Blu-Ray Technology in for a rude awakening

[htman99t]

Why fix something that isn't broken? Dvd's are fine the way they are. There is no need in my eyes to make consumers have to go out and spend a lot of money to buy this blu-ray technology just so the movie makers can deploy their new copy protection scheme. Hackers will find a way around your defenses anyway. They are fighting a battle they have very little chance of winning. I really hope consumers reject the technology to teach them a lesson.

[Knight-Errant]

Well, that's one point of view. Yes, definitely.

On the other hand....1080p woohoo!

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by Knight-Errant

Well, that's one point of view. Yes, definitely.

On the other hand....1020p woohoo!

I believe you mean 1080p, but your point is valid.

Many of the early TVs which poorly supported 720p did not demonstrate decisively enough the benefits of HDTV. When more sets natively display 1080p and directly support 5.1 sound then the advantages of an optical media which can hold an ultra long movie (e.g., Lord of the Rings, Return of the King, Platinum Edition version which runs over 4 hours) on a single disk will drive the consumer to something new.

As soon as 5 years from now, but definitely no more than 10 years from now, the current DVD media (both 4.7 and 8.5 GB versions) will be dead. Buying them will be like buying 33 1/3 LPs. You can do it, but why? (I know. I know. There is a small contingency of people who still demand the dynamic range of certain exclusive LPs which are truly specialty items. But other than those few fanatics, why buy an LP?)

[phloyd]

Yeah, DVDs are great. VHS tapes were pretty good too... but I lament the good old days when we scribbled on the walls with coal. That was all we needed really. And we got plenty of exercise and there was no sugar in our food to speak of.

On the other hand, 1080p encoded content on a full resolution display is definitely an improvement over DVD - I say bring it on. Sure, many people won't buy it, but I got a feeling that I will

Cheers!

[zombie]

If you're happy with DVD so be it. The rest of us will enjoy HD in all it's glory.

[Sony1]

No Sir I beg to differ, DVD in it's current form is not fine. It has to be replaced by something thing that can handle the amount of bits that are generated from digital technology. 8.5GB or 9GB just isn't enough for todays ever expanding digital world. On the other hand the Movie industry trying everything in their power to protect the illegal copying of DVDs is Futile. Look what is happening in China, their is no way the movie companies can stop them. Downloading they can stop but buying them from Russia, China or Iraq they can't. Just my observation

[Knight-Errant]

Originally Posted by Shadowself

I believe you mean 1080p

LOL thanks, of course I did

I've corrected my mistake.

[Alex Pallas]

Originally Posted by htman99t

Hackers will find a way around your defenses anyway

god bless the patriots who are termed 'hackers' but they are not necessary now as far as i understand you will be able to copy the content from a BLu-ray disc on to a harddrive, not that decryption was too difficult, but this makes things easier.

[Gorkab]

Ah ! DVD is a real shit when some of them are misencoded ! Also, it uses the MPEG-2, which is compared to MPEG-4 XviD for instance, is one of the worst codec ever used !

For example, I recently bought the "Death Becomes Her" DVD, it's 1.85:1 with 178 lines of black to be adjusted to 4/3 screens ! It's a DVD 5 !!! The quality is horrible ! It's a LaserDisc in it's beginning ! Can't believe it !

I needed this movie for my CGM Project and when Krystatos has encoded it, even in XviD 2.35 GB, it was horrible !

I know that not every DVD is like that and hopefully ! I also know that Blu-Ray can suffer the same with MPEG-2 so when I see the first BD in that codec, I'm wondering what will be the future of home video...

[HT Fan]

Originally Posted by n2blu

If you're happy with DVD so be it. The rest of us will enjoy HD in all it's glory.

Uhh... not quite! Us early adopters of HDTVs with component video inputs won't be able to watch Blu-Ray HD "in all it's glory"

One would think that Sony and the rest of the Blu Ray constortum would realize early adoptors are what make or break a new technology. Lack of HD support via component video for the tens of thousands of early adoptors with only component video HD inputs really shows their (lack of) appreciation for those who stuck their neck on the line for them.

