reluctant to add non-lossless to your collection? - Blu-ray Forum

goresnet · 09-23-2009, 06:32 PM

I never considered myself picky about this, but I noticed that First Blood has neither PCM, TrueHD, nor HD-MA. (Although it does have EX and DTS-HD.) All the the titles in my meager collection do have at least one lossless format, and I am loathe to add this one, for that simple reason. First Blood is my favorite Stalone film. Of course, I'm going to get it, so don't just say get it if you like it! But are any of you also avoiding lossy-only movies that you would add if it were lossless?

SquidPuppet · 09-23-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by goresnet

I never considered myself picky about this, but I noticed that First Blood has neither PCM, TrueHD, nor HD-MA. (Although it does have EX and DTS-HD.) All the the titles in my meager collection do have at least one lossless format, and I am loathe to add this one, for that simple reason. First Blood is my favorite Stalone film. Of course, I'm going to get it, so don't just say get it if you like it! But are any of you also avoiding lossy-only movies that you would add if it were lossless?

Depends on how important the audio is to the film. Documentaries without lossless are not a deal breaker for me. Pretty much everything else needs to be though.

P@t_Mtl · 09-23-2009, 06:37 PM

Sound is the last thing I look at for BD, I am always more interested in PQ then sound

Kryptonic · 09-23-2009, 06:38 PM

First Blood looks great on BD and don't let the fact that it's not lossless dissuade you from purchasing it for $10 or less. The DTS-HD High Res audio is great for a film of this age. It's not lossless, but technically it's still HD audio. It's a great deal.

Shanester · 09-23-2009, 06:40 PM

Depends on the movie. Older titles I own Like Zulu Or The Ipcress File I can live with

Most newer releases in the last 20 years or so I would prefer a lossless track

ZIPPO · 09-23-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Sound is the last thing I look at for BD, I am always more interested in PQ then sound

I'm just the opposite. I avoid releases without lossless audio. I want the total package of what Blu-ray can offer.

benricci · 09-23-2009, 06:46 PM

I don't avoid purchasing movies I like because of the audio, but that's just me.

The DTS-HD track on First Blood is actually pretty great, I don't think there's really much more you're gonna get from another codec, to be honest.

For the most part, even a 5.1 Dolby Digital track on blu-ray will have a higher bitrate than its DVD counterpart or theatrical presentation. So while it may be a bummer if lossless isn't included, it's not a reason for me to avoid movies I love.

Diesel · 09-23-2009, 06:49 PM

Nope, if I want the movie I want the movie

I just bought Superman today for example. I also have Terminator 3.

Of course, I don't have a surround system that supports lossless anyway, and won't for a long time.

goresnet · 09-23-2009, 06:49 PM

I don't intentionally avoid them, it's just worked out that way. AQ is every bit as important as PQ to me in a blu.

boxterduke · 09-23-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Sound is the last thing I look at for BD, I am always more interested in PQ then sound

Same here, I don't even look at what the Audio is on a BD or DVD.
For me as long as I hear sounds and effects on all my speakers then I'm ok.
I like PQ more.

progers13 · 09-23-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by goresnet

I never considered myself picky about this, but I noticed that First Blood has neither PCM, TrueHD, nor HD-MA. (Although it does have EX and DTS-HD.) All the the titles in my meager collection do have at least one lossless format, and I am loathe to add this one, for that simple reason. First Blood is my favorite Stalone film. Of course, I'm going to get it, so don't just say get it if you like it! But are any of you also avoiding lossy-only movies that you would add if it were lossless?

I have a couple that come readily to mind (Shooter and MI:3). Although neither is bad in its own right, they would both really benefit from a lossless track. That said, I didn't avoid them. But it is something I look for these days and I would like to see every BD with at least one lossless track to choose from.

Rhoq · 09-23-2009, 07:13 PM

While I would prefer lossless, it's not a deal breaker for me, either. Higher resolution, lossy audio can sound nearly as good as the original source. As long as it doesn't sound like it was recorded under water or in a trash can, I can deal with it.

