What movies will go to DVD? - Blu-ray Forum

Dlachm1 · 01-02-2006, 12:45 AM

I'm excited about the prospect of getting to view films in HD... I am just worried that many of the older films will not be put onto BD. For example, some companies have gone out of business since the making of their films, will their films never make it to HD? Also, just another note... can Anime's be converted to HD... or for that matter cartoons or those 100% Disney 3-d films? because I'm sure there is a market for that.

Some movies I would like to see in BD:

A Clockwork Orange
Das Boot
Evangelion

...Any one know anything?

Blue · 01-02-2006, 03:39 AM

All we know is one movie is out and about now. Unfortunately not available to the general public - unless you have a large Blu Ray Hardware plant in your basement and presumably are part of the BDA. Yes that movie is Charlies Angels. My guess is that as they are still sorting out DRM (Digital Rights Management) if the News release from Pioneer is correct, the disk most probably hasn't got any DRM included (the content has it's own built in copy protection). Although companies go broke and disappear most of their content is bought by another company, or morphs into another company.
As far as anime is concerned it depends on how it was initially filmed. If in 35mil it will be an excellent candidate for conversion to HD. If filmed onto standard NTSC or PAL videotape well then it will look about the same.
I think all the classic movies will appear sooner than later. A Clockwork Orange is a Warner movie (at least the DVD is) and they will be making movies in Blu Ray, so it’s a safe bet it will be out, you may have to wait. As for the other movies, if they are covered by the big studios it will be a yes there maybe a long wait.

Dlachm1 · 01-02-2006, 04:10 AM

It would be so Awsome to see old favorites in HD... Almost like re-living the first time you saw one of your most memorable movies... or for that matter showing a younger audience that older movies had pretty good technology and are worth seeing.

Thanks Blue

AV_Integrated · 01-02-2006, 05:27 AM

Charlies Angels... Gawd! You think they could have gone with a move that was actually worth seeing for actual content and quality isntead of bouncing ta-tas.

Fifth Element? Or a LOTR? Heck, Robocop would be about as good of a choice.

partridge · 01-03-2006, 01:28 PM

There is a firm, name escapes me, who's business is based on taking old movies, cleaning them up for studios and mastering them for DVD. But they apparently master them to HD standard ready for the movies eventual or possible release in HD.

They did all the work on the original Star Wars movies and found that although the DVD's look great, in HD you can see details that show up a little too well; for instance, they found that some make up lines were visible on the actors!

They also admitted that the restoration work they did on Citizen Kane was done too well, they unwittingly removed the film "grain" of the original print, making it cleaner than they intended.

It's painstaking work by the sounds of it, but it certainly seems that almost any movie with an original print available can be cleaned up and mastered for HD, even if it means things showing up that weren't meant to be seen...!

So there is hope for all older movies, though frankly I'm still waiting for a decent special edition of Bladerunner, the DVD I have is awful in every way.

Blue · 01-03-2006, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by partridge

There is a firm, name escapes me, who's business is based on taking old movies, cleaning them up for studios and mastering them for DVD. But they apparently master them to HD standard ready for the movies eventual or possible release in HD.

I think you are refering to Lowry Images.
http://www.apple.com/pro/film/lowry/index2.html has a review.
Not only are they mastering in HD but going beyond that into 2K & 4K (1920x1080 would equate to 1K) so digital cinemas look out.

This is great news for conservation. It's amazing how many films have almost been lost. Many of them block busters of their day - and not that long ago for some, circa 1980's. Star Wars is a classic example.

Apparently all the Bond films (not sure about the unoffical ones Casino Royal and Never say Never) have been done in 4K so for all you bond fans expect to see them on Blu Ray soon.

James Morrow · 01-03-2006, 05:58 PM

Close but not quite, Blue. I made the same mistake initially.

2K has a maximum spatial resolution of 2048 by 1080 (square) pixels, whilst 4k is limited to 4096 by 2160 pixels, so 2K is roughly equivalent to 1080p and 4K is roughly equivalent to SHDV. There is also 8K (similar to UHDV), but very few currently use it ...

