1080p and dts - Blu-ray Forum

bstern · 09-27-2004, 08:32 PM

Will blu-ray output 1080P and DTS from the get go. and will players use component outs for older HDTV sets . or are we going to need to purchase an updated tv . As i have a older HDTV but plan on upgrading to an 1080P set possibly next year. as some 1080p sets are starting to come to market.

Rob · 09-28-2004, 09:47 AM

I think it's almost certain that any Blu-Ray player will include component outputs along with hdmi/dvi. Hopefully you'll be able to output a 1080i as well as a 1080p picture, as there are very few 1080p screens out there. The only set with 1080 I know is Sharps upcoming 45" set at around £6,000. It has a screen res of 1920 by 1080. Perhaps they'll include an option to scale down to either 720p as well in order for it to be compatible with older hi-def sets. Personally I'd wait til nearer the Blu-Ray release date and see what sets are available then. Seems little point getting a 1080p high def set now if there's no hi-def tv or dvd to take advantage. Stick with your tv for now, and in 2 years time there will be a wide range of high def sets, probably cheaper and with more features.

mk_kenshin · 05-16-2005, 11:23 AM

I realise not many tvs out there will display a full 1080p picture but I still think all hd-dvds should be set at 1080p and the players should be capable of down conversion to 1080i or 720p. 1080i is just unacceptable I think that 1080p should have been included in the hdv spec.

erdega79 · 07-20-2005, 08:13 PM

1080p will be standard resolution. Let's put this argument to rest, playstation will output 1080p and that's all we need to know.
Players should be able to down convert if necessary.

zombie · 07-21-2005, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erdega79

Players should be able to down convert if necessary.

Players better be able to down convert if necessary.

Rob · 07-21-2005, 09:28 AM

720p 50/60 is what most people will be using I would expect. I see little point watching 1080i when you're screen only has 720/768 lines. Only 1 tv in the Uk (so far Sharp's 45" lcd) even has 1080 lines.

Gorkab · 07-21-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

720p 50/60 is what most people will be using I would expect. I see little point watching 1080i when you're screen only has 720/768 lines. Only 1 tv in the Uk (so far Sharp's 45" lcd) even has 1080 lines.

There's some TVs in France too but according to some sources, what is sell in france is just the down of the US market... And I fully agree... As if we were going to have the same quality as more advanced countries... :lol:

thunderhawk · 07-21-2005, 05:31 PM

Yes, here in Europe is HDTV still quite unknown.
How many TV stations are there that broadcast in high definition?
In Belgium, there's 1. But you can't access it everywhere yet, and its a sports station... :? (I don't really like sports)

DTV is getting lauched here in Belgium, and the WK Football in 2006 will be broadcasted in HD, cable distributors say. They'll start testing with HD in spring 2006 they say, and they'll lauch DTV in september 2005

ops: :?

Like in the US, the orginal roadmap was to have HD broadcasts in 1989 in Europe (I searched the EU website a while ago but I can't find the article anymore...)
http://www.europarl.eu.int/facts/4_7_7_en.htm
http://europa.eu.int/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l24102c.htm
And in the US HD started in 1998, and will start in the EU in 2006... Eight years later!

However, I do believe the percentage people viewing HD will size faster than it did in the US, as almost everyone here in Belgium got cable (in some countries in the EU).

So Gorkab and other EU people here... Guess we'll have to wait a bit longer for HDTV.

Gorkab · 07-22-2005, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderhawk

So Gorkab and other EU people here... Guess we'll have to wait a bit longer for HDTV.

Dammit ! Guess the HDTV will only be on computers for a while to us... :x

Dave Moritz · 09-12-2005, 07:41 AM

Can't wait to have DTS and a 1080p picture. Sharp is not the only one with a 1080p HDTV. Both Mitsubishi and Samsung have DLP 1080p HDTV's. I am currently trying to decide what DLP set I want and figuring out what set I can afford. If I settle for a 1080i set it might end up being a Mitsubish, Samsung or a Toshiba. A Mitsu 50" 1080p set is going for around $3100 (US).

Yes to 1080p with DTS and NO to 1080i with DD 8)

Rob · 09-12-2005, 10:11 AM

I reckon it will be about 5 years til an affordable 1080p 50/60hz is released in the Uk. Some so called 1080p projectors in the USA, (like Sony's $25,000 Qualia), won't accept 1080p60. It merely takes a 1080i60 signal and converts it to 1080p30.

Blue · 09-12-2005, 10:48 PM

I don't think there is a domestic standard for1080p60. After it taking how many years to to a HD standard at all, I think there is going to be a long wait between drinks! The data storage will be huge. 1080p24 I think will be here very soon hopefully all cinema releases will be made this way, as they are after all 24 fps. There is now a genuine 1080 DLP chip and numerous LCD light valves, some of the most interseting being the Epson D5 series and don't forget about LCOS at least 1080p will become very common in the next few years. Maybe with high compression we can can fit a 1080p60 movie on Blu Ray. It would be nice if they at least set the standard. Even 1080p40 would be nice and at least acheivable with todays (well tomorrows) technology. Now for movies to filmed this way.

