What the

[langn08]

Setup: 5.2 audio, Sony S360 decoding and sending to Yammy 463

I noticed yesterday when I threw in Monsters Inc. (English: DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1) that my receiver lit up showing 7.1? Now this occurred right after I updated my firmware on the S360. When I hit display it is showing DTS-HD Master so I’m a bit confused. I love the sound and how it is utilizing the rears much more. I threw in UP (also English: DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1) and it gave me the same thing. Does it have to do with the ES Matrix? I love the sound it’s producing on these two movies but other DTS-HD Master blu’s are not giving me the same results. Any ideas?

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by langn08

Setup: 5.2 audio, Sony S360 decoding and sending to Yammy 463

I noticed yesterday when I threw in Monsters Inc. (English: DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1) that my receiver lit up showing 7.1? Now this occurred right after I updated my firmware on the S360. When I hit display it is showing DTS-HD Master so I’m a bit confused. I love the sound and how it is utilizing the rears much more. I threw in UP (also English: DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1) and it gave me the same thing. Does it have to do with the ES Matrix? I love the sound it’s producing on these two movies but other DTS-HD Master blu’s are not giving me the same results. Any ideas?

You hit the nail on the head. Matrixing will essentially spread out the sound from the surrounds to the rears making it appear as though you have 7.1 sound. But in actual fact it is sort of a cheat. If you turn off the Matrix mode you should only see the 5.1 as it was encoded. Then the only time the rears are utilized is when there is an actual 7.1 soundtrack.

Up to you which you prefer. Me personally I LOVE TO MATRIX.

But wait a minute do you physically have 8 speakers (Sub included)? I only see 5.1 in you HT Gallery. Did you plug in the surround speakers into the rear slots? This is a mistake if you did. The rear inputs are only for 7.1 (8 speaker) setups. If all you have is 5.1, you should move the rear wiring over to the surround wiring locations on your receiver. Rears would be behind your sofa over your head.

[langn08]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

You hit the nail on the head. Matrixing will essentially spread out the sound from the surrounds to the rears making it appear as though you have 7.1 sound. But in actual fact it is sort of a cheat. If you turn off the Matrix mode you should only see the 5.1 as it was encoded. Then the only time the rears are utilized is when there is an actual 7.1 soundtrack.

Up to you which you prefer. Me personally I LOVE TO MATRIX.

But wait a minute do you physically have 8 speakers (Sub included)? I only see 5.1 in you HT Gallery. Did you plug in the surround speakers into the rear slots? This is a mistake if you did. The rear inputs are only for 7.1 (8 speaker) setups. If all you have is 5.1, you should move the rear wiring over to the surround wiring locations on your receiver. Rears would be behind your sofa over your head.

What is the Matrix mode? Are we talking receiver here or the player itself? The receiver is showing PCM. I only have a 5 channel setup and 2 subs (it is a 5 channel receiver) . I think it’s all hooked up correctly, I am utilizing only the banana plug accessible slots in the rear labeled center, front A, & surrounds. Should I be utilizing Front B?


Now I am questioning myself, I'm not at home to verify.... hmmm

[tilallr1]

Yeah ... thats a 5.1 receiver ... why is it lighting up 7.1. Are you sure its saying 7.1? Did you upgrade the wrong firmware?

This isn't even an HD receiver ... is it? Ok I just looked at the specs:


DTS Neo:6 , DTS decoder , Dolby Pro Logic II , Dolby Digital

Nope no DTS-MASTER and Dolby TrueHD.

Ok ... so I was a bit confused ... what you are now seeing on your blu-ray player is the newer HD audio codecs. Which are DTS-MASTER HD and Dolby TrueHD. Unfortunetly, you will need a new receiver to actually hear these codecs in full. But chances are you are listening to the down-sampled lossy version of them through PCM on your receiver. Which is still better than standard DTS and Dolby Digital. Which is probably why you have noticed the improvement. You will notice an even bigger improvement when you one day upgrade your receiver, to one that can play the 2 HD codecs and LPCM. Which is Loseless PCM.

