Would you prefer 300 with or without grain? - Blu-ray Forum

andytoh · 08-01-2007, 04:57 PM

Ok. Call this a dumb poll if you want. But I want to know what the majority thinks.

Yes, I voted "without grain." Having said that, I admit the movie was amazing, and the picture quality was also amazing. I just feel that I would have enjoyed the movie EVEN MORE if it didn't have grain. That's all.

Blu_J · 08-01-2007, 04:59 PM

I want the movie exactly as the director intended the movie to be. It is their creative artwork. It's a little like asking, "would you like us to change the Mona Lisa so she has a big white-toothed smile."

andytoh · 08-01-2007, 05:00 PM

I know, a lot of you guys will say, whatever the director intended is what I want to see. I'm hoping that you can forget that part. Pretend, YOU are the director. Do you think the movie is better with or without grain?

Blu J, your post beat mine by 1 second.

SamInNorthCakalakey · 08-01-2007, 05:02 PM

...but the reason I'm not buying it is because it's grainy and filtered. I prefer stuff like The Prestige or Superman, where you can see every detail. It's what HD was created for, no? I know it's the vision of the Director but I don't know, I feel kind of cheated when I can't see the hairs on the actors arms. And this movie is so washed out that I doubt I'll be able to do that.

Maybe I'll rent it and it'll change my mind.

scook · 08-01-2007, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andytoh

I know, a lot of you guys will say, whatever the director intended is what I want to see. I'm hoping that you can forget that part. Pretend, YOU are the director. Do you think the movie is better with or without grain?

Blu J, your post beat mine by 1 second.

How did you know what he wrote it you pressed submit 1 second after?

hmmm Richard, Thats a mystery!

-Cook

Blu_J · 08-01-2007, 05:07 PM

It was a creative decision. If I directed the movie I like to think I would have done something similar. It is made to look as if it was pulled straight from the graphic novel and put to screen. The director has so much respect and admiration for the source material, he wanted to change it as little as possible. I would imagine this coincides with the wishes of the novels creator, Frank Miller.

dialog_gvf · 08-01-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by andytoh

I know, a lot of you guys will say, whatever the director intended is what I want to see. I'm hoping that you can forget that part. Pretend, YOU are the director. Do you think the movie is better with or without grain?

That's a different issue. And, just because you disagree with the choice made by the director doesn't mean you should expect the studio to override that choice for the disc release.

Matching the vision on film as closely as possible is what the studio should do. Campaign to the DIRECTOR to revisit the styling and release an updated version with a different vision, not the studio.

It's like happy-ending Brazil. Or extended Dune. It doesn't matter which is or isn't better. It's the principle that the director has the right to control the vision.

You want a full-screen version: Ask the director for a full-screen director's cut.
You want a non-grainy version: Ask the director for a version without grain

The basic demand is always that the STUDIO should override the director's choices. And that I will never accept.

Gary

Xerious · 08-01-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

That's a different issue. And, just because you disagree with the choice made by the director doesn't mean you should expect the studio to override that choice for the disc release.

Matching the vision on film as closely as possible is what the studio should do. Campaign to the DIRECTOR to revisit the styling and release an updated version with a different vision, not the studio.

It's like happy-ending Brazil. Or extended Dune. It doesn't matter which is or isn't better. It's the principle that the director has the right to control the vision.

You want a full-screen version: Ask the director for a full-screen director's cut.
You want a non-grainy version: As the director for a version without grain

Gary

people like this are akin to those star wars fanatics that thought the digitally enhanced version of their beloved movies were a sin even after the fact that lucas said the enhanced version is more to his vision. go watch the SD version if you don't like the grain... i'll enjoy mine the way the directors envisioned it.

The Big Blue · 08-01-2007, 05:20 PM

I think my head is going to explode.

dialog_gvf · 08-01-2007, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xerious

people like this are akin to those star wars fanatics that thought the digitally enhanced version of their beloved movies were a sin even after the fact that lucas said the enhanced version is more to his vision. go watch the SD version if you don't like the grain... i'll enjoy mine the way the directors envisioned it.

Well, I will say that in the case there are revisits by the director, he/she should respect those that found the original so enjoying and always try to push for inclusion of both/all visions.

But, I would never insist the studio add the alternatives to the offering without his/her approval.

Xerious · 08-01-2007, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andytoh

I know, a lot of you guys will say, whatever the director intended is what I want to see. I'm hoping that you can forget that part. Pretend, YOU are the director. Do you think the movie is better with or without grain?

Blu J, your post beat mine by 1 second.

i don't enjoy making movies... i enjoy watching them WITH our WITHOUT grain, who gives a flying spider-pig? enjoy them movie, quit being such a geek and just watch the damn thing!

BadAss · 08-01-2007, 05:29 PM

I voted without grain. Anyone who's seen SinCity is HD will pobably agree that this sort of style can look even more amazing without it.

Gamma_Winstead · 08-01-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Xerious

who gives a flying spider-pig?

. i like that response... anyways i like it WITH GRAIN

!

scook · 08-01-2007, 05:29 PM

For some reason my last thread was removed and I thought it was pretty humerous, any idea why this would happen?

-Cook

SamInNorthCakalakey · 08-01-2007, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scook

How did you know what he wrote it you pressed submit 1 second after?

hmmm Richard, Thats a mystery!

-Cook

Think he edited his post afterward.