Rob · 09-13-2005, 12:31 AM

If Blu-Ray films are to be encoded at 1080p 24, (as dvds are 575p 24), then 1080p sets in the Uk would still run at 50hz, displaying each frame twice. With sets in the USA running at 60hz doing the 3:2 pulldown thing. PS3 games are to run at 1080p. Might they run at 60hz!?

Blue · 09-13-2005, 10:43 AM

The 50 / 60 Fps is based upon the electricity frequency from early TV’s as this was a way for accurate and efficient time bases, so a way to save on components that were big and expensive.

This is no longer an issue and modern TV’s have better ways to determine the time bases, so mains frequency has no longer any bearing on the frame rate, so providing the TV is designed to, it will handle any frame rate. If you live in a PAL country with 50Hz mains and have a multi standard TV, it will happily run at 60fps when fed a pure NTSC (Never Twice Same Colour) signal.

A trick with computer monitors is to run them away from a multiple of the mains frequency especially around fluorescent lights, for 50 Hz countries 72Hz is great if your monitor and graphics card can handle it, but don’t use 75Hz or headaches are very likely. A computer monitor is basically a TV.

thunderhawk · 09-13-2005, 04:04 PM

Quote:

72Hz is great if your monitor and graphics card can handle it, but don’t use 75Hz or headaches are very likely. A computer monitor is basically a TV.

Isnt a higher framerate always better for your eyes/head? :?

Gorkab · 09-14-2005, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderhawk

Quote:

72Hz is great if your monitor and graphics card can handle it, but don’t use 75Hz or headaches are very likely. A computer monitor is basically a TV.

Isnt a higher framerate always better for your eyes/head? :?

Always, for me, I'm in 1600x1200 @ 100 Hz

thunderhawk · 09-14-2005, 02:00 PM

some TVs run at 100 Hz here in the EU...
most at 50 Hz...

my PC display is running at XGA at 60 Hz (TFT, can't go higher)

Gorkab · 09-14-2005, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderhawk

some TVs run at 100 Hz here in the EU...
most at 50 Hz...

my PC display is running at XGA at 60 Hz (TFT, can't go higher)

Ouch it must hurt you eyes :?

thunderhawk · 09-15-2005, 07:33 PM

not at all :lol:
I can watch all day without knowing I'm looking at a screen :lol:

but 25 Hz does hurt.. I once had to work on an older model of monitor and auch!, wasn't used to it...

observer · 09-28-2005, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorkab

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderhawk

some TVs run at 100 Hz here in the EU...
most at 50 Hz...

my PC display is running at XGA at 60 Hz (TFT, can't go higher)

Ouch it must hurt you eyes :?

LCDs/Plasmas running at 60Hz are different then CRTs running at 60Hz

A CRT flickers light at you 60 times per second to trick your eye into seeing an image. This is the cause of the headaches, since your eyes are physically capable of capturing light faster then 60 pursts of light per second, even if your mind can't perceive it.

An LCD on the other hand changes the light source 60 times per second. The light is constant, it never turns on and off, each pixel merely changes color if necessary every 60th of a second.

09-27-2004, 08:32 PM	#1
bstern New Member Member since:Sep 2004	1080p and dts Will blu-ray output 1080P and DTS from the get go. and will players use component outs for older HDTV sets . or are we going to need to purchase an updated tv . As i have a older HDTV but plan on upgrading to an 1080P set possibly next year. as some 1080p sets are starting to come to market.

09-12-2005, 07:41 AM	#10
Dave Moritz Junior Member Member since:Nov 2004 Location:California	1080p and DTS Can't wait to have DTS and a 1080p picture. Sharp is not the only one with a 1080p HDTV. Both Mitsubishi and Samsung have DLP 1080p HDTV's. I am currently trying to decide what DLP set I want and figuring out what set I can afford. If I settle for a 1080i set it might end up being a Mitsubish, Samsung or a Toshiba. A Mitsu 50" 1080p set is going for around $3100 (US). Yes to 1080p with DTS and NO to 1080i with DD 8)

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09-28-2004, 09:47 AM	#2
Rob Active Member Member since:Jun 2004	I think it's almost certain that any Blu-Ray player will include component outputs along with hdmi/dvi. Hopefully you'll be able to output a 1080i as well as a 1080p picture, as there are very few 1080p screens out there. The only set with 1080 I know is Sharps upcoming 45" set at around £6,000. It has a screen res of 1920 by 1080. Perhaps they'll include an option to scale down to either 720p as well in order for it to be compatible with older hi-def sets. Personally I'd wait til nearer the Blu-Ray release date and see what sets are available then. Seems little point getting a 1080p high def set now if there's no hi-def tv or dvd to take advantage. Stick with your tv for now, and in 2 years time there will be a wide range of high def sets, probably cheaper and with more features.