Thanks for nothing Blu Ray!

[Blu-Wave]

Early adopters do take the risks, but it was always on the cards that high definition copy protection would be built into the system firmware - whether the system was Blu-Ray, HD-DVD or something else... Besides, Sony and NHK defined high definition in the sixties as over one thousand lines progressively scanned, with the step from 720p/1080i to 1080p being just as large as, if not larger than, the step from 480i/576i to 720p. Many shops are currently selling 720p/1080i displays as high definition when Blu-Ray supports full 1080p (unlike HD-DVD). At least with Blu-Ray you're getting a spatial resolution standard that is obviously the best available in the current consumer marketplace, and which is likely to stay around for a while ...

[f00dl3]

Given Sony's recent track record with their consumer-friendly XCP copy protection, I am reluctant to trust Sony.

Yes, it will be able to move movie technology one step forward, but it will move consumer's fair use, first sale, and even the ability to play a movie on more than one device two steps backwards.

I am planning on moving out from my parents house when I get a full time job after I graduate DeVry. I have a good strong collection of say 8 or 10 movies that I have purchased from various places such as WalMart and BestBuy. When I move out, I feel that I should be able to play those movies on a DVD player that I buy for my apartment or house. With this "Mandatory Managed Copy" - even though I am not copying the movie, it will probably place restrictions on how many devices I can play a movie on. Therefore, looking into the future, any movies I play on my parent's Blue-Ray player are forever binded to that hardware device, and any attempt to play it on my own Blue-Ray player would result in read errors.

Some day, consumers will benifit fully from this technology. But that day is not today.

BTW - I did a good 8 page paper on DRM and it's effects on society for my HUMN 432 (Technology, Society, and Culture) class. When I finish the course (Feb.), I will post this on my website.

[m00]

you're getting way ahead of yourself,

firstly, a dvd collection will be viewed in almost the same manner as a vhs
collection is today, secondly there is nothing that will prevent you from
using your bought dvd's on a DVD player, (excluding region coding but most
people living in region 1 prolly don't even know it exists)

MM Copies will prolly be restricted in some way or even many ways , but that doesn't imply that
your bought blu-ray discs will be limited to a few players.

[Blue]

[QUOTE]Given Sony's recent track record with their consumer-friendly XCP copy protection, I am reluctant to trust Sony.

With this "Mandatory Managed Copy" - even though I am not copying the movie, it will probably place restrictions on how many devices I can play a movie on. Therefore, looking into the future, any movies I play on my parent's Blue-Ray player are forever binded to that hardware device, and any attempt to play it on my own Blue-Ray player would result in read errors. [\QUOTE]

I can't see how they can implement it like this. What happens if you upgrade your player - or the player blows up! Think of the legal games. As for Sony's attempt with XCP - they did this all by themsleves. Blu Ray is a much bigger group - Blu Ray is NOT a SONY development - they have a big part but there are lots of other companies involved.

Sure the threat is there for all sorts of nasties in the DRM, but I think Sanity will prevail - eventually

[m1a1]

up to 50 gigs of storage space, rock on.
i hate dvds i need more space to back up my pc.

[Gorkab]

Originally Posted by m1a1

up to 50 gigs of storage space, rock on.
i hate dvds i need more space to back up my pc.

This is one of the reason why I love the Blu-Ray Disc

[m1a1]

well when you are pushing over 500 gigs on yourown pc you really need a safe way to back things up and tape back doesnt offer that, hot swap hard drive are way to expensive, and im good on using 3924723947239847 DVDs to cover my back up needs.

[Gorkab]

Originally Posted by m1a1

well when you are pushing over 500 gigs on yourown pc you really need a safe way to back things up and tape back doesnt offer that, hot swap hard drive are way to expensive, and im good on using 3924723947239847 DVDs to cover my back up needs.

Yeah, and in something like 10 years, the HVD will replace all of that

[m1a1]

Hvd?

Holographic HUH?

wow never stops amazing me what tech is out that is delayed for the ole $$$

[thunderhawk]

If there's $$$, there's something to buy...