HD DVD sticking around despite disadvantages? - Blu-ray Forum

Coltboy · 06-26-2007, 02:35 PM

This is what i found on www.HDDVD.com this moring.

Quote: A lot about how things play out in the HD DVD and Blu-ray format war are just plain common sense. One need only refer to other competitions in the consumer electronics marketplace to see how history is repeating itself with the next-gen DVD formats. This week’s edition of Business Week has a great analysis that echoes themes and ideas presented here in past articles:

Sales figures are too inconclusive to say that one side is doing better than the other, and retailers will need to keep supporting both formats for quite a while.
Not counting PS3 sales, Blu-ray player sales are behind those of HD DVD players, and sales of HD DVD players have dramatically increased in the last couple of months. An interesting tid-bit in that article is about Toshiba’s efforts to invite Chinese manufacturers to the HD DVD party. In recent months, there had been news about WalMart possibly bringing out a $199 or $299 HD DVD player later in the year from one of these manufacturers. That deal was since denied, but I’m predicting that we’re likely to see a bunch of inexpensive HD DVD players as 2008 starts in another five or six months. That’s the kind of pricing strategy that will ensure HD DVD a solid footing on retail shelves for quite a long time. And it’s another good reason for you to get off that fence and get in on the HD DVD action now.

By the way, you don’t have to wait until 2008 for a $199-$299 HD DVD player, because players are already selling in that price neighborhood right now at retailers like Amazon.

Why wouldn't you count PS3 sales? they probably count MS add-on sales?

Are they getting really desperate now or what? If all this is true where is all the HD-DVD promos on TV and stores? or moreaccurately where are the movies?

aaronwt · 06-26-2007, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltboy

This is what i found on www.HDDVD.com this moring.

Quote: A lot about how things play out in the HD DVD and Blu-ray format war are just plain common sense. One need only refer to other competitions in the consumer electronics marketplace to see how history is repeating itself with the next-gen DVD formats. This week’s edition of Business Week has a great analysis that echoes themes and ideas presented here in past articles:

Sales figures are too inconclusive to say that one side is doing better than the other, and retailers will need to keep supporting both formats for quite a while.
Not counting PS3 sales, Blu-ray player sales are behind those of HD DVD players, and sales of HD DVD players have dramatically increased in the last couple of months. An interesting tid-bit in that article is about Toshiba’s efforts to invite Chinese manufacturers to the HD DVD party. In recent months, there had been news about WalMart possibly bringing out a $199 or $299 HD DVD player later in the year from one of these manufacturers. That deal was since denied, but I’m predicting that we’re likely to see a bunch of inexpensive HD DVD players as 2008 starts in another five or six months. That’s the kind of pricing strategy that will ensure HD DVD a solid footing on retail shelves for quite a long time. And it’s another good reason for you to get off that fence and get in on the HD DVD action now.

By the way, you don’t have to wait until 2008 for a $199-$299 HD DVD player, because players are already selling in that price neighborhood right now at retailers like Amazon.

Why wouldn't you count PS3 sales? they probably count MS add-on sales?

Are they getting really desperate now or what? If all this is true where is all the HD-DVD promos on TV and stores? or moreaccurately where are the movies?

If they don't count PS3 sales, they DON"T count Add on sales. This has always been the case.

Sane · 06-26-2007, 03:21 PM

A thread was started last week that had some numbers:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ight=150%2C000
100,000 Blu-ray standalones vs. 150,000 HDDVD standalones
1,400,000 PS3s vs. 150,000 HD DVD XBox 360 attachment drives.

So they would need to amend the following sentence:

Original:

Quote:

Not counting PS3 sales, Blu-ray player sales are behind those of HD DVD players

Fixed:

Quote:

If you subrtact 1.4 million from the BR side, Blu-ray player sales are behind those of HD DVD players

Shin-Ra · 06-26-2007, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronwt

If they don't count PS3 sales, they DON"T count Add on sales. This has always been the case.