Clark Kent · 09-23-2009, 07:16 PM

It is a deal-breaker for me. There are too many good Blu-rays I can spend my money on that contain lossless audio. Do not reward cheap or lazy studios giving us inferior product. It kills me that Superman does not have PCM.

thecroshow · 09-23-2009, 07:16 PM

i understand the primary attraction to BD is the outstanding PQ when compared to previous formats. but come on, sound is a HUGE part of the movie experience!

yes i avoid buying BDs with lossy audio. example: equilibrium with 5.1 DD. what is the point?!?!?

TheZoof · 09-23-2009, 07:22 PM

I was going to buy Bonnie and Clyde today but then I changed my mind due to no lossless. I would take a lossless Mono but no lossless is loss of sale for me.

I think I have a few DD 5.1 tracks like Stargate but I bought them before I knew the difference.

I want Superman Returns so bad but I can't find it with the lossless anywhere in Canada.

deangrazy · 09-23-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Sound is the last thing I look at for BD, I am always more interested in PQ then sound

Same here, PQ is the most important for me when it comes to BD because that's what the original intention of BD was.

Freekman · 09-23-2009, 07:24 PM

Considering I can't play HD audio (yet), its not a big worry to me.

Beta Man · 09-23-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Sound is the last thing I look at for BD, I am always more interested in PQ then sound

I'm more concerned with the AQ over PQ in most cases..... but the film itself is the most important thing to me.... that's why I don't own Speed Racer, iRobot, etc....

Also, Many great classics have Mono tracks, etc... so "Multi-channel" lossless isn't important to me... so for movies like Casablanca for instance.... if it only had a Dolby Digital track, I would be disappointed, and I already own the DVD, so if the Blu-ray has any sort of marginal improvement in PQ on Blu-ray, I'd jump on it, because I love the movie..... The fact that the AQ/PQ upgrade is substantial makes it a no-brainer for double-dipping for me.

Monkey · 09-23-2009, 07:36 PM

I've skipped over quite a few for not having the best in audio.. Blu-Ray was designed to deliver the very best in audio and video, not just video. Of course sometimes we get transfers with sub-par video and some with sub-par audio unfortunately.

If I love the movie I usually buy still but movies on the fence usually get a rental at best if the studio only puts a half ass effort into it.

SDon1969 · 09-23-2009, 07:37 PM

Actually, OP, "reluctant" is a pretty good word to use in my case. I still buy lossy BDs (one of the best examples is First Blood that you mentioned, another might be Speed Racer), but I stop and think about it, maybe gripe a little, and still end up buying them if I like the movie and the PQ is good.

Lossless audio is important to me, though, no doubt about it.

09-23-2009, 06:32 PM	#1
goresnet Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2008 Location:League City, TX 4K collection:51 Blu-ray collection:576 Trading Score:1	reluctant to add non-lossless to your collection? I never considered myself picky about this, but I noticed that First Blood has neither PCM, TrueHD, nor HD-MA. (Although it does have EX and DTS-HD.) All the the titles in my meager collection do have at least one lossless format, and I am loathe to add this one, for that simple reason. First Blood is my favorite Stalone film. Of course, I'm going to get it, so don't just say get it if you like it! But are any of you also avoiding lossy-only movies that you would add if it were lossless?

09-23-2009, 06:46 PM	#7
benricci Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2008 Blu-ray reviews:1	I don't avoid purchasing movies I like because of the audio, but that's just me. The DTS-HD track on First Blood is actually pretty great, I don't think there's really much more you're gonna get from another codec, to be honest. For the most part, even a 5.1 Dolby Digital track on blu-ray will have a higher bitrate than its DVD counterpart or theatrical presentation. So while it may be a bummer if lossless isn't included, it's not a reason for me to avoid movies I love. Last edited by benricci; 09-23-2009 at 06:49 PM.

