saying that the ship would require systems at full capacity to try and make it to a strategic point whereby the EMP would be of any use. Not that full capacity would be required to fire the EMP. I'm not that silly. Obviously I know from seeing the first film that the EMP can fire with all systems down... in fact, it's clear that they prefer to fire it while powered down to save their ship from acquiring damage. Hence the "EMP would destroy their systems" comments I made.

[neos_peace]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

#2. In order to even attempt to reach a good enough strategic position (despite the incredible odds against reaching it) they would have to have all of their electronic systems running at full capacity. Thus, setting off the EMP while their systems were running would cause their entire ship to become a giant ball of useless metal. They would then plummet to the ground, leaving thousands of sentinels still operational to destroy them while Zion remained completely oblivious to the impending attack.

My bad man I ran with what you were saying in the beginning part of that. And assumed what I did in my earlier post. after rereading it. I understand what your saying, but still disagree wiht it, for the reason that they don't need to run at full capacity to get into a strategic manuver(assuming the sentinels would even let them ) cuz niobe didn't when they crept thro the passsges in the 3rd movie.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by neos_peace

My bad man I ran with what you were saying in the beginning part of that. And assumed what I did in my earlier post. after rereading it. I understand what your saying, but still disagree wiht it, for the reason that they don't need to run at full capacity to get into a strategic manuver(assuming the sentinels would even let them ) cuz niobe didn't when they crept thro the passsges in the 3rd movie.

You don't think that they would have to go full tilt to get into the middle of those hundreds of thousands of sentinels in a state whereby they could set off the EMP to make the most of their sacrifice? You have a strange sense of logic. They wouldn't be able to "creep" into the hordes!!! They'd have to run at them like Juggernaut through a crowd.

[NARMAK]

theres no point really arguing over this lol

pretty much a closed question, best answers being Petra's logic answer & mine & others dragging it out for entertainment value now go have a smoothie, kick back & enjoy watching these great movies

oh & try not to come up with more questions

[neos_peace]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

You don't think that they would have to go full tilt to get into the middle of those hundreds of thousands of sentinels in a state whereby they could set off the EMP to make the most of their sacrifice? You have a strange sense of logic. They wouldn't be able to "creep" into the hordes!!! They'd have to run at them like Juggernaut through a crowd.

I mean they wouldn't need full power in order to just arrive at the location to set it off . of course with all those sentinels you wuld want to full power to blow thro them to get to the center of the senitnels area.

They wouldn't need full power to just travel to the location.

undersand what I mean now.

[aramis109]

It wouldn't have wiped them all out, and their message would never have reached Zion. Thus, their deaths would've been in vain instead of valiantly giving up their lives to tip Zion off to the impending attack.

...one EMP isn't going to go miles and miles.

[Groo The Perverted]

*skulks off*

lol. Like I said...surely there was a rational explanation. Thanks Petra

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Dreaming in Blu

*skulks off*

lol. Like I said...surely there was a rational explanation. Thanks Petra

My pleasure.