They don't include PS3's in players sold but do include PS3 when calculating sales ratio so why should we believe this?

jermwhl · 06-26-2007, 03:51 PM

Just another desperate attempt for Toshiba to try and put a band-aid on a gaping wound!!!

'Tis only a flesh wound! I cut your arm off! No you didn't!!!!

DrinkMore · 06-26-2007, 05:54 PM

Who gives a shit.

I keep hearing this crap. Ok, so what. They DONT include the PS3 in sales. Um ok. So Blu-Ray is STILL OUTSELLING HD-DVD when I look at the amount of discs sold.

All HD-DVD wants is to say they are outselling Blu-Ray. Who cares - let them think that. So what if their shitty players are outselling BD players. Too bad NOBODY is buying the movies to watch them on it. DERRRRRR. Without movies, the player is useless you freaking idiots!!!

HD-DVD group is stupid as all hell. Glad I went with Blu.

supersix4 · 06-26-2007, 05:58 PM

during the vhs beta war didnt beta stick around for awhile 2 ?

phloyd · 06-26-2007, 06:01 PM

It doesn't matter what filter you use on the players sold, the media sales are clearly behind for HD DVD.

Spin doesn't change this - a change in sales is the only way to change this.

After all, if you only count the Univerval Pictures disc sales, HD DVD is way ahead!

movies3 · 06-26-2007, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jermwhl

Just another desperate attempt for Toshiba to try and put a band-aid on a gaping wound!!!

'Tis only a flesh wound! I cut your arm off! No you didn't!!!!

yes i agree, they know HD dvd isnt doing well, why try to extend its life?? all there going to do is lose more money.

Sane · 06-26-2007, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phloyd

After all, if you only count the Univerval Pictures disc sales, HD DVD is way ahead!

lol - don't give them any ideas!

Seriously though, if only 4% (56,000) of PS3s were sold to consumers with the sole intention of using it as a Blu-Ray player (not too unbelievable given that they were the cheapest player until very recently), then BR player sales are better.

Blu-Ray Buckeye · 06-26-2007, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

They don't include PS3's in players sold but do include PS3 when calculating sales ratio so why should we believe this?

Ah, the question I've been asking for months. They are gaming it and they know it. Lies are the last refuge for the lost.

Leopold BUTTERS · 06-26-2007, 06:38 PM

Don't they have to counth the 360 add on? It is only an HD DVD player and is not required, which means if someone wants to buy an HD DVD player they have 2 options. Add on or Toshiba. So the add on has to be counted. The ps3 won't count because if someone just wants a gaming system and wants a ps3 they have to get the BD player with it. i know people buy it for BD player, but its impossible to figure out how many people bought the ps3 for what. Where as the HD DVD add on has only one obvious answer. Unless it states that they didn't count it then ignore this.

Eye-ray · 06-27-2007, 01:00 PM

bluray disk association should show no mercy to hddvd camp.

They should be officially done this year.

CJ P · 06-27-2007, 01:17 PM

All these numbers are just marketing. The bottom line is that you can spin them any way you want. First of all, I'm not sure of the source of the 1.4 million PS3s. NextGen Wars is citing 3.4 million. The way I look at it is ultimately how many people can buy your product. HD-DVD = MAYBE 400,000 MAX. Blu-Ray = 3.5 million or more. And again, even if only a small percentage of PS3 owners buy Blu-Ray movies that's still a much bigger market.

