picture not so great - Blu-ray Forum

popeye · 11-05-2009, 03:32 PM

I just purchased the Panasonic Home theater 7.1 blue ray player. I also purchased the Transformers 2 blue ray dvd. I feel the picture isnt that great at all for blue ray. Its very grainy and just not what i expected.. also it doesnt even fit the full screen ( i have a 46 inch samsung lcd ). There are black bars on the top and the bottoms. Any thing i need to change or adjust?

un4gvn94538 · 11-05-2009, 03:33 PM

black bars are normal. how are you hooked up?

popeye · 11-05-2009, 03:34 PM

hdmi from the panasonic dvd player right into the hdmi port on tv.

un4gvn94538 · 11-05-2009, 03:36 PM

i didnt see really much grain with transformers 2 even on my old 1080i dinosaur hdtv. did you have your tv properly calibrated? if not, i would look into getting a calibration disc

popeye · 11-05-2009, 03:38 PM

no i havnt, pretty new to this tv stuff, not sure how all the parimiters work..is a calibrating disc simple to use?. Purchase at any store? best buy pc richards?

Zman2k2 · 11-05-2009, 03:39 PM

Hello and welcome to the site!

As mentioned, my first suggestion would be to make sure your TV is properly calibrated. If you don't want to go out and get a calibration disc, you can look through the Samsung calibration thread and see what settings others are using. You can then try their settings, and see if the picture improves for you.

un4gvn94538 · 11-05-2009, 03:40 PM

some stores have them but here are the ones i know of. theyre really not too tough to use.

http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Video-...7439134&sr=8-3

heard this was better:

http://www.amazon.com/Spears-Munsil-...7439134&sr=8-1

popeye · 11-05-2009, 03:43 PM

will that disc also inprove my hdtv picture?

Hammie · 11-05-2009, 03:45 PM

And if you use Netflix, I believe they have the DVE one.

un4gvn94538 · 11-05-2009, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popeye

will that disc also inprove my hdtv picture?

if your tv isnt calibrated, yes it should

popeye · 11-05-2009, 03:47 PM

thanks guys will pick up a disc after work and hope that works

Dotpattern · 11-05-2009, 03:59 PM

I think it's important to mention that calibrating your tv isn't going to remove film grain (which was one of your concerns). Proper calibration, including setting your sharpness to zero, will help to keep from unintentionally enhancing the grain, but the grain is inherent in film (and Transformers 2 was shot on film). So if your expectation is that Blu-ray should provide a grain-less image, you may be disappointed.

VinnAY · 11-05-2009, 03:59 PM

tweaktv.com

TTC1984 · 11-05-2009, 04:16 PM

1) Any film shot on film has film grain. It's SUPPOSED to be there. There is no way to remove film grain without removing detail from the image.

2) Any film shot in an aspect ratio wider than 16:9 will still have letterbox bars, even on an HDTV. It's not as simple as "all widescreen movies fill a widescreen TV completely." The two most common ratios are 1.85:1 and 2.35:1. The former (and very close ratios) will fill your HDTV completely, however the latter is a wider ratio and still requires some letterboxing to be shown in the proper ratio.

aramis109 · 11-05-2009, 05:03 PM

Everyone is so quick to jump on the "grain is supposed to be there!" bandwagon that they're forgetting just how much a bad setting can really enhance grain and make for an unpleasant image. I've seen sharpness and high contrast just kill a picture.

Yes, it's supposed to be there but doubtful to the degree that he's most likely seeing it. That calibration will do wonders.

krazeyeyez · 11-05-2009, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aramis109

Everyone is so quick to jump on the "grain is supposed to be there!" bandwagon that they're forgetting just how much a bad setting can really enhance grain and make for an unpleasant image. I've seen sharpness and high contrast just kill a picture.

Yes, it's supposed to be there but doubtful to the degree that he's most likely seeing it. That calibration will do wonders.

Agreed, i did calibrate a friends set, and while his beef with grain was still there, he was much cooler with it. But he also had a skewed view on what he thought blu-ray was "supposed" to look like and that expectation won't be met unless they start releasing special edition "the super DNR'd version".

drago3451 · 11-05-2009, 05:25 PM

No one has mentioned to check the player settings. If the player is set to output 480i/p than it is going to be bad. You may want to check and see if the TV is receiving a 1080p signal as well. There should be an INFO selection on the display to see what it is getting. Also some of your default picture settings should still give a great picture. Make sure you are not on a sport setting or a dynamic setting as this will oversaturate the picture. Natural or Theater should be a good start.

Good luck. You should have no doubt that Blu-ray is a giant step-up in picture/audio quality so I know something is not setup properly.

[1080-p] · 11-05-2009, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

some stores have them but here are the ones i know of. theyre really not too tough to use.

http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Video-...7439134&sr=8-3

heard this was better:

http://www.amazon.com/Spears-Munsil-...7439134&sr=8-1

I use my DVE as a coaster as it only talks about hometheatre without going into detail

11-05-2009, 03:32 PM	#1
popeye Junior Member Member since:Nov 2009	picture not so great I just purchased the Panasonic Home theater 7.1 blue ray player. I also purchased the Transformers 2 blue ray dvd. I feel the picture isnt that great at all for blue ray. Its very grainy and just not what i expected.. also it doesnt even fit the full screen ( i have a 46 inch samsung lcd ). There are black bars on the top and the bottoms. Any thing i need to change or adjust?