AV_Integrated · 01-03-2006, 06:24 PM

You think they would use MP instead of K since the actually resolution is 2MP 8MP etc.

James Morrow · 01-03-2006, 06:54 PM

... except that those currently pushing 720p at around 900 kilopixels might not be quite so keen - plus as 2K and 4K have different aspect ratios from 1080p (although at least they all use square pixels) and as for best quality you really want to one to one mapping (or one to two, etc.) between source and display pixels numbers such as 921,600 (720), 2,073,600 (1080), 2,211,840 (2K max.) and 8,847,360 (4K max.) might not be terribly illuminating ...

Knight-Errant · 01-03-2006, 07:01 PM

Since you can fit more content on BDs as opposed to DVDs, even older TV will benefit from the format, with each disk holding more and with less ugly compression artefacts which turn up on a lot of DVDs.

Also looking forward to old films finally getting the resolution they deserve, with all the detail of film being displayed on our home screens

partridge · 01-04-2006, 09:33 AM

Yes, it's Lowry, thanks!

Shadowself · 01-04-2006, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Morrow

Close but not quite, Blue. I made the same mistake initially.

2K has a maximum spatial resolution of 2048 by 1080 (square) pixels, whilst 4k is limited to 4096 by 2160 pixels, so 2K is roughly equivalent to 1080p and 4K is roughly equivalent to SHDV. There is also 8K (similar to UHDV), but very few currently use it ...

Looking at the 2004 Digital Cinema standard I see no mention of an 8K (presumably 8192 x 4320) display. Is there an update to the 2004 version? Do you have a diffrent reference for this? I don't know of anyone who makes a CCD in this format either. (Thompson makes a 9126 x 9126 CCD, but I know of no one who makes one in this [8192x4320 or similar] format.)

Can you give us a link to a spec on this or to a manufacturer that does this format CCD?

Thanks

James Morrow · 01-05-2006, 12:16 AM

Hi SS,

no, DCI don't mention it yet, but I know that it has been used for several years for scanning (typically) medium format and IMAX films frame by frame. Most 35mm film is limited to around 6K resolution in practice. I'll try and dig up a few more details for you ...

Cheers,

James

agothoth · 01-05-2006, 03:13 AM

Just announced from the IMDB

http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2006-01-04/#2

This info has already been posted in the Latest News forum. Please continue discussion there. - n2blu

zombie · 01-05-2006, 03:46 AM

My personal belief is that nearly all movies released on DVD will be released on BD. It'll take several years just as it did for DVD, but it'll happen. Studios want nothing more than to have consumers rebuy their movie catalogs yet again.

01-02-2006, 12:45 AM	#1
Dlachm1 New Member Member since:Jan 2006	What movies will go to DVD? I'm excited about the prospect of getting to view films in HD... I am just worried that many of the older films will not be put onto BD. For example, some companies have gone out of business since the making of their films, will their films never make it to HD? Also, just another note... can Anime's be converted to HD... or for that matter cartoons or those 100% Disney 3-d films? because I'm sure there is a market for that. Some movies I would like to see in BD: A Clockwork Orange Das Boot Evangelion ...Any one know anything?

01-05-2006, 03:13 AM	#14
agothoth Junior Member Member since:Jan 2006	Just announced from the IMDB http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2006-01-04/#2 This info has already been posted in the Latest News forum. Please continue discussion there. - n2blu Last edited by nyg; 01-05-2006 at 03:44 AM.

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01-02-2006, 03:39 AM	#2
Blue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2005 Location:Melbourne Australia Blu-ray collection:206	All we know is one movie is out and about now. Unfortunately not available to the general public - unless you have a large Blu Ray Hardware plant in your basement and presumably are part of the BDA. Yes that movie is Charlies Angels. My guess is that as they are still sorting out DRM (Digital Rights Management) if the News release from Pioneer is correct, the disk most probably hasn't got any DRM included (the content has it's own built in copy protection). Although companies go broke and disappear most of their content is bought by another company, or morphs into another company. As far as anime is concerned it depends on how it was initially filmed. If in 35mil it will be an excellent candidate for conversion to HD. If filmed onto standard NTSC or PAL videotape well then it will look about the same. I think all the classic movies will appear sooner than later. A Clockwork Orange is a Warner movie (at least the DVD is) and they will be making movies in Blu Ray, so it’s a safe bet it will be out, you may have to wait. As for the other movies, if they are covered by the big studios it will be a yes there maybe a long wait. Last edited by Blue; 01-02-2006 at 03:47 AM.