06-26-2007, 02:35 PM	#1
Coltboy Active Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Mar 2007 Location:OHIO Home Theater Gallery:72 Blu-ray collection:14 Blu-ray reviews:13	HD DVD sticking around despite disadvantages? This is what i found on www.HDDVD.com this moring. Quote: A lot about how things play out in the HD DVD and Blu-ray format war are just plain common sense. One need only refer to other competitions in the consumer electronics marketplace to see how history is repeating itself with the next-gen DVD formats. This week’s edition of Business Week has a great analysis that echoes themes and ideas presented here in past articles: Sales figures are too inconclusive to say that one side is doing better than the other, and retailers will need to keep supporting both formats for quite a while. Not counting PS3 sales, Blu-ray player sales are behind those of HD DVD players, and sales of HD DVD players have dramatically increased in the last couple of months. An interesting tid-bit in that article is about Toshiba’s efforts to invite Chinese manufacturers to the HD DVD party. In recent months, there had been news about WalMart possibly bringing out a $199 or $299 HD DVD player later in the year from one of these manufacturers. That deal was since denied, but I’m predicting that we’re likely to see a bunch of inexpensive HD DVD players as 2008 starts in another five or six months. That’s the kind of pricing strategy that will ensure HD DVD a solid footing on retail shelves for quite a long time. And it’s another good reason for you to get off that fence and get in on the HD DVD action now. By the way, you don’t have to wait until 2008 for a $199-$299 HD DVD player, because players are already selling in that price neighborhood right now at retailers like Amazon. Why wouldn't you count PS3 sales? they probably count MS add-on sales? Are they getting really desperate now or what? If all this is true where is all the HD-DVD promos on TV and stores? or moreaccurately where are the movies? Last edited by Coltboy; 06-26-2007 at 02:41 PM.

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06-26-2007, 03:51 PM	#5
jermwhl Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Virginia	Just another desperate attempt for Toshiba to try and put a band-aid on a gaping wound!!! 'Tis only a flesh wound! I cut your arm off! No you didn't!!!!

06-26-2007, 05:54 PM	#6
DrinkMore Banned Member since:Apr 2007 Location:That's What She Said! Blu-ray collection:140 Blu-ray reviews:7 Trading Score:3	Who gives a shit. I keep hearing this crap. Ok, so what. They DONT include the PS3 in sales. Um ok. So Blu-Ray is STILL OUTSELLING HD-DVD when I look at the amount of discs sold. All HD-DVD wants is to say they are outselling Blu-Ray. Who cares - let them think that. So what if their shitty players are outselling BD players. Too bad NOBODY is buying the movies to watch them on it. DERRRRRR. Without movies, the player is useless you freaking idiots!!! HD-DVD group is stupid as all hell. Glad I went with Blu.

06-26-2007, 05:58 PM	#7
supersix4 Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:572 Blu-ray reviews: 53 Trading Score:3	during the vhs beta war didnt beta stick around for awhile 2 ?

06-26-2007, 06:01 PM	#8
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	It doesn't matter what filter you use on the players sold, the media sales are clearly behind for HD DVD. Spin doesn't change this - a change in sales is the only way to change this. After all, if you only count the Univerval Pictures disc sales, HD DVD is way ahead!

06-26-2007, 06:38 PM	#12
Leopold BUTTERS Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2007 Location:AB,Canada Blu-ray collection:93 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:1	Don't they have to counth the 360 add on? It is only an HD DVD player and is not required, which means if someone wants to buy an HD DVD player they have 2 options. Add on or Toshiba. So the add on has to be counted. The ps3 won't count because if someone just wants a gaming system and wants a ps3 they have to get the BD player with it. i know people buy it for BD player, but its impossible to figure out how many people bought the ps3 for what. Where as the HD DVD add on has only one obvious answer. Unless it states that they didn't count it then ignore this.

06-27-2007, 01:00 PM	#13
Eye-ray Member Member since:Mar 2006	bluray disk association should show no mercy to hddvd camp. They should be officially done this year.

06-27-2007, 01:17 PM	#14
CJ P Active Member Member since:Jun 2007	All these numbers are just marketing. The bottom line is that you can spin them any way you want. First of all, I'm not sure of the source of the 1.4 million PS3s. NextGen Wars is citing 3.4 million. The way I look at it is ultimately how many people can buy your product. HD-DVD = MAYBE 400,000 MAX. Blu-Ray = 3.5 million or more. And again, even if only a small percentage of PS3 owners buy Blu-Ray movies that's still a much bigger market.

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