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11-05-2009, 03:33 PM	#2
un4gvn94538 Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Limbo (Bakersfield, Ca.) 4K collection:143 Blu-ray collection:811 DVD collection:54 Digital collection:1494 Trading Score:277	black bars are normal. how are you hooked up?

11-05-2009, 03:34 PM	#3
popeye Junior Member Member since:Nov 2009	hdmi from the panasonic dvd player right into the hdmi port on tv.

11-05-2009, 03:36 PM	#4
un4gvn94538 Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Limbo (Bakersfield, Ca.) 4K collection:143 Blu-ray collection:811 DVD collection:54 Digital collection:1494 Trading Score:277	i didnt see really much grain with transformers 2 even on my old 1080i dinosaur hdtv. did you have your tv properly calibrated? if not, i would look into getting a calibration disc

11-05-2009, 03:38 PM	#5
popeye Junior Member Member since:Nov 2009	no i havnt, pretty new to this tv stuff, not sure how all the parimiters work..is a calibrating disc simple to use?. Purchase at any store? best buy pc richards?

11-05-2009, 03:39 PM	#6
Zman2k2 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Calgary, Canada Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:136 Trading Score:54	Hello and welcome to the site! As mentioned, my first suggestion would be to make sure your TV is properly calibrated. If you don't want to go out and get a calibration disc, you can look through the Samsung calibration thread and see what settings others are using. You can then try their settings, and see if the picture improves for you.

11-05-2009, 03:40 PM	#7
un4gvn94538 Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Limbo (Bakersfield, Ca.) 4K collection:143 Blu-ray collection:811 DVD collection:54 Digital collection:1494 Trading Score:277	some stores have them but here are the ones i know of. theyre really not too tough to use. http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Video-...7439134&sr=8-3 heard this was better: http://www.amazon.com/Spears-Munsil-...7439134&sr=8-1

11-05-2009, 03:43 PM	#8
popeye Junior Member Member since:Nov 2009	will that disc also inprove my hdtv picture?

11-05-2009, 03:45 PM	#9
Hammie Blu-ray Champion Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:May 2008 Location:Washington, DC Metro Home Theater Gallery:53 Blu-ray collection:545 DVD collection:12 Trading Score:12	And if you use Netflix, I believe they have the DVE one.

11-05-2009, 03:47 PM	#11
popeye Junior Member Member since:Nov 2009	thanks guys will pick up a disc after work and hope that works

11-05-2009, 03:59 PM	#12
Dotpattern Blu-ray Guru Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Southern California 4K collection:407 Blu-ray collection:1512	I think it's important to mention that calibrating your tv isn't going to remove film grain (which was one of your concerns). Proper calibration, including setting your sharpness to zero, will help to keep from unintentionally enhancing the grain, but the grain is inherent in film (and Transformers 2 was shot on film). So if your expectation is that Blu-ray should provide a grain-less image, you may be disappointed.

11-05-2009, 03:59 PM	#13
VinnAY Banned Member since:Sep 2008 Blu-ray reviews:1	tweaktv.com

11-05-2009, 04:16 PM	#14
TTC1984 Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Vegas Blu-ray reviews:34 Trading Score:41	1) Any film shot on film has film grain. It's SUPPOSED to be there. There is no way to remove film grain without removing detail from the image. 2) Any film shot in an aspect ratio wider than 16:9 will still have letterbox bars, even on an HDTV. It's not as simple as "all widescreen movies fill a widescreen TV completely." The two most common ratios are 1.85:1 and 2.35:1. The former (and very close ratios) will fill your HDTV completely, however the latter is a wider ratio and still requires some letterboxing to be shown in the proper ratio.

11-05-2009, 05:03 PM	#15
aramis109 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Milwaukee, WI Home Theater Gallery:10 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:360 Trading Score:18	Everyone is so quick to jump on the "grain is supposed to be there!" bandwagon that they're forgetting just how much a bad setting can really enhance grain and make for an unpleasant image. I've seen sharpness and high contrast just kill a picture. Yes, it's supposed to be there but doubtful to the degree that he's most likely seeing it. That calibration will do wonders.

11-05-2009, 05:25 PM	#17
drago3451 Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2008 Home Theater Gallery:12 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:426 Blu-ray reviews:1	No one has mentioned to check the player settings. If the player is set to output 480i/p than it is going to be bad. You may want to check and see if the TV is receiving a 1080p signal as well. There should be an INFO selection on the display to see what it is getting. Also some of your default picture settings should still give a great picture. Make sure you are not on a sport setting or a dynamic setting as this will oversaturate the picture. Natural or Theater should be a good start. Good luck. You should have no doubt that Blu-ray is a giant step-up in picture/audio quality so I know something is not setup properly.

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