Emotiva Subs now for sale!

[xtreme02gt]

I did a search and found nothing, so I am posting this up.

I got a e-mail today from Emotiva telling me that the new subs are for sale!

ULTRA-10 is $399 on sale for $349

ULTRA-12 is $599 on sale for $499

Has anyone bought one?

I have 2 of thier amps, and have been really happy with them. I really don't know about the speakers though.

[HD Man]

Here is a pic and specs:

The new Ultra Sub 10 and Ultra Sub 12 powered subwoofers are designed to bring out the best in your home theater and two channel music systems. Deep, powerful, and accurate, the Ultra Sub 10 and Ultra Sub 12 deliver authoritative low frequency performance while maintaining musical accuracy and detail. We’ve engineered all new high performance drive units with a die cast aluminum frames for enhanced power handling and absolute structural integrity. Our new high efficiency power amplifiers coupled with our sophisticated dynamics processing circuitry redefine performance expectations at these price points.

Like all Emotiva products, construction quality is excellent, with highest quality materials and finishes used throughout. Their compact cabinet size and affordability make the Ultra Sub 10 and the Ultra Sub 12 an ideal choice for systems employing multiple subwoofers. For smaller rooms and perfect integration with bookshelf style speakers, we highly recommend the Ultra Sub 10. For use in larger rooms, or for systems where maximum low frequency extension and output is critical, the Ultra Sub 12 is the perfect choice.





• High efficiency Class D power amplifiers with exceptional dynamic headroom

• Die cast woofer frames with massive magnetic motor assemblies

• Long throw, high BL woofer design with woven tinsel leads for high reliability

• Proprietary para-aramid fiber blended cones for accurate low frequency response and minimal breakup

• Heavy-duty, Butyl rubber half roll surrounds

• Sealed, front firing cabinets with extensive cross bracing and internal damping

• Excellent transient response and smooth, extended low end

• Sophisticated dynamics processing for optimal system performance

• Elegant soft limiting

• XLR/balanced and RCA/ unbalanced input connections

• Rotary controls for Crossover Frequency, Volume, and Phase

• Interchangeable aluminum spikes or non-marring rubber feet

• Compact, manageable cabinet size

• Switchable auto-turn on circuitry with status LED’s

• Removable grills

• Black Ash finish



Power Output:
U Sub 10‐ 300 watts
U Sub 12 ‐500 watts

Typical In‐Room Frequency Response:
USub10: 25Hz‐200Hz
Usub12: 22Hz‐200Hz

Typical In‐Room SPL:
U Sub10: 107‐110db
U Sub12: 110‐113db

Nominal input sensitivity:
Balanced Input: 1V
Unbalanced Input: 500 mv.

Phase Adjustment: 0 - 180 degrees @50Hz

Low pass Crossover: 50-150Hz variable, 24db per octave

Dimensions:
U Sub 10: 12.5” wide x 12.5” high x 13.5” deep
U Sub 12: 14.5” wide x 14.5” high x 15.25” deep

Weight:
U Sub 10: 30.5 lbs.
U Sub 12: 38 lbs.

[jlafrenz]

I heard some prototypes of their subs last fall. They sounded pretty good. I think they might have been the ones for the next series up though.

[bigred7078]

Originally Posted by jlafrenz

I heard some prototypes of their subs last fall. They sounded pretty good. I think they might have been the ones for the next series up though.

nope. those were the Ultras we heard.

[Yeha-Noha]

I think Emo makes superb kick arse multi-amps at affordale prices. I use separate amps in my system and would buy Emo if I ever need to replace them.

However, I am not so sure about their speakers, especially Emo subs. I haven't heard them though. Their specs don't seem to be very remarkable considering that I could get an eD sub for the same price that can go lower, 18 Hz compared to 22 Hz which is indeed a very sub stantial difference. Also, the eD will likely have less distortion at louder listening levels.

Until more reviews become available, I suggest that you choose wisely. Go with eD, or SVS, which are proven performers.

[bigred7078]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

However, I am not so sure about their speakers, especially Emo subs. I haven't heard them though. Their specs don't seem to be very remarkable considering that I could get an eD sub for the same price that can go lower, 18 Hz compared to 22 Hz which is indeed a very sub stantial difference. Also, the eD will likely have less distortion at louder listening levels.

Until more reviews become available, I suggest that you choose wisely. Go with eD, or SVS, which are proven performers.