Blu Tiger · 08-01-2007, 05:34 PM

Definitely without grain. It is distracting.

andytoh · 08-01-2007, 05:38 PM

Hey, 15 to 7 so far. Not as bad as I thought.

DavePS3 · 08-01-2007, 05:45 PM

I bought it this morning... I'll watch it Friday night but I would imagine that the CG backgrounds in both this and Sin City might not have worked quite as well without the tinted effects in Sin and the grain in 300. At the very least, these added 'effects' add to the telling of the story. No, I didn't like the original bluish tint in Payback or the muted look to O Brother Where Art Thou but once I watched each again, I grew to like the embellishments like those in a good story from a master writer. It's all about style and while I love an incredible picture from something like the exterior scenes to the badly voice-acted Teribithia or Crank, Hellboy etc... I still like to see how a director brings his version of a certain story to life and if that means grain or a lack of gray tones like the animated Renaissance, so be it. It's all about the journey for me. I want to see where the story teller takes me and HOW he gets me there.

It IS an art form and I think we have to remember that. Not every painter WANTS to paint like Picasso and that's a good thing.

supersix4 · 08-01-2007, 05:48 PM

it was ment to be like that Im gonna trust the people who actually make movies when it comes to whats right... can we please get over this

Blu_J · 08-01-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DavePS3

It IS an art form and I think we have to remember that. Not every painter WANTS to paint like Picasso and that's a good thing.

Couldn't agree more...

View Poll Results: Would you prefer 300 with or without grain?
With grain	127	68.65%
Without grain	58	31.35%
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08-01-2007, 04:57 PM	#1
andytoh Member Member since:Jun 2007	Would you prefer 300 with or without grain? Ok. Call this a dumb poll if you want. But I want to know what the majority thinks. Yes, I voted "without grain." Having said that, I admit the movie was amazing, and the picture quality was also amazing. I just feel that I would have enjoyed the movie EVEN MORE if it didn't have grain. That's all.

08-01-2007, 05:02 PM	#4
SamInNorthCakalakey Active Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Raleigh/Durham, NC area Blu-ray reviews:19	I know I'm in the minority on this... ...but the reason I'm not buying it is because it's grainy and filtered. I prefer stuff like The Prestige or Superman, where you can see every detail. It's what HD was created for, no? I know it's the vision of the Director but I don't know, I feel kind of cheated when I can't see the hairs on the actors arms. And this movie is so washed out that I doubt I'll be able to do that. Maybe I'll rent it and it'll change my mind.

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08-01-2007, 04:59 PM	#2
Blu_J Active Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:SoCal	I want the movie exactly as the director intended the movie to be. It is their creative artwork. It's a little like asking, "would you like us to change the Mona Lisa so she has a big white-toothed smile."

08-01-2007, 05:00 PM	#3
andytoh Member Member since:Jun 2007	I know, a lot of you guys will say, whatever the director intended is what I want to see. I'm hoping that you can forget that part. Pretend, YOU are the director. Do you think the movie is better with or without grain? Blu J, your post beat mine by 1 second.

08-01-2007, 05:07 PM	#6
Blu_J Active Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:SoCal	It was a creative decision. If I directed the movie I like to think I would have done something similar. It is made to look as if it was pulled straight from the graphic novel and put to screen. The director has so much respect and admiration for the source material, he wanted to change it as little as possible. I would imagine this coincides with the wishes of the novels creator, Frank Miller.

08-01-2007, 05:20 PM	#9
The Big Blue Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2007 Blu-ray collection:98 Blu-ray reviews:1	I think my head is going to explode.

08-01-2007, 05:29 PM	#12
BadAss Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:England 4K collection:63 Blu-ray collection:63	I voted without grain. Anyone who's seen SinCity is HD will pobably agree that this sort of style can look even more amazing without it.

08-01-2007, 05:29 PM	#14
scook Senior Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Home Theater Gallery:14 Blu-ray collection:171	For some reason my last thread was removed and I thought it was pretty humerous, any idea why this would happen? -Cook

08-01-2007, 05:34 PM	#16
Blu Tiger Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Denver, CO Blu-ray collection:725 Trading Score:27	Definitely without grain. It is distracting.

08-01-2007, 05:38 PM	#17
andytoh Member Member since:Jun 2007	Hey, 15 to 7 so far. Not as bad as I thought.

08-01-2007, 05:45 PM	#18
DavePS3 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Toronto Home Theater Gallery:56 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	I bought it this morning... I'll watch it Friday night but I would imagine that the CG backgrounds in both this and Sin City might not have worked quite as well without the tinted effects in Sin and the grain in 300. At the very least, these added 'effects' add to the telling of the story. No, I didn't like the original bluish tint in Payback or the muted look to O Brother Where Art Thou but once I watched each again, I grew to like the embellishments like those in a good story from a master writer. It's all about style and while I love an incredible picture from something like the exterior scenes to the badly voice-acted Teribithia or Crank, Hellboy etc... I still like to see how a director brings his version of a certain story to life and if that means grain or a lack of gray tones like the animated Renaissance, so be it. It's all about the journey for me. I want to see where the story teller takes me and HOW he gets me there. It IS an art form and I think we have to remember that. Not every painter WANTS to paint like Picasso and that's a good thing.

08-01-2007, 05:48 PM	#19
supersix4 Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:572 Blu-ray reviews: 53 Trading Score:3	it was ment to be like that Im gonna trust the people who actually make movies when it comes to whats right... can we please get over this

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