05-16-2005, 11:23 AM	#3
mk_kenshin Member Member since:Jul 2004	I realise not many tvs out there will display a full 1080p picture but I still think all hd-dvds should be set at 1080p and the players should be capable of down conversion to 1080i or 720p. 1080i is just unacceptable I think that 1080p should have been included in the hdv spec.

07-20-2005, 08:13 PM	#4
erdega79 Active Member Member since:Sep 2004 Location:toronto	1080p will be standard resolution. Let's put this argument to rest, playstation will output 1080p and that's all we need to know. Players should be able to down convert if necessary.

07-21-2005, 09:28 AM	#6
Rob Active Member Member since:Jun 2004	720p 50/60 is what most people will be using I would expect. I see little point watching 1080i when you're screen only has 720/768 lines. Only 1 tv in the Uk (so far Sharp's 45" lcd) even has 1080 lines.

07-21-2005, 05:31 PM	#8
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	Yes, here in Europe is HDTV still quite unknown. How many TV stations are there that broadcast in high definition? In Belgium, there's 1. But you can't access it everywhere yet, and its a sports station... :? (I don't really like sports) DTV is getting lauched here in Belgium, and the WK Football in 2006 will be broadcasted in HD, cable distributors say. They'll start testing with HD in spring 2006 they say, and they'll lauch DTV in september 2005 ops: :? Like in the US, the orginal roadmap was to have HD broadcasts in 1989 in Europe (I searched the EU website a while ago but I can't find the article anymore...) http://www.europarl.eu.int/facts/4_7_7_en.htm http://europa.eu.int/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l24102c.htm And in the US HD started in 1998, and will start in the EU in 2006... Eight years later! However, I do believe the percentage people viewing HD will size faster than it did in the US, as almost everyone here in Belgium got cable (in some countries in the EU). So Gorkab and other EU people here... Guess we'll have to wait a bit longer for HDTV.

09-12-2005, 10:11 AM	#11
Rob Active Member Member since:Jun 2004	I reckon it will be about 5 years til an affordable 1080p 50/60hz is released in the Uk. Some so called 1080p projectors in the USA, (like Sony's $25,000 Qualia), won't accept 1080p60. It merely takes a 1080i60 signal and converts it to 1080p30.

09-12-2005, 10:48 PM	#12
Blue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2005 Location:Melbourne Australia Blu-ray collection:206	I don't think there is a domestic standard for1080p60. After it taking how many years to to a HD standard at all, I think there is going to be a long wait between drinks! The data storage will be huge. 1080p24 I think will be here very soon hopefully all cinema releases will be made this way, as they are after all 24 fps. There is now a genuine 1080 DLP chip and numerous LCD light valves, some of the most interseting being the Epson D5 series and don't forget about LCOS at least 1080p will become very common in the next few years. Maybe with high compression we can can fit a 1080p60 movie on Blu Ray. It would be nice if they at least set the standard. Even 1080p40 would be nice and at least acheivable with todays (well tomorrows) technology. Now for movies to filmed this way.

09-13-2005, 12:31 AM	#13
Rob Active Member Member since:Jun 2004	If Blu-Ray films are to be encoded at 1080p 24, (as dvds are 575p 24), then 1080p sets in the Uk would still run at 50hz, displaying each frame twice. With sets in the USA running at 60hz doing the 3:2 pulldown thing. PS3 games are to run at 1080p. Might they run at 60hz!?

09-13-2005, 10:43 AM	#14
Blue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2005 Location:Melbourne Australia Blu-ray collection:206	The 50 / 60 Fps is based upon the electricity frequency from early TV’s as this was a way for accurate and efficient time bases, so a way to save on components that were big and expensive. This is no longer an issue and modern TV’s have better ways to determine the time bases, so mains frequency has no longer any bearing on the frame rate, so providing the TV is designed to, it will handle any frame rate. If you live in a PAL country with 50Hz mains and have a multi standard TV, it will happily run at 60fps when fed a pure NTSC (Never Twice Same Colour) signal. A trick with computer monitors is to run them away from a multiple of the mains frequency especially around fluorescent lights, for 50 Hz countries 72Hz is great if your monitor and graphics card can handle it, but don’t use 75Hz or headaches are very likely. A computer monitor is basically a TV.

09-14-2005, 02:00 PM	#17
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	some TVs run at 100 Hz here in the EU... most at 50 Hz... my PC display is running at XGA at 60 Hz (TFT, can't go higher)

09-15-2005, 07:33 PM	#19
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	not at all :lol: I can watch all day without knowing I'm looking at a screen :lol: but 25 Hz does hurt.. I once had to work on an older model of monitor and auch!, wasn't used to it...

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