Specs dont always tell the entire story...especially with subs. And no the difference between 18hz and 22hz is not substantial....Saying the eD will likely have less distortion at louder listening levels is just you guessing...the Spec's have not been published so there is no way for you to even know.

These new subs are not going to be/not supposed to be db monsters... They are sealed subs designed to compliment their current speakers and their upcoming entry level speakers. They will be releasing a higher end sub series here eventually that look very nice (but they have also been in the making for like 2 years lol)

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by bigred7078

Specs dont always tell the entire story...especially with subs. And no the difference between 18hz and 22hz is not substantial....Saying the eD will likely have less distortion at louder listening levels is just you guessing...the Spec's have not been published so there is no way for you to even know.

These new subs are not going to be/not supposed to be db monsters... They are sealed subs designed to compliment their current speakers and their upcoming entry level speakers. They will be releasing a higher end sub series here eventually that look very nice (but they have also been in the making for like 2 years lol)

You can bet the higher end subs will have no problem with power.....they specialize in it! If they can develop a good cabinet, with a solid design and materials, I see no reason why their high end subs wouldn't perform incredibly well. I assume the high end subs will be powered and ported, or is that not known yet bigred?

[bigred7078]

Originally Posted by Fors*

You can bet the higher end subs will have no problem with power.....they specialize in it! If they can develop a good cabinet, with a solid design and materials, I see no reason why their high end subs wouldn't perform incredibly well. I assume the high end subs will be powered and ported, or is that not known yet bigred?

Actually the ERS-212 as it was originally called in development will be dual sealed 12" subs with an external amplifier capable of over 1500 watts easily. Design may have changed, but that was the last word. They also would have in the an advanced sub EQ system that will be in the external sub amp. Original planned price was $999, but i'm sure this will be closer to $1299-$1499

There are also plans for the ERS-112. A single 12" with an internal 1000+ watt amp. It will also have built in room EQ. Original planned price was $799, but im sure this will be closer to $999 now.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by bigred7078

Actually the ERS-212 as it was originally called in development will be dual sealed 12" subs with an external amplifier capable of over 1500 watts easily. Design may have changed, but that was the last word. They also would have in the an advanced sub EQ system that will be in the external sub amp. Original planned price was $999, but i'm sure this will be closer to $1299-$1499

There are also plans for the ERS-112. A single 12" with an internal 1000+ watt amp. It will also have built in room EQ. Original planned price was $799, but im sure this will be closer to $999 now.

I would be very interested in these subs when the time comes. I love the idea of the internal EQ. But they have no plans on any ported subs at all?

[bigred7078]

Originally Posted by Fors*

I would be very interested in these subs when the time comes. I love the idea of the internal EQ. But they have no plans on any ported subs at all?

nope, none that I have heard.

[jlafrenz]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

I think Emo makes superb kick arse multi-amps at affordale prices. I use separate amps in my system and would buy Emo if I ever need to replace them.

However, I am not so sure about their speakers, especially Emo subs. I haven't heard them though. Their specs don't seem to be very remarkable considering that I could get an eD sub for the same price that can go lower, 18 Hz compared to 22 Hz which is indeed a very sub stantial difference. Also, the eD will likely have less distortion at louder listening levels.

Until more reviews become available, I suggest that you choose wisely. Go with eD, or SVS, which are proven performers.

There are different ways to test speakers/subwoofers which will impact the results reported. This should give you a bit more insight.

http://www.audioholics.com/education...r-measurements

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by bigred7078

Specs dont always tell the entire story...especially with subs. And no the difference between 18hz and 22hz is not substantial....Saying the eD will likely have less distortion at louder listening levels is just you guessing...the Spec's have not been published so there is no way for you to even know.

These new subs are not going to be/not supposed to be db monsters... They are sealed subs designed to compliment their current speakers and their upcoming entry level speakers. They will be releasing a higher end sub series here eventually that look very nice (but they have also been in the making for like 2 years lol)

You are mistaken. The difference between 18 Hz and 22 Hz is significant for listening to action movies. If OTOH you are talking about music, then yes I would perhaps agree. These subs may well prove to be good performers for those liking music. But I still stand behind what I say, I would get the eD sub. It is a proven performer and lives up to its specs.

[jaeelarr]

What if the eD sub takes 6 weeks to get to you, and the Emo one takes a week...is that a deciding factor? What about size constraints?

Also, the Emo is a sealed desing compared to a ported design by eD.