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09-23-2009, 06:37 PM	#3
P@t_Mtl Blu-ray Duke Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Montreal Home Theater Gallery:4 Blu-ray collection:452 DVD collection:513 Trading Score:3	Sound is the last thing I look at for BD, I am always more interested in PQ then sound

09-23-2009, 06:38 PM	#4
Kryptonic Suspended Member since:Jul 2009 Trading Score:45	First Blood looks great on BD and don't let the fact that it's not lossless dissuade you from purchasing it for $10 or less. The DTS-HD High Res audio is great for a film of this age. It's not lossless, but technically it's still HD audio. It's a great deal.

09-23-2009, 06:40 PM	#5
Shanester Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Montreal 4K collection:596 Blu-ray collection:2027 Blu-ray reviews:442 Trading Score:8	Depends on the movie. Older titles I own Like Zulu Or The Ipcress File I can live with Most newer releases in the last 20 years or so I would prefer a lossless track

09-23-2009, 06:49 PM	#8
Diesel Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Jan 2009 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- Blu-ray reviews: 31 Trading Score:10	Nope, if I want the movie I want the movie I just bought Superman today for example. I also have Terminator 3. Of course, I don't have a surround system that supports lossless anyway, and won't for a long time.

09-23-2009, 07:13 PM	#12
Rhoq Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Philadelphia, PA 4K collection:262 Blu-ray collection:1605 DVD collection:3 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:2	While I would prefer lossless, it's not a deal breaker for me, either. Higher resolution, lossy audio can sound nearly as good as the original source. As long as it doesn't sound like it was recorded under water or in a trash can, I can deal with it.

09-23-2009, 07:16 PM	#13
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	It is a deal-breaker for me. There are too many good Blu-rays I can spend my money on that contain lossless audio. Do not reward cheap or lazy studios giving us inferior product. It kills me that Superman does not have PCM.

09-23-2009, 07:16 PM	#14
thecroshow Power Member Member since:Jul 2008 Location:Victoria BC Blu-ray collection:459 Blu-ray reviews:10 Trading Score:1	i understand the primary attraction to BD is the outstanding PQ when compared to previous formats. but come on, sound is a HUGE part of the movie experience! yes i avoid buying BDs with lossy audio. example: equilibrium with 5.1 DD. what is the point?!?!?

09-23-2009, 07:22 PM	#15
TheZoof Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Ottawa,Canada Home Theater Gallery:27 4K collection:850 Blu-ray collection:1636 DVD collection:10 Blu-ray reviews: 38 Trading Score:2	I was going to buy Bonnie and Clyde today but then I changed my mind due to no lossless. I would take a lossless Mono but no lossless is loss of sale for me. I think I have a few DD 5.1 tracks like Stargate but I bought them before I knew the difference. I want Superman Returns so bad but I can't find it with the lossless anywhere in Canada.

09-23-2009, 07:24 PM	#17
Freekman Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2008 Location:New York Home Theater Gallery:7 Blu-ray collection:109 Trading Score:2	Considering I can't play HD audio (yet), its not a big worry to me.

09-23-2009, 07:36 PM	#19
Monkey Blu-ray Knight Member since:Sep 2006 Trading Score:31	I've skipped over quite a few for not having the best in audio.. Blu-Ray was designed to deliver the very best in audio and video, not just video. Of course sometimes we get transfers with sub-par video and some with sub-par audio unfortunately. If I love the movie I usually buy still but movies on the fence usually get a rental at best if the studio only puts a half ass effort into it.

09-23-2009, 07:37 PM	#20
SDon1969 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Massachusetts Home Theater Gallery:32 Blu-ray collection:745 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	Actually, OP, "reluctant" is a pretty good word to use in my case. I still buy lossy BDs (one of the best examples is First Blood that you mentioned, another might be Speed Racer), but I stop and think about it, maybe gripe a little, and still end up buying them if I like the movie and the PQ is good. Lossless audio is important to me, though, no doubt about it.

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