01-02-2006, 04:10 AM	#3
Dlachm1 New Member Member since:Jan 2006	It would be so Awsome to see old favorites in HD... Almost like re-living the first time you saw one of your most memorable movies... or for that matter showing a younger audience that older movies had pretty good technology and are worth seeing. Thanks Blue

01-02-2006, 05:27 AM	#4
AV_Integrated Senior Member Member since:Jan 2005	Charlies Angels... Gawd! You think they could have gone with a move that was actually worth seeing for actual content and quality isntead of bouncing ta-tas. Fifth Element? Or a LOTR? Heck, Robocop would be about as good of a choice.

01-03-2006, 01:28 PM	#5
partridge Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2005 Location:England	There is a firm, name escapes me, who's business is based on taking old movies, cleaning them up for studios and mastering them for DVD. But they apparently master them to HD standard ready for the movies eventual or possible release in HD. They did all the work on the original Star Wars movies and found that although the DVD's look great, in HD you can see details that show up a little too well; for instance, they found that some make up lines were visible on the actors! They also admitted that the restoration work they did on Citizen Kane was done too well, they unwittingly removed the film "grain" of the original print, making it cleaner than they intended. It's painstaking work by the sounds of it, but it certainly seems that almost any movie with an original print available can be cleaned up and mastered for HD, even if it means things showing up that weren't meant to be seen...! So there is hope for all older movies, though frankly I'm still waiting for a decent special edition of Bladerunner, the DVD I have is awful in every way.

01-03-2006, 05:58 PM	#7
James Morrow Member Member since:Jun 2004	Close but not quite, Blue. I made the same mistake initially. 2K has a maximum spatial resolution of 2048 by 1080 (square) pixels, whilst 4k is limited to 4096 by 2160 pixels, so 2K is roughly equivalent to 1080p and 4K is roughly equivalent to SHDV. There is also 8K (similar to UHDV), but very few currently use it ...

01-03-2006, 06:24 PM	#8
AV_Integrated Senior Member Member since:Jan 2005	You think they would use MP instead of K since the actually resolution is 2MP 8MP etc.

01-03-2006, 06:54 PM	#9
James Morrow Member Member since:Jun 2004	... except that those currently pushing 720p at around 900 kilopixels might not be quite so keen - plus as 2K and 4K have different aspect ratios from 1080p (although at least they all use square pixels) and as for best quality you really want to one to one mapping (or one to two, etc.) between source and display pixels numbers such as 921,600 (720), 2,073,600 (1080), 2,211,840 (2K max.) and 8,847,360 (4K max.) might not be terribly illuminating ...

01-03-2006, 07:01 PM	#10
Knight-Errant Power Member Member since:Aug 2005 Location:Sheffield, UK	Since you can fit more content on BDs as opposed to DVDs, even older TV will benefit from the format, with each disk holding more and with less ugly compression artefacts which turn up on a lot of DVDs. Also looking forward to old films finally getting the resolution they deserve, with all the detail of film being displayed on our home screens

01-04-2006, 09:33 AM	#11
partridge Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2005 Location:England	Yes, it's Lowry, thanks!

01-05-2006, 12:16 AM	#13
James Morrow Member Member since:Jun 2004	Hi SS, no, DCI don't mention it yet, but I know that it has been used for several years for scanning (typically) medium format and IMAX films frame by frame. Most 35mm film is limited to around 6K resolution in practice. I'll try and dig up a few more details for you ... Cheers, James

01-05-2006, 03:46 AM	#15
zombie Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:May 2004 Trading Score:864	My personal belief is that nearly all movies released on DVD will be released on BD. It'll take several years just as it did for DVD, but it'll happen. Studios want nothing more than to have consumers rebuy their movie catalogs yet again.

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