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Old 12-29-2009, 04:21 PM   #1
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That's the question this article asks - and believes it answers. I don't think their answer is fully realized.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Movi...ies/index.html

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(CNN) -- When it comes to movies, it may be that sex doesn't sell.

A recent study concluded that nudity and explicit sex scenes don't translate to success for major motion pictures.

"Sex Doesn't Sell -- nor Impress! Content, Box Office, Critics, and Awards in Mainstream Cinema" examined more than 900 films released between 2001 and 2005.

The study found that, contrary to popular belief, sex and nudity failed to positively affect a film's popularity among viewers or critics and did not guarantee big box office receipts.

One of the study's co-authors, Dean Keith Simonton, said theirs was the largest sample of its kind used for film research. The results surprised him, he said.

"Sex did not sell, whether in the domestic or international box office, and even after controlling for MPAA rating," said Simonton, who is a professor of psychology at the University of California, Davis. "In other words, even among R movies, less graphic sex is better."

The top-grossing films in the study included movies like "Shrek 2;" "Spider-Man;" "Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith" and "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King," all of which contained mostly minor to mild sex and/or nudity.

Simonton said the research went beyond others in that it also examined other forms of "objectionable" material that might earn a film an R rating including violence.

The study was prompted by an experience almost a decade ago of its co-author, Anemone Cerridwen.

Cerridwen had been taking acting classes and increasingly became uncomfortable with some of the sexualized content she was encountering. That led her to consider the work experiences of film actresses and the pursuit of data about the lucrativeness of sex in movies.

"I assumed sex sold, and wanted to know by how much," Cerridwen said. "I braced myself for the worst, and got quite the surprise."

Craig Detweiler, director of the Center for Entertainment, Media and Culture at Pepperdine University, said the study's findings reflect the culture's post-sexual revolution sensibilities.

"Nothing is as shocking anymore," Detweiler said. "You can see it in Britney Spears' kiss with Madonna and Janet Jackson's Super Bowl performance. Things that were a big controversy among some, the next generation kind of yawned at it."

Rather, Detweiler said, he has seen among his students that the new form of rebellion against the older generation includes "not doing drugs, not sleeping around and not getting divorced." That might explain the popularity of some of the Jane Austen films and movies like the "Twilight" series, he said.

"Those stories are really about sexual separation," he said. "They are all about wooing, not winning."

Tom Jacobs, staff writer for the academic research periodical Miller-McCune, wrote about the study and said there has long been the belief that the many young males who make up movie audiences are enthralled by female nudity.

"These researchers really put that belief to the test and crunched the numbers," Jacob said. "What I took from the study is that a hint of sex is perhaps more enticing than out-and-out nudity."

The study's authors are hopeful that their findings will have some impact on moviemaking.

Simonton said he has had one inquiry from a researcher at a major studio that he declined to name, though he has no idea if the studio plans on acting on the data.

Cerridwen said she thinks movies continue to be influential on the public and believes their study could also have an influence, especially if other academics pick up the torch and continue the research. Until then, she hopes Hollywood takes notice.

"I do believe that there are a fair number of people in the film industry who want to make better films, and this study may give them some ammunition," she said. "I know that Hollywood has been trying to make more family-friendly films for a while (since the '90s) and it seems to be helping ticket sales, so my guess is that this research would complement that."
Their conclusion is that - since LoTR and Shrek were some of the largest grossing movies, that sex does not sell in movies. Of course, they miss the most obvious reason - movies that are Rated R or, worse, NC-17 already have a more limited audience. Of course, there are MANY movies, even big ones (I seem to remember a little movie called "Terminator" had a few spicy scenes) - and about ever single 80's/90's/2000's comedies dealing with being a teenager - many of which are well loved and considered classics by many.

As for the "Sex Sells" phrase - I don't think anyone ever related that specifically to movies - and I don't think "sex sells" need to be specifically related to the act. Sorry, but most movies still feature "good looking" men, and hot women - and every female action star is still stuffed into the skimpiest costume possible (I suppose because sex doesn't sell ).

Hell, Sienna Miller added padding to her bust because the director of GI Joe wanted her to have a larger chest (I'm sure it was really need for character developement.)

Anyway, I think the answer they got was the simplest one. Luckily, they didn't ask any other questions, such as - what is the effect of sex/nudity on box office in other countries that aren't as stuffy about the naked body as America, what effect did the internet have erotic/steamy movies (I mean, there was a movie called "Powder Blue", or "Blue Powder" - I have no idea what it is about since the movie's only marketing on it is that Jessica Biel gets naked).