Sorry for the confusion.

[langn08]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

Yeah ... thats a 5.1 receiver ... why is it lighting up 7.1. Are you sure its saying 7.1? Did you upgrade the wrong firmware?

This isn't even an HD receiver ... is it? Ok I just looked at the specs:


DTS Neo:6 , DTS decoder , Dolby Pro Logic II , Dolby Digital

Nope no DTS-MASTER and Dolby TrueHD.

Ok ... so I was a bit confused ... what you are now seeing on your blu-ray player is the newer HD audio codecs. Which are DTS-MASTER HD and Dolby TrueHD. Unfortunetly, you will need a new receiver to actually hear these codecs in full. But chances are you are listening to the down-sampled version of them through PCM on your receiver. Which is still better than standard DTS and Dolby Digital. Which is probably why you have noticed the improvement. You will notice an even bigger improvement when you one day upgrade your receiver.

My receiver does pull audio from the HDMI but does not decode (thus why I am having my player decode). I should still be getting lossless audio though if the player is decoding and I am running PCM at the receiver correct?

The 7.1 I am referring to is tough to explain, on my receiver it has little orange boxes to ident the speakers. The picture below shows it a bit more on the right hand side of the display. It has two more speakers pictured under the SL & SR orange boxes.

RX-V463

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by langn08

What is the Matrix mode? Are we talking receiver here or the player itself? The receiver is showing PCM. I only have a 5 channel setup and 2 subs (it is a 5 channel receiver) . I think it’s all hooked up correctly, I am utilizing only the banana plug accessible slots in the rear labeled center, front A, & surrounds. Should I be utilizing Front B?

Now I am questioning myself, I'm not at home to verify.... hmmm

It may be helpful to read A Guide to Home Theater Audio Codecs.

[langn08]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

It may be helpful to read A Guide to Home Theater Audio Codecs.

Thanks, Ill read through this more.

I guess I really am wondering why UP & Monsters inc sound so damn good and showing as 7 channels on my receiver.

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by langn08

My receiver does pull audio from the HDMI but does not decode (thus why I am having my player decode). I should still be getting lossless audio though if the player is decoding and I am running PCM at the receiver correct?

The 7.1 I am referring to is tough to explain, on my receiver it has little orange boxes to ident the speakers. The picture below shows it a bit more on the right hand side of the display. It has two more speakers pictured under the SL & SR orange boxes.

RX-V463

Without seeing the manual I assume the extra 2 channels you think are being displayed are actually just showing you have 6.1 up. Since even with a 6.1 setup there are still an extra 2 speakers. Just that both those speakers have the same sound coming out of them. I am assuming you can wire up your Front B speakers and use them for 6.1 rears. Check your manual I am sure it tells you about it somewhere. Have you wired up the Front B speakers? If not, it may not matter. Any Matrix mode then would try mixing your 2 surrounds with the rears. Read in the manual which settings Matrix your sound. But if you didn't have rears maybe more sound is coming out of the surrounds?

All I know is that your receiver definitely can do 6.1 but NOT 7.1. So what you are seeing is 6.1 coming on and if its a 5.1 audio track from the movie then you must have a setting enabled to matrix the sound out to the rears.

[langn08]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

Without seeing the manual I assume the extra 2 channels you think are being displayed are actually just showing you have 6.1 up. Since even with a 6.1 setup there are still an extra 2 speakers. Just that both those speakers have the same sound coming out of them. I am assuming you can wire up your Front B speakers and use them for 6.1 rears. Check your manual I am sure it tells you about it somewhere. Have you wired up the Front B speakers? If not, it may not matter. Any Matrix mode then would try mixing your 2 surrounds with the rears. Read in the manual which settings Matrix your sound. But if you didn't have rears maybe more sound is coming out of the surrounds?