BTW - The human ear can only pick up audible sound down to a certain level, and 18Hz is pushing it. To say there is a "substantial" difference between 18Hz and 22Hz is putting too much on it.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

You are mistaken. The difference between 18 Hz and 22 Hz is significant for listening to action movies. If OTOH you are talking about music, then yes I would perhaps agree. These subs may well prove to be good performers for those liking music. But I still stand behind what I say, I would get the eD sub. It is a proven performer and lives up to its specs.

Proven in blown amps?

Just take a look at the eD thread these days.

[bigred7078]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

You are mistaken. The difference between 18 Hz and 22 Hz is significant for listening to action movies. If OTOH you are talking about music, then yes I would perhaps agree. These subs may well prove to be good performers for those liking music. But I still stand behind what I say, I would get the eD sub. It is a proven performer and lives up to its specs.

Sorry but you don't Fully understand what you are talking about...

There is NOT a Substantial difference...

It is such an open ended statement. At what db level down is the sub at 18hz????? There is just so much more to it than a statement like 18hz is substantially better than 22hz. That will vary GREATLY from sub to sub. If you are talking the difference on your sub at home, just use a simple test tone disc and you will see there is just not that much difference.

Now if sub A can put out 115 db's at 18hz and sub B can only put out 85 db's at 18hz than THAT would be a substantial difference. Your statement is just to flawed to provide an sort of validity since the specs on the Emotivas output have not been released and you have not heard it....

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by bigred7078

Sorry but you don't Fully understand what you are talking about...

There is NOT a Substantial difference...

It is such an open ended statement. At what db level down is the sub at 18hz????? There is just so much more to it than a statement like 18hz is substantially better than 22hz. That will vary GREATLY from sub to sub. If you are talking the difference on your sub at home, just use a simple test tone disc and you will see there is just not that much difference.

You're wrong again or you don't understand what I am talking about. I have posted my results in the PA 120 owner's thread awhile back when I got my subs. I have used subwoofer sweep tests and a spl meter along with my ears. My PA 120s are spec'd to go down to 24 Hz. I wanted to find out how low they actually would go. I set my AVR volume to reference level (Yam RX-V663) the level which I calibrated my HT speakers including my subs. The subwoofers are set +3 db hotter than reference. Although I couldn't get a reading off my SPL meter when the sweep tone was on 18 Hz (it starts at 15 Hz and goes up to 300 Hz), I definitely felt the pressure waves hitting my chest and gut at 18 Hz but not at 15 Hz. It was absolutely vibrating inside my chest and stomach. At 20 hz, I got a reading on my SPL meter which was both both audible and felt but not felt as heavy as it was during the 18 Hz sweep tone. It too vibrated my whole house but not quite as much as the 18 Hz did. Thus, there is a substantial difference just after a 2 Hz up ward sweep. The sweep tone at 24 Hz was slightly louder than at 20 Hz and there I can agree with you that it wasn't as substantial.

Perhaps hearing wise there isn't a substantial difference, Ok? We're in agreement perhaps. But I can feel the difference in the 18 Hz vs 20 Hz sweep tone, I know there is a substantial difference. I wish I had the instrumental setup that could measure the vibrations I felt in my chest and stomach to show that difference, but I don't have that kind of equipment.

However, I am convinced there is a difference and no one can tell me that there isn't any.

[jlafrenz]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

I think Emo makes superb kick arse multi-amps at affordale prices. I use separate amps in my system and would buy Emo if I ever need to replace them.

However, I am not so sure about their speakers, especially Emo subs. I haven't heard them though. Their specs don't seem to be very remarkable considering that I could get an eD sub for the same price that can go lower, 18 Hz compared to 22 Hz which is indeed a very sub stantial difference. Also, the eD will likely have less distortion at louder listening levels.

Until more reviews become available, I suggest that you choose wisely. Go with eD, or SVS, which are proven performers.

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

You're wrong again or you don't understand what I am talking about. I have posted my results in the PA 120 owner's thread awhile back when I got my subs. I have used subwoofer sweep tests and a spl meter along with my ears. My PA 120s are spec'd to go down to 24 Hz. I wanted to find out how low they actually would go. I set my AVR volume to reference level (Yam RX-V663) the level which I calibrated my HT speakers including my subs. The subwoofers are set +3 db hotter than reference. Although I couldn't get a reading off my SPL meter when the sweep tone was on 18 Hz (it starts at 15 Hz and goes up to 300 Hz), I definitely felt the pressure waves hitting my chest and gut at 18 Hz but not at 15 Hz. It was absolutely vibrating inside my chest and stomach. At 20 hz, I got a reading on my SPL meter which was both both audible and felt but not felt as heavy as it was during the 18 Hz sweep tone. It too vibrated my whole house but not quite as much as the 18 Hz did. Thus, there is a substantial difference just after a 2 Hz up ward sweep. The sweep tone at 24 Hz was slightly louder than at 20 Hz and there I can agree with you that it wasn't as substantial.