But I guess there is no need to look into those questions - since it is now obvious whether sex sells or not.

(Sorry all, I was bored and had some time to kill, and I thought it'd be fun to hear your views).
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:44 PM   #2
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I agree with you. The study has major flaws.

Didnt Titanic have a fairly "steamy" sex scene? Didnt we see nudity? Didnt it go so far as to depict a climax? Didnt Titanic do OK at the box office?

Lame/biased/skewed study and article. Duh.
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:47 PM   #3
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Sex sells well if you're 17
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:49 PM   #4
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Sex totally sells in movies.

Anyone who tells you different is selling something else... likely an agenda.

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Old 12-29-2009, 04:50 PM   #5
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Sex doesn't sell in movies; it all depends on type of movie it is, and how is it well produced and directed.
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:51 PM   #6
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sex sells porn
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:55 PM   #7
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A seriously flawed study. There are entire categories of movies that would have been completely forgotten and had lower grosses if not for their sexual content. Movies like Wild Things are only on Blu-ray now because of their famous sex scenes.

It is called biased sampling, as to why they found no correlation between sex and success. The current structure of the market favors PG-13 fare with little explicit sex, skewing the results and distribution of the population study.

Sex sells, and always has sold to some degree.
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If Megan Fox were to have sex in any film, it would sell like hotcakes.
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:57 PM   #9
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Sex totally sells in movies.

Anyone who tells you different is selling something else... likely an agenda.

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I disagree. Times are changing. It seems most people interested in sexual content can find it cheaper and better on the internet. This frees the studios up to indulge our violent fantasies with action and horror flicks (look at how permissive the MPAA has been in the last four or so years, the sex has gone down but the graphic violence has gone through the roof).

Even Jessica Biel suspected her nudity was the reason Powder Blue went straight to dvd.

I think the internet has become sex's new home and the movies are just getting more and more violent, not that I see anything wrong with that.
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Sex sells pornos.
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:59 PM   #11
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I disagree. Times are changing. It seems most people interested in sexual content can find it cheaper and better on the internet. This frees the studios up to indulge our violent fantasies with action and horror flicks (look at how permissive the MPAA has been in the last four or so years, the sex has gone down but the graphic violence has gone through the roof).

Even Jessica Biel suspected her nudity was the reason Powder Blue went straight to dvd.

I think the internet has become sex's new home and the movies are just getting more and more violent, not that I see anything wrong with that.
See Kryptonic's post above; he nailed it by saying that they used a very selective sample, and didn't compare it to all movies {especially the one's in which the sex actually DID sell the movie}

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Sex and nudity is always needed in Hollwood because it spices up their films and creates hype.
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Eyes Wide Shut is a great test here. Production cost $60 million, gross revenue $160 million. not bad, but not great.
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Eyes Wide Shut is a great test here. Production cost $60 million, gross revenue $160 million. not bad, but not great.
I disagree {again}.

It made it's money back in theaters, and ordinarily that would be more than enough for a sequel.

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Sex sells pornos.
Already beat you to it
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Already beat you to it
It's still the truth; sex does sell porno, but not in movies.
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Many actors and actresses are paid handsome salaries only because of their looks. If that is not related to sex, I do not know what is. Jessica Alba was not picked for Fantastic Four because of her acting ability...
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Already beat you to it
Damn you lol

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Old 12-29-2009, 05:08 PM   #19
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I disagree {again}.

It made it's money back in theaters, and ordinarily that would be more than enough for a sequel.

Logan
where did i say it didn't make its money back in theatres or that there would not be more than enough for a sequel?

p.s. EWS is one of my favorite all-time films.

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See Kryptonic's post above; he nailed it by saying that they used a very selective sample, and didn't compare it to all movies {especially the one's in which the sex actually DID sell the movie}

Logan
I read it already and disagree. The question is if sex "sells" nowdays. The studios may suck, but they are not stupid. If PG-13 is the model of what sells (i.e. big box office) then thats what they will keep pumping out. we're talking about what makes MONEY in 2009.

Also, it seem like whenever Wild Things gets mentioned, people only talk about the sex scenes. Have you people even watched the movie? Its clever and funny with a great Bill Murray performance. I certainly did not buy it for a silly little sex scene.
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