All I know is that your receiver definitely can do 6.1 but NOT 7.1. So what you are seeing is 6.1 coming on and if its a 5.1 audio track from the movie then you must have a setting enabled to matrix the sound out to the rears.

Thanks for the info, I checked last night and when I hit Display on the S360 it shows DTS-HD Master 6.1 so I will have to try to mess around with the settings because this only has happend with Monsters Inc and UP (thus far) and I have tried MANY other DTS-HD master disks.

[tilallr1]

What I find most disturbing (after looking at your receiver manual) is that there are NO lights for speakers below your SL & SR. If you look at the Front Panel Display in your manual section 15 only shows:

.LFE.
L.C.R
SL.SR

Thats it. I am very confused where the new lights for the extra speakers are coming from. Weird. Also, nothing mentioning 6.1 either. Did you do some firmware upgrade on the receiver recently too?

[langn08]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

What I find most disturbing (after looking at your receiver manual) is that there are NO lights for speakers below your SL & SR. If you look at the Front Panel Display in your manual section 15 only shows:

.LFE.
L.C.R
SL.SR

Thats it. I am very confused where the new lights for the extra speakers are coming from. Weird. Also, nothing mentioning 6.1 either. Did you do some firmware upgrade on the receiver recently too?

actually no I did not... I took a picture but I do not know how to post it... I am so confused on this.

Just uploaded pics to a folder in my gallery

https://www.blu-ray.com/community/ga...&folderid=3203

[EvilGav]

Wierd.

Looking through the Yamaha site, your flouro panel on the receiver appears to be displaying the same as the RXV-663.

I can partly understand the reason for this - manufacturers tend to have a single fluoro display that they use across the range (for example, if you look closely at your display, you can see the SB light between and faintly illuminated by the SL and SR lights - this light is only applicable on the RXV563).

Which suggests that what you actually have is either :

1. A short/mis-wire on the fluoro display, causing the SL and SR lights to illuminate the additional ones below them.

2. Yamaha use the same main-board in their amplifiers and for some reason the one used in yours has some of the EPROM's flashed with the wrong (higher) version, causing it to display the additional lights.

In all honesty, i'm leaning towards 1, due to the fact that the disks mentioned aren't actually encoded 7.1.

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by langn08

actually no I did not... I took a picture but I do not know how to post it... I am so confused on this.

Just uploaded pics to a folder in my gallery

langn08's Home Theater Gallery - receiver issue (24 photos)

Extremely weird. I cannot explain it.

^ EvilGav explanation makes sense.

[langn08]

Originally Posted by EvilGav

Wierd.

Looking through the Yamaha site, your flouro panel on the receiver appears to be displaying the same as the RXV-663.

I can partly understand the reason for this - manufacturers tend to have a single fluoro display that they use across the range (for example, if you look closely at your display, you can see the SB light between and faintly illuminated by the SL and SR lights - this light is only applicable on the RXV563).

Which suggests that what you actually have is either :

1. A short/mis-wire on the fluoro display, causing the SL and SR lights to illuminate the additional ones below them.

2. Yamaha use the same main-board in their amplifiers and for some reason the one used in yours has some of the EPROM's flashed with the wrong (higher) version, causing it to display the additional lights.

In all honesty, i'm leaning towards 1, due to the fact that the disks mentioned aren't actually encoded 7.1.

That does make sense, but why would it only take place on these two disks? And it actually sounds much better so I am totally confused now

Originally Posted by tilallr1

Extremely weird. I cannot explain it.

^ EvilGav explanation makes sense.

I think it may be time to take my and put this receiver out of its misery office space style...

[Fors*]

Maybe it is possessed .......

That is one of the weirdest things I have seen. I have been lurking in this thread for the last couple of days and that has got to be up there.

[langn08]

Originally Posted by Fors*

Maybe it is possessed .......

That is one of the weirdest things I have seen. I have been lurking in this thread for the last couple of days and that has got to be up there.

lolol yea, I am going to throw in as many blu's as possible tonight and see if any other disks can give me the same results... Then I am planning on an exorcism