Perhaps hearing wise there isn't a substantial difference, Ok? We're in agreement perhaps. But I can feel the difference in the 18 Hz vs 20 Hz sweep tone, I know there is a substantial difference. I wish I had the instrumental setup that could measure the vibrations I felt in my chest and stomach to show that difference, but I don't have that kind of equipment.

However, I am convinced there is a difference and no one can tell me that there isn't any.

So you basically negated your first post then because you just proved to yourself that specs don't tell you everything. Subs can potentially play lower than what they are rated. Therefore comparing the Emo subs and eD subs specs doesn't really mean much.

[Driver_King]

A2-300 at 18hz:


There is a big difference between 22hz and 18hz. As the frequencies go lower down the spectrum, the differences can be very substantial. I can easily get down to 10hz at over 100dB in room, with extension down to around 8hz before roll off. It is hard to explain the differences between frequencies in that range. 22hz is miles different from say 12hz. With the SPL levels my subs are capable of, you can hear down to about 17hz and then you start to feel the room shaking around you and your clothes shaking as well.

Originally Posted by bigred7078

Sorry but you don't Fully understand what you are talking about...

There is NOT a Substantial difference...

It is such an open ended statement. At what db level down is the sub at 18hz????? There is just so much more to it than a statement like 18hz is substantially better than 22hz. That will vary GREATLY from sub to sub. If you are talking the difference on your sub at home, just use a simple test tone disc and you will see there is just not that much difference.

Now if sub A can put out 115 db's at 18hz and sub B can only put out 85 db's at 18hz than THAT would be a substantial difference. Your statement is just to flawed to provide an sort of validity since the specs on the Emotivas output have not been released and you have not heard it....

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by jlafrenz

So you basically negated your first post then because you just proved to yourself that specs don't tell you everything. Subs can potentially play lower than what they are rated. Therefore comparing the Emo subs and eD subs specs doesn't really mean much.

That wasn't the point of my post though. My point was, until Emo subs have more reviews showing their performance, my suggestion was to go with a sub that has been shown to be a good performer. I was using the specs of the eD sub as an example of one that lives up to its specifications and that you can be sure that you will be getting performance below 20 Hz even down to 18 Hz.

I never stated that specs can tell how well a sub performs. However, I said it once, and I say again, the 22 Hz rating of the Emo for the price isn't impressive. It really isn't. That doesn't mean it can't go substantially below that. I was just recommending a sub that is known to have such performance. If I were looking for a sub right now and I wanted to choose between the Emo and eD, I'd get the eD. For all I know, the Emo will just go down to 22 Hz until someone demonstrates that it does otherwise.

Then someone was saying that there isn't much difference between 20 Hz and 18 Hz heard on a good sub that can put out low bass at high spls near reference level. I dispute that and showed it to be wrong. It just so happened that my subs do surpass their spec'd rating. I was using my own experience as an example not to show that subs can go below their spec'd rating, but to show to him that there is a substantial difference between what you hear or feel at 20 Hz compared to 18 Hz.

Sure, I demonstrated that my subs go below it's 24 Hz rating. That doesn't mean that the Emo sub will go below 22 Hz. I hope it does. But I don't know what it can do. I can only recommend what I know. My suggestion to the OP was to buy a proven performer. Get the eD because it really does get down to 18 Hz at spls that will shake the foundation of you home. In fact, I could just as well recommend the PA 120s since they do go below their spec'd rating too, but I don't think they perform as well as the eD subs. He'd some money if he did. I am extremely pleased with their performance. So that brings us back to square one. Get one that you know is going to perform. Sure he can take a chance an buy the Emo. Someone needs to start buying them so we can get some feedback on their performance.

[kingofgrills]

I'd be interested in seeing reviews of the new Emo subs, but on paper I like the fact they went with a sealed design for improved accuracy.

Sealed designs tend to offer better bass detail, more accurate transient response, and smoother roll off than ported designs on the lower end. Ported bass reflex designs can output more information below 20 Hz, but they may lose some definition to the output. Then again, output around 20 Hz and below is felt instead of heard anyway, so that can be fine for dedicated HT use.